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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 08:38 CST 108:44 GET CMl/1 



CAP COM 
CAP COM 
CAP COM 
AME RI CA 

b el i eve it . 

CAP COM 

n ew s ui t of 



Hello America, Houston. Standing by. 
America, Houston. Standing by. 
America, America, Houston. Standing by. 
Hey, Houston, America. Man, you wouldn 1 
I finally got my suit on. 

Nothing to make you feel good like a 

clo thes . 



AMERICA 

here . 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 
could find some 
25. Star angle 
.0 76 minus . 102 

CAP COM 

CAP COM 
with time right 
you are? 

AME RI CA 
I'm at 108: 10 . 
check and see if 



Okay, let me give you some P52 stuff 



Okay, 
I had 



shoot . 
to arc 



stars. Okay, let's see, here's 



all 



ove r 



the 



sky before I 
star 14 and 
.065 minus 



difference was .01 NOUN 93 plus 
and I torqued at 108:20:00. 
Okay, copy. 

America, are you pretty well caught up 
now or can you give me some indication where 



m 



checking it off here, 



I haven't changed the canister 
I can have time to do that or 
n ow ? 



Right now 
yet. Let me 
not. Okay, 



AM-V0X. Can you hear me 

CAPCOM Sure, loud and clear. 

AMERICA Okay, I've removed the umbilicals - the 

LM umbilicals. Guess I need to install the probe and 
I'll get those things done right now. 

All right. I'll make a note of the 
remind you of it later, 
Yeah, Okay. 

Hey, America. Can you confirm that 



CSM 

the drogue. 
CAP COM 

canister and 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 



you ve got a 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
either. 

CAPCOM 
AME RI CA 
CAPCOM 
banging around 
reminded us of 
AMERICA 
AMERICA 
I'm simplex off 
right . Punch B 



pair of sissors on board with you; 



(laughter) Yeah, I made him keep one. 
Okay, that's good thinking. 
They couldn't ever find the other set, 

Okay, get hungry without those, 
(laughter) It sure does. (laughter). 
We could hear your probe and drogue 
there. It sounds like the kitchen is what 
it . 



Oh, Okay. 
Okay, let's 
and VHF right. 
Okay, Jack, I 



check 
We ' re 
don 1 t 



out the VHF now. Okay : 
B. Okay. Antenna 
re ad you, yet . 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 08:38 CST 108:44 GET CM1/2 



AMERICA 
AMERICA 
CHALLENGER 



Okay, I' 
I don't 
I don't 



m sitting on simplex Bravo, 
re ad you y et . 
read you at all. 



me 



AMERI CA 
AMERICA 
AMERICA 
CHALLENGER 
AMERICA 
CHALLENGER 
CHALLENGER 
AUTO panel. Let 



I 

I'm down to 
go ahead. 



Okay , 
Okay , 
Yeah , 
I'm talking on B 
I don ' t re ad you 
No, I don ' t re ad 



don't read you at all 



Do you read 
Jack. 



si ml ex Bravo. 

now. How do you read? 
at all either, Jack, 
you. 

in my 
Yep, 



I' m 



Okay, I've got everything on 
me try the other one for backup 
on left. I'm on what? Let me go to backup. 

You did all right here, yet. 
Stand by. Stay where you are. 
Okay . 

Hey, I finally got you. 

Okay. You were kind of clipping there 
got the last part of your transmission. 

Okay, I heard it - I just missed - I 
It was just warming up but I got you loud 



AMERICA 
CHALLENGER 
AME RI CA 
CHALLENGER 
AMERICA 

little bit. I 
AMERICA 

j us t mi s s ed it 

and clear. 



for a 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 9:48 CST 108:56 GET CM-2/1 



still 



little 



re 



AMERICA 
of clipping there 

AMERICA 
the gist - it was 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 
Ye ah , you're 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 
your mikes a 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 

AMERI CA 
I still - you 

AMERICA 

AMERI CA 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 
through the tunnel 

AMERICA 
Gene , can you 

AMERICA 

you. 

AMERICA 
capture latches 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 
stalled now. 

AMERICA 



Hey, I finally got you. Okay, you were kind 
I got the last part of your transmission. 
Okay, I heard the - he was just - I missed 
just warming up, but I got the loud and clear. 
Okay, I read you loud and clear, that's VHF B 
Yeah, I didn't hear you at all that time, 
clipping. All I got was now. 
Okay, how do you read now, I got that, 
(laughter) then I missed that part of it. 
Okay, loud and clear, Gene. 

No, you're still clipping Jack, can you move 
bit closer or something. 
No, I didn't read you at 
Loud and clear. 
No, you're going to have 
still clipping yourself out 
No, I didn't read you th 
Okay, switching to Alpha. 

is OFF,- simplex Alpha is ON. 
read you. 
read you. 

I don't read you guys at all, except 



all that time, 



to yell 
Jack . 
t time. 



or something, 
Okay . 



B ravo 
Don ' t 
Don ' t 
Okay , 



Okay, 
verify the 



got you loud and clear that time 
capture latches are all engaged? 



And 



I didn't read you at all, Jack. Didn't read 
Okay, I got you that time, and check the 



Okay 
Yeah , 
Okay , 



I ' 

I 



m up in the tunnel, 
read you, go ahead. 



but go ahead 



( laughte r) 

Okay, I'm getting the probe umbilicals in- 
Okay, Gene can you look at the capture latches? 



I' ve 



got it preloaded here now 



AMERICA 

AMERICA 

AME RI CA 

AMERICA 
it's locked in 

AMERICA 
hatch in a little 



preload the (garble), it's preloaded. 



Okay, 
Okay . 

What do you mean, probe locked? 
Yeah, it was locked. Oh the drogue, 
there . 

Okay I can do 
bit later. Min 



yeah yeah 



that now, put the 
deadband ATT hold 



tunne 1 
okay , 



in , the 

I got that 



right now. Wait a minute 
AMERICA Okay, 
AMERICA Okay, 



I don t have SCS, let me give you SCS, 



Gene , 
th e re 



you ve 
we go, 



got min deadband ATT hold now 
plus 356 - 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 9:59 CST 109:06 GET CM- 3/1 



AMERICA 

hold. 

AMERICA 
106 . 34 and a 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
they ' d like t o 
coarse align. 



Okay, Gene, you've got min deadband ATT 

Okay, there we go, a plus 356.95 plus 
plus 001.49. Right. 

America, Houston. 
Houston, America. Go ahead. 
In order to get a better drift check, 
tweak up the attitudes before they do that 
So how about doing a VERB 49 and tweak back 



to the original undocking 
AMERICA Okay, 
AMERICA Okay, 



attitude . 
that's the what , 



0 105 and 0? 
stand by, Gene, we'll get back 



here 



got 



AME RI CA 
AME RI CA 
corre ct? 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
off attit ude , 
CAP COM 



Okay . 
Okay , 



Houston, America, it's 0 105 and 



Yes , sir. 

That's interesting, 



I don't know how it 



I was going to ask you the same thing 



You might have knocked a stick or something while there was 
some slamming around down 



AME RI CA 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 
Hold 0 105 and 0. 

AME RI CA 
359.55. Okay? 

AMERICA 
docking latches. 
1 an d 7 . 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 
temp if I put the 

AMERICA 



Mayb e 
Yeah . 
Ok ay , 



there 
I hit 



Could you - 
the stick or something here 



Gene, we're at min deadband ATT 



releases 
an d -' *- ' 



Okay, VERB 6 NOUN 20: 000.32 104.40 

Okay, Houston, I forgot to release the 
Okay. I forgot to release docking latches 

Okay . 

And if I just put the - no, I'll do that. 
I was going to say you could read the probe 
circuit breakers in. 

Okay, there's number 1 (garble). Two 
free. Seven. One release, two releases 



and it' 
it's free. 

AMERICA Okay, docking probe circuit breakers, 

two of them are going close. Main A, Main B. Probe Extend/ 
Release. Retract, aha, two barberpoles. Okay, the docking 
probe circuit breakers are going open. Okay, extend/releases, 
and they went grey, of course, when they went open. Okay, extend 
releases to off. Verify probe extend latch engage indicators 
not visible. Well, I'll go back, it wasn't a while ago, but I'll 
go look again. The extend with the circuit breakers in. Ah, 



mighty fine, and it 
still engaged. 



still back inside there 



Extend latches 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 9:59 CST 109:06 GET CM- 



AMERICA Okay, stand by, go ahead. 

AMERICA Okay, 000.44 104.63 359.69. 

CAPCOM America, Houston, In order to get on 

and stay on timeline I'll remind you about the Lithium 
after PDI and we can let that one go. And if you'd like to 
let the camera business slide until after your sut check and 
we can get those things, I'll come back and remind you of 
those too. 

AMERICA Okay, I've got the cameras all set. I 

got them out, anyhow. I don't have the right values on 
the lenses yet, but you know how the cameras are out when 
they 're loade d . 

CAP COM Okay. 

AMERICA I've got mag Oboe Oboe on the Hasselblad. 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 10:08 CST 109:15 GET CM-4/1 



CAPCOM America, Houston, in order to get on and 

stay on the timeline, I'll remind you about Lithium cannister 
after PDI, we can let that one go, and if you'd like to let 
the camera business slide until after your suit check, we'll 
get those things, I'll come back and remind you of those too. 

AMERICA Okay, I've got the cameras all set, I got 

them out anyhow, I don't have the - the right values on the 
lenses yet, but anyhow the cameras are out and they're loaded. 

CAPCOM Okay. 

AMERICA I got mag 00 on the Hasselblad. 

AMERICA Okay, Houston, why don't I go ahead and 

get the PGA bear out of the way, and then we can get some 
of the data, or would you rather get the data first? 

CAPCOM Oh, it's your choice, why don't we go anead 

and get the PGA and I'll just sit on these PAD's and could you 
tell me if you ever got around to playing with the squelch on 
the VHF? 

AMERICA Man, I did and let's see we're at squelch A 

now. Either I got it all the way down to 1 or I still don't 
hear them. 



CAP COM 


Okay. You did get a satisfactory check on 


your side didn't 


you? 


AMERICA 


Oh yeah . 


CAPCOM 


Okay . 


AMERICA 


I got a satisfactory - every once in a whi 


I can hear them 


now, they're cutting in and out somewhere, I 


don't know where 




CAP COM 


All righty. 


AMERICA 


Okay, squelch A is set at about 4. 


CAPCOM 


And America, we'll give you a state vector 


if you give us ACCEPT. 


AMERICA 


Okay, you have it. 


CAP COM 


Ro ge r . 


AMERICA 


Houston, America how much time to AOS yet, 


er - ah , LOS? 




CAPCOM 


Oh about 29 minutes. 


AMERICA 


Oh okay. Got enough time for the PGA bear 


again I gues s . 


And it's your computer anytime you want to 


CAPCOM 


get those Ron. 




AMERICA 


Okay. 


AMERICA 


Ah ha, I got the old helmet and gloves on. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 CST 10:18 GET 109:24 CM5 / 1 



AMERICA 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 
(garble) I guess. 

CAP COM 
to get to it, Ron 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 
I know what to 

CAP COM 
run the same 

AMERICA 



Okay, how 
Oh, about 
Oh, okay. 



much time to 
2 9 minute s . 
Got a little 



AOS yet - or LOS? 
time for the PGA 



And it's your computer any time you want 



Okay . 

Ahah, I got the old helmet and gloves on. 
More cables all over the place here than 
do with . 

That place looks like a pig pen, you've 
course every one else has I guess. 

(laughter) I've got cables and hoses - 



of a buck, I hit the stick again, now I've got to unlock 



Son 

it. Okay, you want me to move her back to attitude, Chief? 
We're off of attitude just a little bit. I'm in deadband, 
but I maneuvered out of the attitude, you want to go back to 
regular attitude? 

AMERICA Okay, Houston 

valve - the other two are closed, 
interconnect in between the other 

CAPCOM Copy that. 

AMERICA How's the old 

like it's pretty good. Okay, the 
Okay let's go to PRESS. There we 



Return is closed, heat flow 
mine is open and I've got the 
one s . 



And it feels like it 



up . 02 
re ce ive 



s going up, 



fluid 
02 

go 
And 



p re s sure 



That looks 
flow is lower limit. 

It's going up to PRESS 
terminal direct on 



flow high, 
on the VHF. 



Okay, wait a minute, Jack. 
I'll just go to receive 



to he lp it 
just go to 
VHF, Jack. 

AMERICA Okay, let's see - there's a delta p of 

about 6-1/2 (garble) 60 second return here. Okay, that's 



(garble) 

I' 11 
on th e 



out and back in, 
fluid. Woo wee , 



it's 



down 



coming 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
reads 4.5. Want 



Okay, now we 11 squirt a little more 02 
there we go. (garble) God, Oh man, 02 is off 
Gee, I made 4.5 in my suit, is that right? 
like about 4 on our meter, Ron. 



Looks 

Well, I' 11 be darned, well, the suit gauge 
that closed in here. Let's say about maybe 
nine or something like that. Lot closer to 4. I can't 
tell for sure what it feels like. Anyhow, the 02 flow is 
down. It's not leaking very much. I'm reading about .3 or 
something like that. 

Okay, we're showing 4.2 to 4.3 on our 
your cabin and suit pressure gauges prob- 
similar. And we show that the flow rate 



i t 



CAP COM 
pressure spread and 
ably show something 
is down. 

AMERICA 

to - 

CAPCOM 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
AME RI CA 
isn't it? 



That's not to bad - that's pretty close 

Yeah. And a - (garble) 
And 02 flow is staying pretty good. 
Let's go to depress on this thing, huh? 
Sounds good. 

Okay, so it looks like it's stable there 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 CST 10:18 GET 109:24 CM5/2 



CAPCOM Yes sir. 

AMERICA Okay, let's go to depress, (garble) 

in my ears pretty good, you guys. Okay, I'm going to go 
to off. Save a little time here. 

CAPCOM America, I don't know if I copied you 

correctly. You don't want to go to OFF on the suit test 
valve until the pressures are back down to normal - if that 
was what you asked. 

AMERICA 

CAPCOM Or are you already there? 

AMERICA I changed my mind. Yes, my ears are 

popping to beat the band, and I changed my mind, I let it go 
down slowly. 

CAPCOM Okay. Okay, and we've got about 20 min- 

utes before LOS so just there's hurry on those pads, I've got 
them standing by when you're ready. And didn't know what 
you had in mind about working on these things. You might 
get started on the hatch integrity test if you get to that 
point, and I can give you the pads while you're waiting for 
it to bleed down or whatever turns out to be convenient. 

AMERICA Okay, let's see, I guess it's just 

about time to - integrity check, okay. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 10:28 CST 109:33GET CM6/1 



AMERICA I'm trying to let it go down slowly. 

CHALLENGER Okay. 

CAPCOM Okay, and we've got about 20 minutes 

before LOS so while there's no hurry on those pads I've got 
them standing by when you're ready. And didn't know what 
you had in mind about working on these things - we might get - 
you might get started on the hatch integrity check if you 
get to that point and I can give you the pads while you're 
waiting for it to bleed down or whatever turns out to be 
convenient . 

AMERICA Okay. Let's see, I guess it's about 

time to - to recyc - Okay. 

CAPCOM Okay, and I guess the LM is going to be 

asking you for a NOUN 20 pretty quick here. 

AMERICA Okay Challenger, America here. I'll go 

back to CMC. 

AMERICA Stand by. 

AMERICA Okay, go. 

AMERICA Okay, 002.15 104.36 359.69. 

AMERICA And Houston, do we want to release those 

docking latches before they do their hot fire? I don't think 
so , do we? 

CAPCOM I'll check. Stand by. 

AMERICA Yeah. 

CAP COM You're right Ron. We'll just hold up 

on that - releasing the latches until the hot fires are 
over so when you get your copying hand ready, we'll give you 
some pads. We'll clean that one up. 

AMERICA Okay, let's see. 32 SCS integrity check 

( garble) . 

AMERICA Okay, Houston. Let's see - where are 

we going to start the pads. 

CAP COM Okay, and you might go to BLOCK on the 

computer, too. 

AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM Let's see, the first thing I'll give you 

is the SEP pad. And that's on page 113. 
AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM Okay. NOUN 33 is 11027 5500 roll 

is 0 105 pitch and yaw is 0. 

AMERICA NOUN 33 11027 5500 and roll, pitch, 

and yaw are as detected 0 105 and 0. Right? 

CAPCOM That's affirmed. 

AMERICA Okay, got it. 

CAPCOM Okay, the next thing I have for you is 

a p24 pad that goes on page 115. 



APCLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 10:28 CST 109:33GET CM6/2 



AMERICA Okay, (garble) test valves are on OFF now. 

On page 115 - okay, got it. 

CAPCOM Okay, it will be 17-1 110 58 13. P2 is 

111 00 30 01 00 01 - 

AMERICA Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Better 

hold it - hold it. Okay, wide deadband at hold thats - where 
am I? And America - Houston, America. I missed T21. 

CAPCOM Okay, you ready to go back to it now? 

AMERICA Okay, ready for T2. 

CAP COM All right sir - T2. Ill 00 30 01 00 01 26 , 

roll 015 297 000, north 02. Over. 

AMERICA Okay, I'll read back what I have - 

110 58 13 (garble) 2 TCA is 0100. T3 is 0126, roll 15, pitch 
297 and 0, north 02. I presume 17 1. 

CAP COM Yes sir, and T2 time is 111 00 30. 

AMERICA Okay, 111 00 30. 

CAP COM That's correct. 

AMERICA Challenger says something every time you 

talked on that one. 

AMERICA Hey Jack, could you go to RECEIVE ONLY 

on the VHF for a little bit? 

AMERICA Okay. 

AMERICA And Houston, America. You can go ahead 

on the next pad. 

CAP COM Okay, on page 113 I've got a DAP hold 

for yo u . 

AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM Okay, the weight 37 983 plus 040 plus 091. 

AMERICA Okay, CSM weight is 37 983 vector 

plus 0.40 vector plus 091. 

CAPCOM Okay, that correct and the last one comes 

up on page 121 and it's a LM P76. 

AMERICA Ah hah Okay. 

CAPCOM Okay, NOUN 33. 

AMERICA Page 121, got it. 

CAPCOM All right sir, 112 02 5192 minus - 

AMERICA Wait, wait, hold it there. America for 

Challenger . 

AMERICA I'll try you one free, Challenger. 

AMERICA Challenger, America, you want for high power. 

AMERICA Okay, going to FREE now. 

AMERICA Houston, America. You can try that one 

again . 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 10:28 CST 109:33 GET CM6/3 

CAPCOM All righty. NOUN 33, you're 112 02 5192 
minus 00 075 and all zips for Y and Z. 

AMERICA Okay, throw that NOUN 33 again. 

AMERICA Houston, America. You were cut out on 

NOUN 33 again and I've got minus 00 07.5 and X and Y 00. 

CAP COM Okay, and the time 112025192. 

END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 GET 109:43 CST 10:38 CM7/1 



AMERICA Okay, try NOUN 3 3 again. 

AMERICA Houston, America. We are coming out on 

NOUN 33 again and I've got minus 0007.5 and actually 00. (garble) 
CAPCOM Okay, and the time 112025192. 

AMERICA Okay, NOUN 33 is 1120251. 1120251.92. 

CAP COM That's correct. 

AMERICA Okay, Challenger, America. You're in, 

at 0. Hey, didn't get very far off that time, either. 
That's good. Okay? 

AMERICA Okay, Challenger, America. Okay, I'm going 

to turn off B-3 and also my roll jets and 

then I'm going to undo the docking latches. Okay, verify 
transponder is off. Say again about umbilical. No, all I 
get is umbilical, I didn't get the question. Verify. I have 
those down here. And jet Bravo-3 is off. 

CAPCOM Okay, Ron, we're about 5 minutes from LOS. 

And the only thing that you wouldn't be able to do, following 
right down your checklist is to get the VHF data on and check 
the tape recorder at LOS. The rest of that stuff, you can 
follow right on through, and we'll remind you of the lithium 
change after descent. So it looks like we're caught up again. 

CAPCOM Okay, and America, Houston. You have a 

GO for undocking from here. 

AMERICA Roger. GO for undocking. Okay, number 1 

is disconnected. And Houston, can you watch my 02 flow, as I 
disconnect these things? 

CAPCOM Yes sir. 

AMERICA Okay. Two cocks on number 2 and that's 

out of the way. Number 1 J-hook is out of the way. One 
minute. Okay, that's three of them on number 3 and it's 
out of the way. Number A was already cocked and It's out of 
the way. Okay, number 5, 1, 2, and it's fully released and 
the hook is off of the docking rig. Okay, number 6 is 1, 2, 
and it's fully released and the hook is off of the docking 
rig. Okay, 7 is released and the hook is off of the docking 
rig. 02 flow still okay. 

CAPCOM Yes sir. Looking good. 

AMERICA Okay, here's number 8. This is 1, 2, and 

she's fully released and the hook is off the docking rig. Okay, 
here's number 9, 1, 2, and she's fully released , the hook 
clears the docking ring. Okay, number 10 is 1, 2, fully re- 
leased and the hook clears the docking ring. Okay, handle 
is free JS clears the ring. Only got one more to go. There's 
first latch, two latches felt like it came over and hook stays 
clear, handle is free. Well, there you go. They're all off. 
Hey, Challenger, America. You're hanging on those three little 
bitty things. Okay, I put the old hatch in. 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 GET 109:43 CST 10:38 CM7/2 



CAPCOM Okay, Ron. We're within a minute of LOS. 

Your 02 flow still looks good. And the rest of the stuff that 
can get on the VHF is going to be just fine. You're right on 
s chedule now . 

AMERICA Okay, I'll get that VHF stuff and then 

put the hatch in. Okay and receive only the B data. Hey, 
Challenger, America. I'm going to receive only B data. Hey, 
Challenger, America. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 CST 11:33 GET 110:39 CM-8/1 

AMERICA Okay, Challenger, America. 

CAPCOM America, Houston, standing by. 

AMERICA Okay, Houston. This is America. We're 

floating free out here. The Challenger looks real pretty. 
Residuals on P-41 were plus 1.9 minus .2 and 0. Undock and SEP 
was on time. 

CAP COM Sounds good. 

CAPCOM America, Houston. When you have an 

opportunity, how about cycling the high-gain to wide and then 
back to RE ACQ. 

AMERICA Okay, can do. 

CAP COM Okay, Thank you sir. 

CAPCOM Okay, America. How about going back 

to NARROW on the antenna. And could you verify what you 
loaded on Noun 34, they went by so fast on the down link we 
didn't get a chance to look at it. 

AMERICA Okay, let me call it again here. There 

you got it? 

CAPCOM Okay, that looks good. 

AMERICA Does that look okay? 

CAPCOM Yes sir, it sure does. 

AMERICA Okay, no update then, huh? 

CAPCOM That's correct. 

AMERICA Okay. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 11:43 CST 110:48 GET CM9 / 1 



CAPCOM America, can you verify that you gave us now 

on the high gain. 

AMERICA Houston, America. Say again. 

CAPCOM Can you verify that you gave us narrow 

on the high gain antenna, please? 

Ah, negative. 



gain 

AMERICA 

narrow now. 

CAP COM 

guess we missed 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
AMERICA 

Charlie Charlie 



(garbled) I'll give you 
a while back and 



Okay, I asked for wide 
the call there. 

You got your eyeball in that telescope. 
About this - 

Houston, America. At 50 percent of mag 
I changed mags there for the landmark tracking 



And let's 
that one. 

AMERICA 
refer to French. 
How are you guys 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 

AMERI CA 

CAPCOM 
3 seconds to T-l. 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 
your PDI burn now 

CAP COM 



see frame 110, I think, or 112. Let me look on 



That was frame 103 mag, 
(laughter) Okay, there, 
doing? 

Looks like it 
Ahhha. I bet . 
(Whistling) 

Hey, Challenger, America. 
Okay, America, you're coming 



Shish and 
Go ahead, John, 



s pretty low down there. 



up on 



Okay, 3 seconds to T-l. Thank you. 
Okay, Challenger, America, good luck on 
I'm going to track your landmark for you. 
A will do . 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 GET 110:58 CST 11:51 CM10/1 



AMERI CA 
your PDI burn now. 
CHALLENGER 
AMERICA 
CHALLENGER 
AMERICA 
CHALLENGER 



Okay, Challenger, America. Good luck on 
I T m going to strike your landmark for you. 
Okay, babe, have a good time. 
Will do. 

Don't forget. No DES. 
Yes. I got it too. 

Hey, Gordo, we got the landing site. We're 



coming . . . 

AMERICA That slide really shows up beautiful 

CAPCOM Okay, coming up on 30 seconds to T2 , 

the auto pitch rate and remember the good old Sun's going 

be staring at you when you come around. 

AMERICA Beautiful results. There's the 

Sun and the sextant. Boy, those guys are going to have fun 

t here . 

Hey, Houston, I got so excited there, I 
the camera on. 

Oh, that's fair. You got any comments to 
those marks. They were collecting the marks 
Bo you have any that they ought to pay particular 



inspect 
to 



down 



AMERI CA 
forgot to turn 

CAPCOM 
make on any of 
i n real time . 
atten tion to ? 

AMERICA 
were all within 
of the crater. 



Well, let me think for a minute. They 
the crater itself. None of them were outside 



Let 



see, the last ones, I took, I started 



taking marks beyond what the real time was, just because 
you can still see it, so I wouldn't put too much faith in 
those, in about the last four. 

CAPCOM Okay. Sounds good. 

AMERICA Challenger, America. You want to try 

ranging and rendezvous radar compare? 

AMERICA Okay. Transponder coming on shortly, 

transponder is on now. 



Okay 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 CST 12:01 GET 111:07 CM11/1 



CAPCOM America it sounds like Challenger is still 

working on their readbacks if you want to go ahead and get 
your 52 out of the way while your waiting for the range 
check that might save a little time. 

Okay, I think their about ready to do it 



AMERICA 
now. Challenger 

AMERICA 
.50 mi 1 es . Okay 

AMERICA 



th en 



, the co mm 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
CAPCOM 
if you give us 

AMERICA 
sir, and you have 

CAP COM 
the same page. 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
28 09 plus 00705. 



ranging off 



93 



America you about ready for a UHF ranging? 

Okay, here goes reset now. Ah, it works 
.50 or .49 miles. 

Okay, I'm going to turn the 
s a little better that way. 

Okay, Houston you copying the 
Yes sir, torque any time. 
Okay, we'll torque at 451345. 
Okay . 

And America Houston has some vectors to send 
accept, and we're standing by with a pad. 

Okay Houston America ready to copy pad 
accep t . 

Okay, first one will be the circ pad on 



Okay , p re s s on . 

FPS G&N 37983 plus 040 plus 091 111 57 
Delta VY is all zips. Delta VZ minus 00005 
000092 358 00697 plus 00545 00705 004 00599. The stars are 
Sirius and Rigel 133 200 030. The ullage is four zips for 
12 seconds. Comment on your PC - if you happen to notice 
the chamber pressure it will probably be running 90 to 95 
and we're predicting that it'll show you about 6 psi less than 
what the actual chamber pressure is. 

AMERICA Ah, that's good to know on that chamber 

pressure. What your saying is that even during the LOI burn 
the velocity gain or what have you was for a chamber probably up 
around a little better than a 100. 

CAPCOM Yes sir. We've got a couple - - 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY GET 111:18 CST 12:11 CM-12/1 



AMERICA Okay, that's good to know on that chamber 

pressure. What you're saying is that even during the LOI 
burn the velocity gain and what have you was for a chamber 
pressure probably up around a little better than a hundred, 
huh? 

CAPCOM Yes sir. We've got a couple of trans- 

ducer problems - we'll talk about them sometime when we're 
ab o ar d . 

AMERICA Okay. For the P30 circ pad, NOUN 37, I 

mean NOUN 47. It's 37983 plus 040 plus 091111 5 72809. 



981 plus 0070.5 zero on the Y and a minus 
roll zero, pitch 092, yaw 358. NOUN 44's 
plus 54.5. That'll to be totalled 70.5. 
Sirius and Rigel 133200030. That'll be 4 
ullage. 

Okay , 
p ad . 
Okay, 
Okay , 
Okay , 



.5 on the Z . 
6 9.7 and a 
Burn time 004 
j e 1 1 4 se cond 



Okay , 

Delta BC 59.9 



your 



CAPCOM 

RP 3 tracking 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 



that's a good readback. I have 



ready to copy 
RP 3 , 1121701, 



Okay, read 
T11121701 , 



back on RP 3 . 

T2 215123312419 



The 



Okay, that's good, and I have the other 
ready to copy them or if you want to press 
come back and pick them up later. Your 



215123312419 north 04. 
copy that. While I think 
about it on the landmark tracking there on the low altitude 
mark, the computer was pointing me - I wish I - I have to 
get a map to look at the name of it, but I consider Sherlock 
and then the one to the south of that and another one to 
the south of that. There were three in a row, and it was 
pointed to the one just south of Sherlock, one about the 
same size as 17-1. 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
north 04 miles 

CAP COM 
p ads if yo u ' re 
on , then we'll 
cho i ce . 

AMERICA 
attitude and then 

CAP COM 
a good plan. Say, 
uplink, you can go 

AMERICA 
clear, too. 

CHALLENGER 
AMERICA 
maneuvering to circ 
CHALLENGER 
AMERICA 
CHALLENGER 
maneuvering, I'll 
those pads up. 
CAPCOM 

CHALLENGER Echo 



started to the VERB 49 
of the pads, okay? 
think that sounds like 



Why don ' t I get 
I'll get the rest 
Alright , sir, I 
when we're through with our 
to block when you want to. 
(garble) Okay, I got you loud 



and 



Okay, proceed. 
Okay, Challenger 
burn attitude. 
Okay, sure will. 
Ah, hah, great. 
And, Houston and 



and Houston, Im 



America, while we're 



go to receive 
Okay, 



on the VHF. They can send 



here they 
1130200 - 



come 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 GET 111:18 CST 12:11 CM-12/2 

AMERICA Wait a minute, hold it, hold it, hold 

it. You tell those guys to go to receive only. Hey, Challenger, 
America. Okay, Jack, could you go to receive only on your 
VHF? I got all these pads to pick up now. I'll call you 
when I'm all through. Okay, Houston, America, let's try it 
again on get our pad E. 

CAPCOM Alright. Pad Echo 11302, all zeros, Fox 

Trot plus 01034 plus all zips minus 00500. Golf 113570000. 
Hotel 115364500. India 112495235. Juliet 115364500. 
Kilo 117354500. Lima 113142491. Mike 119343000. 
November 114571909. Over. 

AMERICA Echo 11302, all zips. Plus 0103.4 all 

zips minus 0050.0. Golf 11357 all zips. 115364500. 
112495235. 115364500. Kilo 117354500. Lima 113142491. 
114343000. November 114571909. Over- 

CAPCOM Okay, let's go over Mike again. That's 

119343000. The rest are correct. 

AMERICA Okay, on Mike 119343000. 

CAPCOM Okay, got them all. 

AMERICA Amazing. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/15/72 CST 12:22 GET 111:29 CM13/1 



AMERICA Okay, Challenger, America. I'm through with all 
the pads now. 

AMERICA Hey, Challenger, America. Are you still 
with me ? 

AMERICA Okay, I got something like yep, 

AMERICA Okay, I just wanted to make sure of voice 
check. We still have VHF Comm. 

AMERICA Okay, loud and clear OMNI, Jack. 

AMERICA Challenger, America. I read you loud and 
clear. How me? 

CAPCOM Okay, America, we show you inside of 20 minutes 
and you have a GO for certain. 

AMERICA Ah, Houston, America. Roger, we'll do our 

best. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 12:32 CST 111:38 GET CM14/1 



AMERICA And, we don't have any section star 

check this time. And we're in P-40, got a 58 10 align the old GDC. 
AMERICA Okay, GDC is aligned. 

AMERICA (garble) Stop control and SPS breakers are CLOSED. 

Attitudes are rate command. (garbled) ycles OFF, dead band 
min . , rate to low, servo powers in rate command. Okay, 
Delta VC G's in CSM, give * em a drive, PITCH and YAW in AUTO. 
Standby for the bus ties. 

CAPCOM Say, you're looking good. 

AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM Okay, America. About a minute to 

LOS. All systems look good. We'll see you on the other side 
with a good CIRC. 

AMERICA Okay, mighty fine. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/15/72 CST 1:28 GET 112:33 CM15/1 



CAP COM 
AMERICA 



America, Houston standing by. 
Hey, Houston. This is America. 



Good 



b urn 



CAPCOM Okay. Glad to hear it. 

AMERICA And, give you some dope here. Okay, 

it was on time; burn time, near as I could tell, was 4 sec- 
onds. VGX was 69er.9er. Okay, the trim angles were 357 
89er and 4 degrees of yaw. Okay, at the place in the burn 
there of the NOUN 85- The NOUN 85 1 s were plus 1.70 and 
minus 0.6. They were trimmed out to 00 and a plus .1. 
Delta VC was minus 10.0, and I didn't 
112 plus 00. Oxidizer was 30.3, fuel 
minus 200 . Ove r . 

Okay, that sounds 
And, P76 was good 
Okay , sir 
And LC3 - 



look at that 
was 31.1 an d 



un til 

unba lan ce s 



CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 

first . 

CAP COM 

55 42 57 22 58 
AMERICA 

ing every time 



good. 

on the LM, too. 
I've got your (garble). 
Okay, I'd better take it 



I'll give you a 17-1 112 50 52 



10 



Okay 
north 02. 

(Laughter) Okay, Ken, Jack keeps talk- 
you do, so maybe you can keep one ear on 
them or something. I've got T 1 and 112 50 52, and I think 
G2 was 5542, and that's all I got. 



CAP COM 
the P 24 pad? 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
10 north 02 . 

AMERI CA 
42 5 7 22 and 

CAP COM 
s tar ting to s ay 

AMERICA 



Okay, America, ready to try again on 



Okay , 
Okay . 



let's 
17-1, 



t ry 
112 



i t 
50 



n ow . 

52 55 



42 57 22 58 
112 50 52 55 



Okay, copied that time. 
58 10 north 02 miles. 

Okay, that's correct, and you were 
something about your RPE target? 

Yeah, RP 3 is just about the limit of 
high sun angle that she could take to track that thing. I 
could track to TCA and then, from TCA all across, you could 
hardly even tell there was a crater there at all. It's just 
completely washed out. 



look 



on 



2401 



CAP COM 
at it. 
AMERICA 
it anyhow, 
CAPCOM 
AMERI CA 
instead 
CAPCOM 
CAP COM 



Okay 



look 
your 



But , 
tho ugh . 

Real 
Al so , 
2419er . 

Okay . 
Okay , 

around your bird, and 
half is GO for PDI. 



I'll keep that in mind when we 
think we got some good marks 



fine . 
H o us t on 



I lost the landmark at 



of 



America, we have taken one last 
it's looking good, so at least 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/15/72 CST 1:28 GET 112:33 CM15/2 



AMERICA Okay, mighty fine. And, I think that 

taper brush was up around 95. I really couldn't swear to 
it, so you might take a look at the readout and the playback. 

CAPCOM Okay. He got a mighty fast scan pattern 

to see all that. 

AMERICA That's what I say, I can really cut the 

(garble) . 
END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/15/72 CST 13:38 GET 112:44 CM16/1 

CAPCOM And America Houston we haven't watched 
you load P24 yet. 

AMERICA That's a good point. I'll go ahead and 

get it. 

CAP COM Coming up on Pi. 

AMERICA Okay, Ken, thank you. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/15/72 CST 13:48 GET 112:53 CM17/1 
CAPCOM 5 seconds to P2 . 

AMERICA Hey, Challenger, this is America. Heard 

you all the way don. That's great. Beautiful. 

END OF TAPE. 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 GET 113:04 CST 1358 CM-18/1 



CAPCOM And, America, we have a stay for T 1. 

AMERICA Roger, understand, stay for T 1. Good. 

CAPCOM And, America, I have a pan camera photo 

pad whenever you're ready for it. It is on page 129. America, 
this is Houston, the LM has a stay for T 2. 

AMERICA Okay, great, stay for T 2. Beautiful. 

Does it look like they hit the right spot? 

CAPCOM Okay, and I - yeah, they must be right in 

there, and I got your pan camera photo pad whenever you're 
ready for it on 129. That's page 129, excuse me. 

AMERICA Okay, just a second. 

END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 14:02CST 113 : 13GET CM19/1 



AMERICA 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
got your pan came 
That' s page 129 , 

AMERICA 

CAPCOM 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 

CAPCOM 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 
sextant because y 
Earth is in the f 

CAPCOM 
or would you like 
at tit udes ? 

AMERICA 
well, Ken. You j 

CAP COM 
in the telescope, 

AMERICA 

AMERI CA 
difference in the 
get into Earth sh 
even if you don't 

CAPCOM 

AMERICA 
the double umbra 
s imul a tor . 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 



Hey, okay. Great stay for T2 , beautiful. 
Okay, Ron. 

Did I hit the right spot? 

Yeah, they must be right in there. Now I've 
ra photo pad whenever you're ready for it on 129 
e xc us e me . 

Okay, just a second. - Okay, ready to copy. 
Okay, T-start 114 03 11. T-stop 114 33 18. 
Okay, T-start 114 03 11. T-stop 114 33 18. 
Okay, that's correct. 

And, America, we're ready for high gain auto. 
Okay, do you have it? 

Yeah, it's a good thing that it's In the 
ou can't see it in the telescope, 'cause the 
ield of view. 

Are you able to get something in the sextant 
for us to look first in the new stars and 



real 

to look at 



No, you can see then in the sextant 
ust can't see them In the telescope. 

Okay. That's a mighty pretty thing 
though, isn't it? 
Yeah, it sure is. 

You know, I noticed there is even a lot of 
Earth shine and in the double umbra. You 
ine on that thing and it's hard to see the stars, 
have the Earth in there. 

Yeah, that makes a surprising difference. 
Double - on the back side of the moon. Yeah, 
on the back side of the moon is even better in the 

Okay, if those look good to you I'll torque at 
Okay, that looks good. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 CST 14:16 GET 113:22 CCM-20/1 



go 



SC Okay Houston, America, I 

ahead and use shaft 0012 and 57 point 470 



think I'll 



CAP COM 

S C 

CAP COM 
better than 
S C 

as a matter 
h e re , 



the 



of fact 



Okay, we copied that. 
That's for the cal . 

All righty. I think (garble) a little 
similator on that, doesn't it. 

Yeah, sure does, it's out standing 
You can even see the star out 



CAP COM 
When you get around 
call . I'd like to 

SC 

B20 attitude first. 

CAPCOM Sure 
SC Okay, 
CAPCOM Okay, 

should be turned off. 

SC Okay, 
CAP COM Okay, 



Yeah, it's a rather wondrous thing, 
to it, I've got a hydrogen tank 1 
have you turn that off. 
Okay, let me get started here in the 



thing . 
go on the HT tank, 
that's hydrogen tank number 1 



th e 



B52 



off 



VERB 44, did 
SC 

for ( garb le ) . 
CAP COM 
SC 



H2 fans number 1 - off. 
and I missed seeing you set 
that one in . 
I did it while I was doing the 
I'll do it again . 
Okay, it's off. It looks good. Ron. 
Okay. And rendezvous transponder is 



you get 

Yeah , 
t 



CAP COM 
SC 

CAP COM 
SC 

receive only - 

CAPCOM 
baited b r e ath . 

S C 

CAPCOM 
SC 

breakers in, smack 
are in. So what do 

on . 



Okay , 
Okay, 
All right. 
And the VHF 



thank you. 
pan camera 



power 
is off to 



is coming off. 



Okey, and also waiting here with 



He 



ready to go to work, isn't he. 



he 



chomping at the bit 



Yeah , 

Okay, we're in deploy retract, circuit 
powers on and those circuit breakers 
you want to square away. Okay, data 



system is going 

CAPCOM Okay. 

SC IR is going on. UV is going on, 

It has opened a few covers. A mapping camera laser 



altimeter, the barber pole, then 

and a gray, UV cover, the barber 
we'll try timing the old mapping 
this time. 

CAP COM Okay. 
SC Oh, watch it 

CAP COM (garble) my 

SC Okay. 



a gray, IR, barber 
pole, then a gray, 
camera, see how she 



pole , 
And 
doe s 



Okay, 3 
clock, Ron, 



2 1, mark it 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 14:26CST 113:32GET CM 21/1 



how 



Well, we'll try timing the ole mapping 
she does this time. 
Okay . 

Watch it. Okay, 321 mark it. 
Got my clock running, Ron. 
Okay . 

Still barber pole. 
Yeah, we're commenting on the 
data yet, but we're wondering. 
Hey, it went gray. Mark it. 
Okay, thank you. 
It was about 3 minutes and 20 

t it ? 

CAPCOM Yeah, 3 21. - Okay, Ron, and - before we 

got started this morning we skipped looking in the canister 
change and that was back at 108 hours and 10 minutes on page 
3-109, so, at your convenience you might want to catch up on 
that 



AMERICA 
camera and see 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
We don 1 t have 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
AME RICA 

wasn ' 



any 



same thing 



s e conds 



one . 

AMERICA 



it is' 



Which one? 



CAPCOM 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
number 9, which you 

AMERI CA 
11 is, then . 

CAPCOM 
to be in A9 now, 

AMERI CA 

AMERICA 
chan ge d . 

CAPCOM 

AMERICA 
Houston time there? 
can set my watch. 

CAP COM 
14 35 21 2 3 4 5 . 



Okay, do you have it handy there? What 

I'll read it to you. 



Yeah, just a 
Can you just 



s e cond . 
tell me' 



Okay, we wanted to take 11 
to take out, into 



re going 
Into A9 . 



11 should 
ho p e f ul ly . 
Yeah, A9 . 
Okay, the 



into 
A9 . 



A and stow 



Okay, then it must be where 



be in - yeah, okay. It ought 



ole lithium hydroxide canister's 



Okay, thank you. 

And - Ken, could you give me a hack on 
Or Greenwich Mean Time or something so 

Okay, I'll give you a Houston time. It 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 GET 113:41 CST 1435 CM-22/1 



AMERICA 



And, Ken, could you give me 



time, there - Greenwich mean time, or something, 



a hack on 
so I can 



Hous ton 
set my 



3, 



Okay, 
4, 5. 
Okay , 
Okay , 



I'll give you Houston time. It 



watch . 

CAP COM 
14:35:21, 2, 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
LOS. All systems 
the optics not in 

think it would make everybody feel better if 
It's not something you've got to do right away. 

AMERICA Okay, will do. Good way to keep me honest 

CAPCOM Yeah, I'll vote for that. 



mighty fine, thank you. 
America, we're about 3 minutes from 
look good and P&C's noticed that you've got 
zero. Next time you're down that way, I 

everybody feel better if you put it there. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 15:33CST 144:29GET CM2 3/1 



to 



Map 



America, Houston 
(garbled) 
America, Houston 
318 (garbled) - 
camera is standby. 
America, Houston 
Okay , 



there it goes. - Just about 
We're reading you (garbled) 



I just about have you, Houston, not 

This is America. 



CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
make i t . 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
quite. 

AMERICA (garbled) Okay, Houston 

Looks like the - you - for good now. 

CAPCOM Roger, Ron, you're looking great. We need 

word on the Spacecraft condition. We've got a couple of rockets 
out at White Sands ready to launch for a UV calibration and we 
need the "go" from you on that. 

AMERICA (laughter) Great up here. They're not going 

to try to hit me, are they? 

CAPCOM No, babe. We wouldn't do that. We need a 

couple of calibration rockets on airplanes - 

AMERICA (laughter) Okay. That sounds great. Tape 

motion has stopped, by the way. And I'm ready to charge Battery 

Roger, that's a go on that, 
(garbled) Okay, 
up to .8 after 3 or 4 
Roger, Ron. We 
Let's see abo ut 
they're open. Okay 



CAP COM 
AMERICA 
pressure went 
CAP COM 
AME RI CA 
are open. - Yep, 
Okay, and on the 



B. 



the battery compartment 
days here, 
copy that. 

Buss A and B - I think those 
bat relay bus, bat B is open, 



battery charger - that charged up into Bravo 



Both are about 30. 

CAP COM Ron, we're ready for pan camera power off 

AMERICA Okay, pan camera power is off and - let's 

it time for (garble) 



s ee 



is 

CAPCOM 

AME RICA 
and now I can't get 

CAP COM 

AME RI CA 
brownie so far. 

CAP COM 

AME RI CA 

CAP COM 
eat, huh? 

AMERICA 
I've even got them 

CAPCOM 



You've got about 3 minutes on that one. 
Okay. You know all I did was eat for 3 
a chance to eat. 

Roger, are you getting hungry? 

Well, I've had 2 gingerbread bars and a 



We've got to keep you busy. 

(laughter) Okay, that's good. 

I understand they left you some (garbled) 



day s 



Yeah, fortunately, 
tied down this time 
Rog . 



I've still got them, 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 GET 114:40 CST 13:43 CM/24/1 



SC Did Charles ever figure out where they are' 

Are they pretty close to the center of the ellipse? 

CAPCOM They look like they're a couple hundred 

meters short, Ron. No problem. They landed in a smooth area 
and that's what counted. 



SC 
SC 

The recorder 
OFF the CTR, 

CAPCOM 
photo p e gge d 

SC 
copy . 

CAPCOM 
time, 116 59 46. 

SC 

CAPCOM 
gain to AUTO. 
SC 

here. I'm ready to 
a while if you want 
CAP COM 



Oh , that's gre at . 

Okay, lunar sounder operate is in stand by. 
is going ON. Radar is going ON. Recorder is going 
and up the heaters. And the 

Good go, Ron, I've got 
anytime you want it. 

Okay, let's see. 116 30. Okay, ready to 



OFF. 



mode's going to VHF. 
that pan camera 



Okay, Ron, T start time, 116 31 10. T stop 



Okay, START 116 
(Garbled) Ron. 



31 10; T STOP 116 59 46 
Ron, we'd like the high 



High gain to AUTO. And Houston, 
do the lunar sounder extend test 

Whenever you're ready. 
Roger, stand by, Ron. Okay, 



America 
here for 



ready for the HF antenna extend test 

got one of their 



ma ti on 



White Sands 
a No/Go. 



Ame r I ca . We ' 
and just for your infor- 
rockets off. The other 



re 



one was 
SC 

Barber Pole 1 
Okay , number 1 
Barber Pole. Very 
stuck out there? 

CAP COM 
right now. 
stand by on 

SC 

try again. 

CAPCOM 
S C 

CAPCOM 



Oh , 

tho us an d 
retract 



okay- Good. Okay. 
1, 1 thousand 2. It 
Barber Pole. Barber 



HF antenna 1, 
s OFF. Gray 
Pole 



interesting. Would you believe 



still 
number 



Ro g , Ron, 
Ron, we'd like to 
number 2 . 

Okay, 



we're seeing strong stall current 
go OFF on HF antenna 1. And 



it s OFF and of course, I m going to 



yet, 



S C 



Roger . 
St and 
S t an d 

Okay . 



by for number 2 
by on that Ron, 



don't do number 2 



I won ' t do it yet. 



END OF TAPE 



17 MISSION Commentary 12/11/72 CST 13:53 GET 114:50 CM-25/1 



CAPCOM America, Houston, we'd like to try 

antenna 1 again and we'd like for you to go to extend for 
barber pole plus 3 seconds then off then retract. 

sc Okay, we'll try that. It's up - 

number 1, extend one thousand one, one thousand two, one 
thousand three, it's off. And of course I've got barber 
pole as it was going up. Okay, do you want to try to 
retract again. 

That's affirmative. 

Okay, Check number 1 to retract, 



CAP COM 
SC 

now, barber pole, 
CAP COM 
SC 

CAP COM 



Ron, we'd like 
i 



to turn it 
talkback ' s 
on that one 
seconds and 



off now 
gray . 
we 
th en 



you 

Okay , it's off and 
Ron, Houston here, 
followed your retract current in for 7 
it went into stall so apparently it's retracting normally 
up to a point and then goes into stall. We'd like you to 
press on and to extend on HF antenna 2 and we're going 
press on here, probably thinking like maybe we wont be 
able to get the antennas in. 
S C Ok ay - 

CAPCOM And on antenna 

the flight plan barber pole plus 2 
S C Okay , we ' 11 go 

Okay, number 2, extend barber pole 
thousand two, OFF. Okay, number 2 
barber pole, one thousand one, one 
okay, it went gray. And back OFF. t 

CAPCOM Rog, we copy that. Okay, Ron, you re 

at GO for the extending and, just a remind on the flight 
line there's a recorder on prior to the extend there. 

sc Oh, okay, it's good. Okay, recorder 

is going ON and we'll extend number 1. Let me get my 



to 



2 it records with 
s econ ds . 

barber pole plus 2. 
one thousand one, one 
go into retract, now, 
thousand two - gray - 



clock going here. 

CAPCOM 
is looking normal 
p rob 1 em - 

S C 

CAPCOM 
SC 

CAPCOM 
a couple more the 
SC 



Okay, 3, 2, 1, mark it. 
(garble) are looking good, the extension 
so far. And the aero B rocket has some 

Okay . 

(garble) has to look at the sun. 
Uh oh . 

And then they're going to try and launch 
day after tomorrow. 
Ve ry good . Hey , 



light spot down there on the landing 



I think I can see a 
site where they might 



have blown off 
CAP COM 
SC 

Hey , it's gray now, 

CAPCOM 
It's all the way 
one . 



some of that halo stuff. 

Roger. Interesting - 

It's between Sherlock and Camelot - 
on the number 1 extend. 

Roger, we got it and we got - we copy, 
out down here. You can go to OFF on that 



APOLLO 17 CSM COMMENTARY 12/11/72 CST 13:53 GET 114:50 CM-25/2 

SC Okay. Number 2 is going to - it's OFF 

and number 2 is going to extend. 

CAPCOM Okay, Ron, the currents look normal 

on number 2 while it extends. 

SC Okay. Hey, I can see number 2. 

CAPCOM Roger, that's a good show. It's 

still moving, Ron. 

SC All the way out there. It is? My 

windows all fogged up and can't see a thing. 

CAPCOM Roger. Okay, Ron, we show it's all 

the way out, you can go ahead and turn it off. 

SC Okay, we'll turn it off. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 14:03CST 114:59GET CM2 6/1 



AMERICA Houston, America. 

CAPCOM Roger, Ron. 

AMERICA I didn't have my map there but I was looking 

at the landing site and as close as I can remember it they ought 
to be somewhere around about TN 83.3 on the 200 meter scale. 
The TL 25-8. 

CAPCOM Okay, Ron. We're coming up on some flight 

plan operations on the mapping camera next you might want to check. 

AMERICA Thank you. - Okay, - it's always dark down 

there. Mapping camera is off - okay, mapping camera to standby. 
Leader on the meter - off. Image motion off barber pole. Okay, 
mapping camera to off. 

AMERICA Okay - let's see - pan camera - self test, 

Off and after sunset - Okay - off - IR is off - Data system 
is off - MC power - we've got to get that off. MC power 
is off. Okay, it looks like 12 - it'll look better to operate. 

CAPCOM America, while we're waiting for this lunar 

sounder operate for a few minutes could you - could you say 
again those coordinates you gave us. I dug out the map TL 25-8 
and I got the 83.3 but what was the azimuth coordinates on that, 
Ron? 

AMERICA It was Dog November. Maybe just a little 

bit to the right of Dog November. 
CAPCOM Okay, Dog - 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 GET 115:10 CST 1413 CM-27/1 



AMERICA It was Dog November- Maybe just a little 

bit to the right of Dog November. 

CAPCOM Okay, Dog November, Thank you. And you 

think that's where they are, huh? 

AMERICA Yeah. 

CAP COM Okay. 

AMERICA Well, there's a real white spot down there, 

you know, and I didn't have my - I only got a short - I only got 
a look at the thing - for about 30 seconds - before I had to do 
something else, but I'm just remem - recalling in my mind where 
the - the white spot is with respect to those - there's Camelot and 
then Sherlock and then from Camelot and Sherlock there are two other 
craters and they were just a little bit closer to Camelot. But 
between those two other craters there. 

CAPCOM Good show. Roger. 

AMERICA There is a white spot - yeah, there is a white 

spot on the - like it might have been dust blowing or 
something, you know. 

CAPCOM Rog, that may be the rocket exhaust it 

might be just a little bit off from that light spot. 

AMERICA Yeah. 

CAPCOM Okay, Ron, we're ready for lunar sounder 

operate - 2 operates, and if you'll give me a mark, I'll time 
it out for you. 

AMERICA Okay. Standby 3, 2, 1, mark it. Barber 

pole gray. Okay, she's standby. Mode is gone to HF , a 
select L&D Bravo. Two bay dual high gain, manual on Y, 
and 12 and 211. Okay, minus 12 and 211. High gain antenna 
power is off. Bit rate is low. Okay, ready for the HF part 
of it? 

CAPCOM Stand by, Ron. 

AMERICA Okay, standing by. 

CAPCOM Okay, Ron, you can go lunar sounder 

operate to "operate." 

AMERICA Okay, operate at 15, barber pole in the 

gray. See - battery to standby, 17. 

CAPCOM Roger. 

AMERICA Okay, bit rate to "high." 

CAP COM Stand by, Ron. 

AMERICA May as well pull some film. Okay, we'll stand by 

CAPCOM Okay, Ron, lunar sounder operate to "operate." 

We ' re all set. 

AMERICA Okay, we'll make it at 1740. 

CAPCOM Roger. 

AMERICA 1740, 1, 2, operate. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 G3 T 115:20 CST 16:23 CM 28/1 



1840 lunar sounder, stand by. 
Roger, Ron. Just for your information 
could read down here was looking great. 
Hey g re a t . 

Both HF and VHF was good and we saw no 
visible interference on the CSM telemetry. 

SC Hey, outstanding. That's great. Now if 

old antenna would come back in, we'd be in good shape, huh? 



SC 

CAPCOM 
whatever we 
SC 

CAP COM 



the 

CAPCOM 
S C 
S C 

ahead i f yo u 
CAPCOM 

all ready to 
SC 

Man ual w i de , 



Yes sir. 

Okay, we're maneuvering 

Okay, Houston, I' 
all are . 

Stand by on that, 
press on . 

Okay. High gain antenna power's ON, we 
minus about 12 and yaw about 21 or something, 



to the HF test attitude 
m about ready to press 

Okay , Ron we ' re 



Ron , 



got 

211, 



and manual high gain, auto 
Okay, mode to VHF, find it 



looks like it worked pretty good, 
- there it is - mode to VHF; 



CAPCOM Okay, Ron, we re ready for the lunar 

sounder operate to operate. 

SC Okay, operate at 28. Operate, 

talk about night flying, this is the kind of night 
want to do by the full Earth. 

CAPCOM Is that right? 

SC Beautiful out there. 



Boy , you 
flying you 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 16:33CST 115:30GET CM29/1 



AMERICA 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
It's a lit tie 
on the - high 
25 gray west - 

CAP COM 
you oud - - 
AMERICA 

Of f . 

CAPCOM 
CAPCOM 
when you 
update - 



calm 
gain 



Okay, went to standby at 3 0. 
Roger. 

Mode has gone to HF. Recorder is Off. 
here, huh? Maybe. Okay, there's Bravo. But 
- minus manual - white - minus 10 - and - 

Okay, Ron, we're still riding you - reading 

Okay, good, and again, antenna power's going 



Ron , 
p 1 an 
p lan 



come 
we ' ve 



Ro ger . 
Just want 
around AOS 
got quite 



to give you some 



w arn m g , 

! 



f ai r 

next time at 116:30 it's a flight 
a lengthy update on the flight 



hard look 
on that or 



t - Jack thought he saw the white spot and 



Oh , okay 
And, Ron, 



just for your information, re- 



all orbital picture work - that's quite lengthy. 
AMERICA Okay. Are you trying to pull that antenna 

back in first before we completely change the flight plan. 

CAP COM Ron, we're going to take a good 

at that and see if we can generate up either a test 
what - that's kind of in limbo right now, Ron. 
AMERICA Okay- 

CAPCOM These flight plan changes I've got for you 

coming up later will be all some items Bruck has on camera pictures 
on the - that Bob didn 
a few other changes. 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
gardless of what we 
flight plan changes 
AME RI CA 
CAP COM 
AME RI CA 
CAP COM 
t on i gh t , Ron . 
Low clouds and 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
can ' t see the 

AMERICA 
be gone . 

CAPCOM 
AMERICA 



h ave 
that 



any 

an tenna. 



fans to On 



do on that antenna, we won t 
until after 144 hours due to 
Oh, Okay. 

Ron, we would like R2 tank 2 

H2 tank 2 fans are On. Now. 

Okay, Ron. You're lucky you're up there 
We're having really ratty weather down here, 
rain and drizzle and cold. 

Oh, really? 

Yeah, you walk outside and you just about 
o f Building 2 . 

Gee whiz. Guess I picked a good time to 

That ' s for sure . 

Hey, you know, you'll never believe this 



top 



but 
s aw 



m 



over the edge of Aureataw and I just looked down and 



light flashing myself. 

Ro g er 
Right 



at the end of the rille but on the 



be 



CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
east of Aureataw 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
Bustard - Well, 
on the map . 

CAPCOM Ron, just before you leave you'll be glad 

to hear you're looking good as you go around the horn and we'll 
pick you up at 116 30. Voices will be pretty marginal the 
rest of the way out. 



Ro ge r . 

You know, you don't suppose that could 
I'll be darned, I've got to mark that spot 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 CSM COMMENTARY 12/11/72 CST 16:43 GET 115:40 CM-30/1 

SC Just about to loose you. 

END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 GET 116:28 CST 17:22 CM 31/1 



S C 

you 1 re with 



Okay, Houston, this is America 
That's affirmative, America. 



Looks like 
read 



you 



Okay . 

Did you get the pan 
Yeah, that's affirm, 



camera start time 



but I got a 3111 instead 



Oh, Rog. No problem. 
Okay. (Laughter). I'll 



try and do better 



me now, 

CAPCOM That's affirmative, America. We 

loud and clear, 
SC 

CAPCOM 
there, Ron ? 
SC 

of 31 10. 

CAP COM 
SC 

next time. 

CAP COM 
SC 

CAPCOM 
taking the up 
S C 

lead into the landins site there, and we can eo ahead and do it 
now . 

CAP COM Okay. The 

Add the following words, Ron. Configure 
Earthshine photos, CM 5 - command module 
November kilo Nikon; flash 55. Flash VH 
Bravo Whiskey. 

Okay . 

Parenthesis F 1.2, 1 
18 frames FR, 18FR. Magazine - 

Check zulu, zulu. Okay, go. 

Okay, go down to 119 24 and add the following 
read it to you quickly here so you can put in the 
words you want to. The words are point at target mark by LMP , 
use same technique as for Copernicus central peak. 



SC 

CAP COM 
p arenthesis . 
SC 

CAPCOM 
Le t me j us t 



America, is the bird in good shape? 
So far as I know. 

Okay, great. Any time you want to start 
- flight plan update just let me know. 

Okay. Give me a little bit of time to 
landing site there, and we can go ahead and do 

first thing is 119 00, 119 00. 

camera in parenthesis 
5 - window, the latch 
BW, that's Victor Hotel 



infinity, end of 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 GET 116:38 CST 1732 CM-32/1 



CAPCOM MS 4 Copernicus central peak. 

AMERICA Okay, we'll point it at the target by the 

LMP and use the same technique which is starting out at 1 second 
- was it 30 seconds? 

CAP COM Roger, let me read it to you. That's 

1 second 2 frames, 1/2 second 2 frames, 1/4 seconds 2 frames, 
l/8th second 2 frames, l/16th second 2 frames. On Copernicus 
we ' re us ing 



a 32nd interval -- it s not according 
it's mainly just a stop setting on that. You're 
a total of ten frames. 

AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM Okay, then add the following 

After completion of above, switch to window CM 3 
of end of target Poppa 17 Delta at 
frame number. 

Okay, I got switch to window 3 
that again, the target number 



to intervals 
go ing t o us e 



after 
for 8 



that : 
frame s 
Re c o r d 



on 



AMERICA 
target - say 

CAP COM 
17 Delta. 

AMERICA 

CAPCOM 
caution note 

AMERICA 
frames, doesn't 

CAPCOM 
frames . Th e 
ca 1 ib ration . 
you wan t It. 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
s imil ar note 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
on Earthtime mag 
preflight cal. I 
mag Wicki Wicki. 

AMERICA 



30 second intervals. 

for end of 



P as in Poppa 17 Delta, D as in Delta, 



Poppa 17 Delta, 
second intervals. 



Okay , th e re ' s a 



Okay . 
At 30 
this. It 

Seems 

it ? 

That's affirmed. Do not exceed one eight 
balance of mag Zebra zero was used for preflight 
Do not exceed 18 frames. Put that down any way 



s a note concerning the frame usage 
to me like Zebra zero only has 18 



for 



Okay . 

Okay. Under rev 17 I've got a note - a 
rev 17. 
Okay . 

The note is do not exceed four zero frames 
Wicki Wicki. Balance of magazine was used for 
say again, do not exceed 40 frames on Earthtime 



exceed 40 



Okay, on mag Wicki Wicki, don't 
frames. The balance is already on calibration. 

CAP COM That's affirmative and I've got three notes 

then, Ron, just general notes. You can make them up in the 
crew film area. Mag Poppa Poppa for crew option. Just use mag 
Poppa Poppa for crew option. Do not use Kilo Kilo for crew 
option. Do not use Kilo Kilo for crew option. 
AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM The last one is save all the remaining VHBW 

on Quebec Quebec and Romeo Romeo for scheduled photos. We have 
a very small margin on each. (garble) 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 GET 116:38 CST 1732 CM/32/2 



AMERI CA 
and. what was 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 
VHBW, huh? 

CAPCOM 
tho s e n ow . 
site, over . 
if you wan t . 

AMERICA 



Okay, 3 more remaining on Quebec Quebec 
the oth, Jack? 

Romeo, Romeo. 

Okay, no extras on those two with the 



Yeah, we've got a very small margin on 
And you're about 10 minutes prior to landing 
Why don't you go over and start studying that, 

Okay . 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 CST 17:42 GET 116:48 CM-33/1 



SC You know you look at the next two of them 

Macrobius A there's a kind of a dark halo type crater 
there, very small one, and it doesn't have the appearance 
of a hummocky crater rim to it at all and it looks like 
the material just kind of spreads out all over the area 
but it doesn't have a hummocky appearance to it. I'll 
take a look at that again when I come back - on back 
around on the other side. There's a small mound down in 
the bottom of the crater also that's a domical shape 
structure in the bottom of that small crater. It's 
right next to J 3, it's north of J 3. 

CAPCOM Roger, Ron. 

SC Coming in I can see the landing site 

now, quite well. The appearance of the slide area 
definitely shows up. The South Massif seems to have a 
sudden shining right on the walls. I'm looking for any 
type of layering or any thing like that and can't see 
anything that - would show that up. The big difference 
between the Massif stuctures and the Sculptured Hills is 
that the Massifs look like they're are a steeper slope 
and they don't seem to have a type of covering over them 
like the Sculptured Hills do. I'm right over, now, the 
Scarp definitely cuts up through the North Massif - I 
can't see continuation on into the South Massif at all, 
but you can definitely see a vertical exaggeration as 
it cuts on around up over the North Massif and it's almost - 
I'd have to take another look at it for sure, but it almost 
looks like a flow coming from Family or in the vicinity 
in the direction of Family - not Family Mountain, but 
from the direction of Family Mountain - lapping up on the 
side of the North Massif is the way that it looks as you 
go on by it. I couldn't see anything that would lead you 
to believe that the slide area, so to speak, would come 
on across anything that would be the source of that 
slide area. I still think I can see the, one spot that 
has a lighter albedo than the surrounding area there in 
the Pentagon complex and it's pretty close to the - let 
me get my chart out here and take a look at it again. No 
it still looks like that area that is blown away there is 
Dog November, between Dog November and Dog Pappa and 
about 83 point 4 or something like that. 

CAPCOM Copy. 

SC Yeah, just like the map shows in all 

the pictures, you've got a definite demarcation in the 
annulus around Serenitatis there as you look by the Sulpicius 
Gallus area. As you look at it, I'm going to have to take 
another check on it, but the dark annulus looks to me like 
it's raised above the mare proper itself. I'll check that a 
little more as we come on across. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 17:52CST 116:58GET CM34 / 1 



AMERICA You know all those rilles to the north - I 

mean to the west of Sulpicius Gallus , there's a bunch of criss- 
crossing them - right on the edge of Serenitatis basin I don't 
remember the name of that crater - I'm going to look it up later 
but they've got slightly raised rims around the rilles. You 
can see some layering down inside the rille itself in the east- 
west and the one that runs in the east-west direction. 

CAPCOM Roger, you're talking about near Manilius? 

AMERICA Well, I'll have to look on the map and see 

for sure what the crater is but there's an impact crater right 
on the edge of Serenitatis basin right on the terminator right 
n ow . 

CAPCOM 
AMERI CA 
of that crater 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
T stop time ? 

AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 



Ro ger . 

And then those rilles 

Roger. It's probably 

I think it is. 

Okay, Ron, is the pan 



are just on the north 
Menelaus, Menelaus. 



camera 



off at the 



Pan camera to stand by T stop time 
Okay, is it now' 



Roger, just a little bit past it. 
Oh, okay. Thank you. Okay, pan camera, 



stand by. Thank you. That's the first 
look at the Moon, you know? 

Ro g e r . 

Those guys wouldn't 



CAP COM 
AMERICA 
win dows . 

CAP COM 
calling you if 
AME RICA 
CAPCOM 
camera off 



chance I've had to 

let me look at the 
don ' t mind 



p an 
ing 
the 
ing 



Roger, that's all right. We 
you don't mind getting the call. 
No, not in the least. 

Ron, I'll give you a cue here shortly for 
I just want you to know we will not be retract- 
the mapping camera, therefore, we will not be be closing 
mapping camera lens altimeter cover. But we will be dump- 



Over 



o p en 



you re 



normally 
AMERICA 
is what 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
disappears anyhow - 



mapper 



it all 
I don' t 



Okay, we're going to dump with our 
s ay in g , h uh ? 
That's affirmative. 

Okay. It kind of looks to me like 
just kind of leavse the spacecraft 
think anything comes around or even sticks around. 

CAPCOM Roger. At your convenience, high gain to 

aut o . 

AMERICA You have high gain to auto. 

CAPCOM Thank you, sir. 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 17:52CST 116:58GET CM 34/2 



AMERICA Okay, this orbital science photo is coming 

up here. Do I use magazine KK still, or shall we finish up 
Oscar Oscar? 

CAPCOM Stand by, Ron. I'm checking with Tommy on 

that one. Ron, they'd like you to use mag KK on that. 
AMERICA Okay. 

CAP COM As long as you're looking at the flight 

plan there at 117:20 where that mapping camera stuff just 
delete mapping camera retract and mapping camera lens altimeter 
cover closed at 117:25. 

AMERICA Okay, delete mapping camera retract and 

mapping camera measure altimeter to close. 

CAP COM Roger. 

AMERICA Okay. Magazine KK is starting with 21 

pic ture s . 

CAP COM Roger, we copy. 

AMERICA Okay, Bob, if you would give me a call when 

you get ready for that mapping camera stuff. Those guys 
shoved off this morning and I've got to sample there busses. 

CAP COM Yeah, Ro g Ron, we'll give you a call - 

first there will probably be a pan camera call here shortly 
and then I'll call you when it's time for those H2 purge line 
heaters and things like that. 

AMERICA Okay. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 GET 117:08 CST 18:02 CM 35/1 

CAPCOM Okay, Ron, pan camera power OFF. 

SC Okay, pan camera power - let's see - pan 

camera power is OFF. 

CAP COM Thank you sir. 

SC Good. Yeah, this ia not so bad if you 

think of iced tea I guess. 

CAPCOM Roger. For your information, Ron, Gene s 

out on the surface right now. 

5C Oh yeah, hey great. Did they confirm my 

positionyet? 

CAP COM I don't - let me check here, I don't think 

we have it down exactly - you're pretty dern close to it, and 
that's for sure. 

SC You know, it's funny it wasn't as bright, 

that pass over - this last pass as it was the time before. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 GET 117:18 CST 1812 CM-36/1 



CAPCOM Hope you haven't - hope you haven't 

spilled any, and by the way, LMP is on surface circuits now, too. 
America, Houston, you can go with the H 2 purge line heaters 
now. America, Houston. 

AMERICA Houston, America, go ahead. 

CAP COM Rog, you can go with the H 2 purge line 

heaters for the rest of the flight plan. 

AMERICA Okay. Well, what do you know. Looks like 

the heaters have been on. 

CAPCOM Roger, we kind of suspected that. 

AMERICA Okay. Okay, let's see. Mapping camera 

can come off. 30 seconds. Okay, mapping camera's going on 
standby. Pitch motion is off. Altimeter, laser altimeter is 
off. UV is off. IR is off. Okay. UV cover box. UV covers 
closed. Barber pole gray. IR covers closed. Barber pole 
gray. Okay. Laser camera altimeter - leave that one open. 

CAP COM Good show, Ron. 

AMERICA Okay, and then it's my understanding you 

don't want to do any dumping until I go on the backside of the 
Moon, is that correct? 

CAPCOM That's affirm, Ron. 

AMERICA Okay. 

CAP COM According to the flight plan you'll do it 

at 117:50 right about that time. 

AMERICA Okay, will do. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 CST 18:22 GET 117:28 CM-37/1 



SC Bob, one little note of surprise 

I had this morning, wanted to make a note so I wouldn't 
forget about it, was when you go to Tunnel Vent, it takes 
a heck of a long time to vent, that tunnel. In a simulator 
down there you go to tunnel vent and pssst, you know, and 
it flips right down and vents. I was beginning to wonder 
if it was leaking or something. 

CAPCOM Roger. 

SC As it turned out, it worked all right, 

but I bet it took a good 10 minutes to get up to 3 point 5 
before I could turn the jets back on, you know. 

CAP COM Roger. 

SC Oh, that's right, you know. 

CAPCOM Ron, just one reminder as you go 

around the horn here. The waste water, the way - the 
position it's in - it will probably take between 10 and 12 
minutes to dump it completely, or dump it to your 10 
per cent number. 

SC Oh, okay, that's good. I'll - be- 

sides, I don't have anybody to watch it for me this time. 

CAP COM Yeah, that's right, we wont be able to 

call you on that from 8 per cent. 

SC (laughter) Okay, I'll put my old 

timer on. 

CAP COM Hey, Ron, 1 other reminder, we noticed 

in the flight plan that you may get real busy just prior 
to that orbital planned photo and ECOM would like to 
make sure the H2 purge line heaters off as scheduled at 
118: 02 . 

SC Uh, Okay, Be sure if it's in there, yeah, 

okay, it's in the flight plan. Okay. 

CAP COM Rog, it's in the flight plan but it's 

just before you're going to get busy on that orbital 
planned photo, you might of - you might go to the window 
early or something like that. 

SC Oh, okay. That's a good point. 

CAPCOM And your friends out on the surface 

have got the Rover out now and starting to load it up and 
getting ready to check it out. 

SC Hey, great. 

CAP COM Surface work is going really good. 

They're just a little bit behind time line from their 
suiting up exercise but it doesn't make a whole lot of 
di f f e ren ce . 

SC Uh hu, uh hu. 250 lives on that thing. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 GET 117:38 CST 1832 CM-38/1 



CAPCOM Ron, you're 5 minutes to LOS here and you're 

looking real good all around the room. No problems on any 
systems that we can see. We'll see you at 118:29 and we'll 
be with you for another 5 minutes. 

AMERICA 118:29, okay, okay. I think I'll have a little 

grape drink . 

CAPCOM Just remember what Jan says, don't spill 

it on your flight suit. 

AMERICA Heh, heh, heh, right. Did I miss lunch or 

was I supposed to get any lunch today? 

CAP COM I don't - That wasn't on my shift but if you're 

hungry, why don't you eat something? 

AMERICA (Laughter) That's what I'm doing. 

CAPCOM It's been a long time since lunch. 

AMERICA I've been nibbling. 

AMERICA Yeah. Long time since breakfast, I think, 

wasn ' t it ? 

CAPCOM I think it was and you've got about 4 more 

hours until scheduled eat time so you've got some lunar sounder 
work there at about 119 or sc, so you might as well consider 
eating a lot. 

AMERICA Yeah, I could eat dinner. I'm kind of 

nibbling a little bit. 

CAPCOM Just want to make sure you don't lose your 

scissors too. 

AMERICA Yeah, this time I got them snapped to the 

hand controller and stuck in the little thing around it. I 
don't know how I lost those things. 

CAPCOM Roger. 

AMERICA I didn't like that big string on there all 

the time. I didn't like that big string always getting all 
over the place so I rolled the string up on the snap and stuck 
the scissors in that little bungee that's on the hand controller. 

AMERICA I woke up the next morning and they were 

gone. I still think it's behind the optics. 

CAPCOM Just don't go look at them. Okay. We'll 

find them pre to postflight, okay? 

AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM Hey, Ron, I don't know what Tommy's got 

against you but they just never scheduled an eat period in 
here. We checked this out so thoroughly, we forgot to check it 
and see if there was an eat period in there. 

AMERICA Heh, heh, well, we probably weren't hungry 

when we checked it out. 

CAPCOM Rog. You've got a lunar sounder HF pass 

at 19 - starting at 119 for flight - actually for two - no - one 
hour, you could probably grab some feed - food in that time. 

AMERICA Okay. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 GET 118:27 CST 19:21 CM 39/1 



CAPCOM 

sc 

CAPCOM 
Your friends are out on 
picture coming from the 
SC Hey 
CAP COM And 



America, Houston. 
Houston, America. Go ahead. 
Okay, just wanted to make sure you're 



the surface and we've got live TV 
Mo on . 
great. 

Bob just passed word that they've 



the scissors up there, but they found them under 
They almost lost a pair too. 
SC 



the dirt 



there . 



dropp e d 
awh i le . 



one pair too, 
CAP COM 
SC 

CAPCOM 
S C 

CAPCOM 
subdued rings 
SC 

yet. 



(Laughter) Oh, come on now. They've only got 
I think. Unless both of them ended up over there. 

You getting some good pictures (garbled) Ron? 



of 



Yeah, I sure did 
Out of curiosity 
Almost missed it 
Right . 
Arab la? 



No 



When you came by 
haven't had a real 



Arabia did you see the 
chance to look at those 



an 



CAPCOM 

SC 

CAP COM 
TEI 26 pad and 
SC 

CAP COM 
will you go 
SC 

CAPCOM 
SC 

do a TEI - what 
CAPCOM 
SC 

CAP COM 
139 41 14 32 NOUN 



Ro g e r , 
Okay , 
Ro ger 



do - 



magazine SS is full. 

copy. Ron, anytime you're ready I' 
Earth shine photo pad. 
Let me see - do do do 
Ron, if you've got 
to RE ACQ and NARROW? 

Okay . Good idea. 
Good show, Ron. 



ve got 



the 1/2 scale on high gain, 
RE ACQ and NARROW. 



TEI 2 6 



Ta ta ta - Okay, let's see, I guess I ought to 
did you say it was? 26? 
That's affirm, Ron. 
Okay, ready to copy 
TEI 26, FDS G&N 376 
81 plus 245 07 minus 



30 
2 09 



plus 05 3 plus 
78 minus 080 71 



09 7 
roll 



187 pitch 104 yaw 323 rest of the pad is not applicable. Good 
(garbled) 133 200 030 OH 4 jets 12 seconds. VOX to the Moon 
at TIG will be minus 160 39. Over. 



l s 
old 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENATRY 12/1.1/72 CST 19:31 GET 118:37 CM-40 



SC Okay, say again the longitude - 

CAPCOM Roger, Ron, it's minus, minus 160 

de imal 39 . 

CAPCOM Okay, read back, TE I 26 that's 

PS G&N 37630 plus 053 plus 097 139 41 14 32 and 81 
plus 24507 minus 20978 minus 08 071 roll 187 104 323. 3.5 
in rotational 133 200 030, 4 jet 12 seconds, lunar longitude 



05, 



at tick is minus 


160 point 39. 




CAPCOM 


Good read back, 


Ron, and the air 


sign photo pad is at 121 05 in the 


flight plan. 


SC 


Ok ay , stand by, 


just a second. 121 


huh? 






CAP COM 


That's affirmative. 


S C 


Okay , h ave it . 




CAP COM 


Roger. T-start 


1 2 1 03 59. 


SC 


Okay, T-start 1 


2 1 03 59. 


CAPCOM 


An d , Ron, we'd 


like the recorder 


ON on the lunar 


c oun te r . 




S C 


Okay, recorder 


ON. 


S C 


La do da. 




CAPCOM 


Just talked to 


the home front, Ron, 



and I guess some of you guys will do any thing to get 
out from - get away from putting up outdoor Christmas 
decorations. All the neighbors are outside putting up 
your Christmas decorations tonight. Pretty bad when you 
have to travel 250,000 thousand miles - 

SC Well, I'll be darn, that's uh - uh, 

(laughter) yeah, that's pretty darn nice of the neighbors, 
though, I think. 

CAPCOM And the Putnam cat is home so you've 

got the whole neighorhood back now. 

SC Is there any rest? 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 GET 118:47 CST 1941 CM-41/1 



AMERICA Okay, finally got mag ZZ in the old Nikon. 

CAPCOM Roger Looking at the flight plan, Ron, 

you're coming up on selecting on the Bravo and setting up the 
high gain, hard powering it off and getting ready for the lunar 
sounder receive only inspection here. 

AMERICA OKAY. Okay, 49 OMNI Bravo (garble). High 

gain (garble) 54 - 

CAPCOM And roger, friends down there said that 

they could see you on the VHF loud and clear. 

AMERICA I was just curious, I don't hear them. I 

thought maybe I could hear them. Yeah, I'm having a ball down 
he re , guy s . 

CAPCOM Hey, Ron, we look like we're about 30 seconds 

in front of update. Right there, on update. 
AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM And we're not going to have to number any 

calls here for a good 40 minutes so this would be a good time 
to catch up on your meal that you missed there this morning, 
Ron . 

AMERICA (laughter) Okay. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 19:51CST 118:57GET CM42/1 



CAP COM 
tank 3 fans to off. 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 
flash is - where he 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 
Is that correct? 

CAP COM 
Grimaldi E and just 
Grimaldi B right in 

AME RICA 



Ron, when you 



Okay, H2 tank 
Ro ger . 

Hey, Bob, did 
saw that light flashing? 
Roger . 

Let's see, I've got a mark 



get a chance we'd like H2 
3 fans are of f . 
Jack call down where that 



next to Riciolli G 



That's affirmative, 
a little bit to the 
that area. 

Okay, we put it just - 



We circled it at 
east and north of 



the 



call 
the 



just a little x 
oh about the diameter of Riccioli G - west of Riciolli G. 

CAPCOM Okay, that's probably - he didn't ever 

the - I'll ask FAO here - but I don't think he ever called 
actual coordinates on it. I'll ask FAO. That's probably close 
enough - It's probably (garbled) with it. 

AMERICA Oh yeah, (garbled) - You'll never believe 

it but I saw a light just flashing down there too. (garbled) 
Did you hear that? 

CAPCOM Rog. 
occured to us - could you 
flashes just while you're 
get that effect? 

AMERICA Well, 
my s e 1 f . 

CAPCOM As (garbled) says, he thinks that he has 

seen something similar to that and possibly thought it was 
that and we were thinking maybe it was fooling Jack, but it 
won't hurt to take a picture of the area anyway. 

Oh yeah, I will try taking a picture of it 
- agree that's probably what it was. 

Well, we're just guessing just like every- 
n ow we're just kicking that around. 

(chuckle) Okay. Nothing showing up on the 
so it's pretty silent. 
Well, you have to remember 



I heard that Ron. The thought that 
be seeing the - those cosmic ray 
looking at the lunar surface and 

that's just what I was wondering 



b ut 



AME RI CA 
I think I 
CAP COM 
body else but 

AMERICA 
seismometer anyhow 
CAPCOM 



on that seismo- 



meter, on at least the one for Jack's call, the S-IVB had just 
clobbered the seismometer and that there was some small impact 
that if it was getting in the mud we wouldn't have seen it. 
AMERICA Oh, okay. Sure. 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 GET 119:07 CST 2001 CM-43/1 



CAPCOM Ron, I know you're wondering - all the data 

so far on the lunar sounder has come out real good and the HF 
pass is looking real good. 

AMERICA Oh, that's dandy, hey that's great. Let's 

hope something is going on the film. 

CAPCOM Thats - roger on that. We sure hope so. 

AMERICA (laughter) Oh, I'm sure it is. 

CAPCOM Let's take another look at Copernicus as 

you ease into AOS. 

AMERICA Just stuck my head out the window, I got to 

find it. There it is right here. (garble). I'm not sure you 
can really tell Tycho through there or not. 

CAPCOM Roger, I understand. 

AMERICA You know, light and dark albedos show up 

real well. You can see some indication of terrain, that is 
hilliness or ferrels or gabbros or rilles, plus the fresh 
craters show up a lot whiter with respect to the surrounding 
territory than I think they do in the bright side, you know - 
with the Sun shining on them. 

CAPCOM Roger. Gene became the first auto mechanic 

on the Moon because one of the rear fenders fell off the Rover 
right after they deployed it and he had to tape it on with 
t ap e . 

AMERICA (laughter) Oh, he did? Well, they were 

pretty much sure those things would fall off, anyhow. 

CAPCOM Yeah, they were willing to bet on it. 

AMERICA (garble) 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 GET 119:17 CST 20:11 CM 



call it 



S C 

w indow 3 . 

CAP COM 

SC 

I guess . 

CAP COM 
that why they 

SC 

looks like an 
CAP COM 
SC 

in the crater 
CAP COM 
SC 

CAP COM 
a number of pictures 



And I can see Riner gamma real well out 



Ro ger . 

I s ho ul d be 



able to get that the next rev, 



Ro ge r . 



Looks like a 



a gamma 



Yeah, it sure does 
elongated crater in this 
Roger . 

You know, with the 



gamma up there, is 
know, it almost 



You 
light 



gamma part of it in the 



rim . 



Right . 

And I'm sure it isn't that way. 

We can get both of those - we got 2 

to be taken in your next rev, but 



- or 
we go t 



that 
find 
you 



s e q uen ce 
S C 

Ri ccio li . 
C AP C OM 
go on your 
SC 



on Copernicus 
Ah ha. 
I should be 
Ge t ting 
track? 

Yeah, it 



plus on Riner gamma there. 
Okay. Well, now I'll see if I 
able to see Grimaldi I think, 
pretty easy to locate yourself 



can 



as 



starting to get 



that way . But 

it' s not as good as I want it yet. Every once in a while I 
can look out the window and you don't have the slightest idea 
where you are. 

Righ t . 

Yeah, I can see Grimaldi and Riccioli 
Just passing over the edge of the Mare (garble 
Roger. How did you say the Grimaldi Mare 



CAPCOM 
SC 

coming up now. 

CAP COM 
there ? 

SC 

CAP COM 
SC 

the Mare and the 
That' s what they 



Yeah, I can see it coming up. 
Okay . 

It'a a pretty stark difference between 
- you might as well call them an island, 
look like. East of Protagorus. I can see 



where you get through to Grimaldi. 

SC Okay, I'm going to switch 

Little better to try and get some pictures. 



t o window 3 



CAP COM 
S C 
S C 

continue on 
CAP COM 



across 



Roger. 

Too much glare on the window. 
Okay, Bob, that is correct now you want 
here the 15th huh? 
Ro ger . 



to 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 CST 20:21 GET 119:27 CM-45/1 



CAP COM 
picture 
you get 
SC 

CAPCOM 
S C 

I think, 
CAPCOM 
SC 
th ink . 

CAPCOM 
SC 



your 
when 



that , 



Okay, Ron, don't want to interrupt 
taking, but we need to check out the (garble) 
a chance. 

Okay. There you go. 
Good show. 

Say, I can only take 18 pictures on 
can't I. 

Say again, Ron. 

They'll only take 18 pictures, I 



xn 



flashes down 



Ro ger . 

Oops (laughter). Going around 
here by yourself you get to be a square. 

SC Well, I didn't see any 

there that time. 

CAP COM Roger. 

CAPCOM Hey, you're looking good, Ron, 

right on the flight plan we haven't missed a thing 
don't think, and in really good shape. 

Well, okay, good. I'll tell you 
more hustling up here than I thought there 
tho ugh . 

Keeping you busy, huh. 
(laughter) yeah, a little bit. 
it's f un . 
Jus t don ' t 



you 
yet 



re 



t o day , I 

SC 

a little 
would be 

CAP COM 

S C 

That' s all right , 

CAPCOM 
up there. 

SC 

Mag Zebra Zebra, I 
planned. Took two 
fourth, then an eighth 
50 instead of 60. 

CAP COM 

AME RI CA 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 
throughout except 

CAP COM 

CAPCOM 



want you to get lonely 



(laughter) Sure won't, 
guess. Turns out just 
each at one second and 
And took that on 



Okay, that was 
like we had it 
a half, then a 
this camera at a 



That's good, and 150. 
Then the rest of them. 
Yeah. 

The rest of them are one sixth - 15 0 
the last two. They're put at the half, 
Okay . 

I'll get a confirmation on (garble) 
but I think when we get on to (garble) camera on that 
pass we'll probably switch to Delta. We're not going to 
have enough film left to run out over Riccioli and that 
area, which you've already taken. That's why we didn't 
take these now. Because when we come up there to this 
next pass you won' t have enough film. 
AMERICA Oh, I see. Okay. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 GET 119:37 CST 2031 CM-46/1 

AMERICA Let's see while I got the camera out. I'll 

have to look again, to see what - what the mag to put in there. 

WW, I guess, huh? , 
CAPCOM Yes, that's affirmed. WW on the (garble). 

AMERICA Okay (garble). 

CAP COM (garble) coram get's pretty bad down here with 

us. We're going lose you in about 4 minutes, maybe 5 later We 
might be able to pick you back up 120:28 thereabouts, 120:28. 

AMERICA 120:28, okay, I'll see you then. 

CAPCOM Ton you're about to go over the hills. 

You're looking really good. 

AMERICA Okay, Robert, thank you much. See you m 

about 45 minutes then, I guess. 

CAPCOM That's affirmative. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 21:20CST 120:26GET CM47/1 



AMERICA 

CAPCOM 

A ME RICA 

AMERICA 
just about at half 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 
on frame number 54 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 
on frame 5 3 . 

CAP COM 



GARBLE. 

Oh, Ron now's it going up there? 
Hey, pretty good, Robert. 

Hey frontal flow pass was a good one. And 
an Earth now. 
Ro ger . 

Houston, America. The mag Lima Lima is 
now . 

Okay, Ron, we copy, Lima Lima on 54. 

And mag - and mag Quebec Quebec is starting 

Roger, we copy. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/72 2.1:30 CST 120:36 GET CM-48/1 



AMERICA Uh , Houston, America. I'm going to 

unplug you for a little bit, I'm so tangled up in the hoses here 

I could strangle to death. 

CAPCOM Okay, no problem, Ron. Just give us a call 

when you're back on the air. Okay? 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 CST 21:40 GET 120:46 CM49/1 



give 



you 



AMERICA Houston, you need OMNI BRAVO yet? Will you 

me a call when you want it. 

CAPCOM Roger, Ron. We'll give you a call. 

CAPCOM You can go OMNI BRAVO now, Ron. 

AMERICA Okay. You have it. 

CAPCOM Okey doke. 

CAP COM Ron, if you're right there, we'd like 

to take the H2 tank 2 fans to OFF, please. 
AMERICA Okay, H2 tank 2 fans to OFF. 

AMERICA You know, from the pictures of Maraldi 

Gamma, it looked to me like it might have been some sort of 
- maybe even a volcanic dome or some kind. Would you look 
at it up here now, and compare it with the rest of the sur- 
rounding material, it looks just like any of the other 
sculptured hills. They have small domical structures on it 
and the same type of material that carries on through south 
of Maraldi. And it looks like maybe some kind of a mare fill 
has come in and filled up Maraldi itself, you can see flow 
lines - it looks like - going down into Maraldi from Tran- 
quillitatis. Now the impact or the craters that are inside 
Maraldi - they're smaller type craters - and they have a 
definite bluish tinge to the halo that comes out as opposed 
to the bright - most of the bright craters or white type 
thing - and those are more of a darkish bluish tinge to 
CAP COM Roger, Ron. 

AMERICA And oddly enough, that's the same type 

bluish tinge that you see right in the landing site right 
now. And the pentagon complex MOCR shows up that same type 
of a bluish tinge to it. 

CAPCOM Roger, did you have any luck locating the 

LM area in the (garble) 

AMERICA I didn't even see that bright 

anymore. I know where to look for it and I don't 
it . 

Roger, understand. 

The South Massif just went into a 



them. 

of 



too 



t i on 



C - 

The 
p ut 



CAP COM 

AME RI C A 

so - 

CAPCOM 

down h e re , 

AMERICA 

CAPCOM 
the 
one 



spot th ere , 
even see 



hole 



Ron 



Roger, our best estimate of their loca- 
ls 83 - delta mike 83 - delta mike 83. 
Delta mike 83, huh. 

Yes, and that's seen on the southeast 
FEC with the landing site and the first EVA on it. 
- the 25000 grid map on the - one of those you had 



in at the 
AME RICA 
CAP COM 
tures coming up 



th ere 



last minute 
Okay . 

And I assume 
at 121 right? 



you're set up for the pic- 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 CST 21:40 GET 120:46 CM49/2 

AMERICA Yes, it's funny, I can see Bessel, but 

I be durned if I can see a vertigan ray going across it - I 
mean a tyco ray - vertigan ray I guess. 

CAPCOM I think you were right the first time, 

weren ' t you? 

AMERICA Yes, it's a tyco ray. 

CAP COM Ron, I'm sorry, I missed this last time, 

would you give me a hack when you start on the earthshine 
photos on P17 - The Copernicus one. I'll time your 30 seconds 
for you down here - save you a look at the clock, and - 

AMERICA Oh, okay, hey, that's a good idea. 

CAP COM I guess -- even though it's the third time 

we've passed it at the time the group wanted to remind you 
that when you pass Eratosthenes - is a good time to be looking 
Into the heart of Copernicus there. Remember from the map 
th e re . 

AMERICA Okay, that's a good idea, thank you. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 21:50 CST 120:56 GET CM50/1 



CAPCOM Were you able to see the scow Galois 

ridge there, Ron? 

AMERICA Yeah, man oh man, that thing really 

sticks up there. I'm trying to estimate the height of it 
with respect to one of those craters down there. I still 
can't get over the difference in color in the annulus 
around Serenitatis. Yeah, that thing is really apparent. 

CAP COM Roger. 

AMERICA And it looks like the color - the color 

distinction stops right at this ridge here just as we're 
going into the sunset right now. 

CAP COM Roger. 

AMERICA I'm trying to determine the flow with 

respect to those ridges, if there is such a thing. Let's 
look at it again when we come around the next time. Okay, 
QQ has got 69 frames. 

CAPCOM Roger. 

CAPCOM Okay, Ron, you're about 2 minutes from 

T-start time. But again 5 to T-start time with respect to 
the crater, Aristoteles. 

AMERICA Okay, why don't 

me a foot gouge when I should be at 
CAP COM Okay, I'll give 

first frame is - 



you just kind of give 
Aristoteles. (laughter). 



call and of course, 



Okay . 
Okay , 

Okay , 
Okay, 



10 seconds on though, 



your 

AMERICA 

CAPCOM 
you'll take 2 frames 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
from T start time. 

AMERI CA 

CAP COM 
You're about 

AMERICA Okay, 
swit ch to half . 

CAPCOM Okay, 

AMERICA Okay, 

CAPCOM Okay, 
here . Mark it . 

AMERICA Okay. 
I'm just not fast enough, 

CAPCOM Okay, 
You should be a 1/8 right 

AMERICA Start 

AMERICA Yeah, 
to count quick. 

CAPCOM Okay, 

AMERICA Okay, 



I'll take it off. 
First frame is Fl, 



2 for one second 



Ron, you're about 30 seconds 



I think we got her. 

just give me a call when 



you st art , 



Stand by. 3 2 1 mark it. Okay, 

Mark i t . 
s e conds 



c ome 
good . 
coming 



up on 30 seconds. 
To a fourth. 

another 30 



up on 
I' 



Okay, I m down to a fifteenth. 
Bob, so here's a 1 on a fifteenth 
you're one ahead on the frame, 
n ow . 

my times from there. 

I've already passed it so I had 



here you are 
tell me when 



1/8 here, 
to do it. 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 21:50 CST 120:56 GET CM50/2 



AMERICA Okay? Rest of them 1/8? 

CAPCOM No, one sixteenth - one fifteenth. 

AMERICA Okay, give me a hack every 30 seconds 

CAPCOM Okay. 

CAP COM Well, Okay. 

AMERICA Or whatever tell us which windows. 

CAP COM Hack it. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 CST 22:00 GET 121:06 CM- 51/1 



AMERICA 
CAP COM 
CAP COM 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 



(garble) which windows. 
Hack it. 

Coming up to 30 seconds. MARK it 
Coming up on another mark, Ron. 
Okay . 

Just a reminder. 



up to empty and (garble) you probably 



The end of this 
reviewed that. 



Hack it . 
line goes 



AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
CAP COM 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
mark here. MARK 
AMERI CA 
CAP COM 
2 more sets of 2 
got 4 more to go , 

AMERI CA 
ri ght . 

CAP COM 
switch windows to 
2 more to go here 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
CAP COM 
there now. 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
have you got 
AME RICA 
CAP COM 
AME RICA 
CAPCOM 



Okay . 
Coming up 
Coming up 
Okay, Ron. 
Okay . 
Okay , Ron 



an other 
another 
MARK 



mark . 
mark . 
i t . 



Hack 
MARK 



it . 



You'll be coming up on another 



it 



Good . 

Okay, according to 
frames each to take. 
I b el ie ve . 

Okay, I want to get 



my calculations, you get 
You've taken 20 and you've 

some for Reiner Gamma 



Roger. As soon as you do that, you just 



o ut 



or 



Re ine r 
Co ining 

should 
targe t 



Gamma - you ve got 
up on another 30 seconds 



be ab 1 e 
p i c ture . 



to see Encke 



then. 

En eke 



you don 1 t have 
as soon as you 
1 second, 2 at 

AMERICA 
on Eratosthenes? 

CAPCOM 



the onside and 
Here we go. 
All right . 
MARK it. 
You probably 
That's your last 

Okay. Switch over to window 3, 
Okay, you take that last one on 
2 more to go on Encke there. 

I've only got 19 frames left, so - 
Okay. That's the last MARK there. 
Same thing on the Eratosthenes. Okay. 
Okay, Ron. On these Reiner Gamma pictures 
to wait 30 seconds. You just shoot the frames 
get a good view there. Shoot 
1/2, 2 at 1/4 and 2 at 1/8. 

Okay. Would you believe 
And also on Copernicus. 

Ro g . That's what you were suppose to 



2 frames at 
that's what I did 
do 



on the Copernicus. So, you remembered better than me on that 
one. It wasn't 30 seconds 'till start 'till after Copernicus. 

AMERICA (Laughter). Yeah. Well, I made a mistake 

too, I thought Eratosthenes was Copernicus. Well, we've got 
a series on Eratosthenes and also a series on Copernicus. So, 
we're in good shape. 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 CST 22:00 GET 121:06 CM-51/2 



CAPCOM Okay. You should be seeing gamma about now 

shouldn' t you. 

AMERICA Yeah but. I don't see it yet. 

CAP COM Okay. 

CAPCOM Ron, You can just run this mag all the way to 

out to Frame 40 after you finish on gamma and you can just 
finish on out that line, up towards Riccioli and then run 
off to Frame 40 and stow it. 

AMERICA Okay, will do. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 22:10 CST 121:16 GET CM-52 

(All dead air) 

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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12-11-72 22:20CST 121:26GET CM53/1 



CAPCOM Okay, Ron, did you get that mag finished up? 

AMERICA Okay, all but one picture. And I was going to ti 

to take one of Orientale. That's going to be one there just right 
on the edge. 

CAP COM Okay. 

AMERICA So I'm just kind of looking out the window now. 

Why do you have some flight plan stuff? 

CAPCOM I've only got one minor flight plan and that's 

all so anytime you're ready you don't - you know don't tear yourself 
away from the window as long as you can see anything here. 

AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM We would like you to select on the alpha. 

AMERICA On the alpha. 

CAPCOM And if you're looking at it and see anything 

interesting we wouldn't mind hearing about it. 



AMERICA 
of course, is the 
and what have you 
type of a pattern 

CAP COM 

CAPCOM 
it getting pretty 

AMERICA 
kind of amazes 

CAPCOM 

AMERI CA 

CAP COM 



me 



Okay. Well, the big difference, right in here, 
- is the ejecta - the radial furrows and ridges 
from Orientale. There doesn't seem to be that 
at all on the backside. 
Ro ger . 

Can you still see things on 
black down there? 

Actually, you can still see 
It's almost like - you know 
Ro ge r . 

Pretty soon the shadows get 
I'll tell you we've got the 



Earthside or is 

it. That ' s why i t 
sunrise and sunset. 

longer and longer, 
television screen 



here - 



AMERICA 
CAPCOM 



Ok ay that's my 
Roger. You're 



last picture on 
going to have a 



i t . 

couple of 



AMERICA 
CAP COM 
times and they're 
AMERI CA 
CAPCOM 



di r ty 

dir 



companions when they come back up - I'll tell you. 

AMERICA (laughter) What are they doing - getting all 

Well I think they did fall down a couple of 
black all over. 

Yeah, it looked like a dark area down there. 
Yeah, they sure are dirty. Okay, Ron, I - in 
the flight plan at 133:12 way on ahead you just might mark this 
down somewhere - it's a real simple mapping camera laser altimeter 
cover open and mapping camera extend, you'll just delete those 
since they are already there. 



AMERICA 

CAPCOM 
ume of the flight 

AMERICA 
vo lume out. 

CAPCOM 
ping camera laser 
delete those two 



Okay, let's see - where was that now about 131? 
133:12 it's in the other volume - the next vol- 
p 1 an . 

No. I'll just write it down. I don't have that 

Yeah, just mapping is delete - delete the map- 
altimeter open and mapping camera extend - just 
functions . 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12-11-72 22:20CST 121:26GET CM53/2 



CAPCOM You remember, it's all ready out and the cover 

is staying open because it's out. 

AMERICA Oh, okay, and that's about 131, huh? 

CAP COM 133:12 - 133: 12. 

AMERICA Okay. 133 plus 12. 

CAPCOM And Ron, we made a trip around the room here 

and see if pan systems are all go - all look good and the lunar 
sounder looks good also. 

AMERICA Okay, real fine. I guess I'll grab a bite to 

eat down here pretty quick. 

CAPCOM Yeah, do that will you. Sorry you missed that 

other one . 

AMERICA (Laughing) Oh, I filled in every once in a 

while so that's not too bad. 

CAPCOM Good enough. And just a reminder, which is in 

the flight plan - the DSE voice recorders on the backside will not 
be dumped. 

AMERICA Oh, okay. 

CAPCOM And Ron the reason why we've got all the H2 

fans off now is we're trying to get the pressures to drop some and 
we'll come up with a sleep configuration this next half. 

AMERICA Oh, okay. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 22:30 CST 121:36 GET CM-54/1 

(All dead air) 

END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 23:17 CST 122:24 GET CM-55/1 



AMERICA Houston, America. Has there been call up s ? 

CAPCOM Guide on. 

AMERICA Okay, I had my headset off here and I 

wasn't paying much attention when AOS came. 

CAP COM Oh, I wasn't even talking - listening for 
you, I was talking to your wife. 

AMERICA Oh, okay. 

CAPCOM You get a decent meal? 

AMERICA Well, it wasn't too bad. 

CAPCOM Jan says - 

AMERICA Turkey and gravy. 

CAP COM Jan says she's - you're the last person 
she'd ever think would miss a meal up there. 

AMERICA (Laughter) That's probably true, really. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 23:27 CST 122:34 GET CM-56/1 



AMERICA (garble) 

CAPCOM Ron, are you up glued to a window or are you 

just eating now? 

AMERICA Well, I'm really just eating. 

CAPCOM Roger, I thought I'd update here before you 

get into your presleep checklist and have to get - I have a little 
bit of news from the day, but today's gone - 

AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM Sure not much news today. It's a good thing 

you guys made a landing today because there wouldn't be any news 
in the paper tomorrow if it wouldn't be for you all. 

AMERICA (Laughter) 

CAPCOM Let's see, Japanese Prime Minister Tanaka' s 

civil democrats lost 26 seats, but he still has a firm hold on 
the diet and Tanaka still has a firm majority. And Henry Kissinger 
and Le Due Tho ' s secret Paris peace talks have bogged down some 
more and they think they're under - bogged down under some academic 
situations. And the news out of Kansas City isn't too good. 
President Truman is - still has some irregular heartbeats and 
has reduced the optimism for his recovery. 

AMERICA Not too good. 

CAP COM And this last one has got to be the height 

of trivia. I'm just going to read it to you exactly the way it 
is. It's from Saigon. Question: What does an airforce enlisted 
man do when he meets a naked general? He salutes. An order 
Issued by Major Paul M. Bossman at Tan Son Nhut Air Base makes 
the requirement clearer. Salute when you recognize an officer 
even though you both are nude. An Airforce spokesman said he 
didn't know under what circumstances the officer and enlisted 
personnel might encounter - encounter each other in the nude. 
End of news for tonight. 

AMERICA (Laughter) New's little trivia, isn't it? 

CAPCOM Yeah, indeed. Everybody's from the home 

front sending their love. They had a little trouble hacking 
out the COMM since we're all on the squawk box together, so 
they're going to try and get it set up so just the CSM loop will 
go into your house tomorrow night. Tonight we had all of it and 
it was kind of a jumble for them. 

AMERICA (Laughter) I imagine so, wouldn't it. They 

can't turn one down and - or something, huh? 

CAP COM That's right. Well, they're going - they're 

going to try to work on it for tomorrow so that only the CSM 
loop will go in there. They just had to finally give up on it 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 23:27 CST 122:34 GET CM-56/2 



CAPCOM 
vision, ' cause over 

AMERI CA 

CAPCOM 
can delete the stir 
stir the cryo's and 
LOS here, the sleep 
to the ON position. 

AMERICA 



and go watch the - the surface work on tele- 
th e loop it was just too much. 
Yeah , I'll bet. 

When you get into the presleep checklist, you 
cryo's which is in the checklist. We won't 
then as you get further downstream closer to 
period, we'll have you turn the H2 tank 2 fan 

I'll give you a reminder on that. 
Okay . 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 CST 23:37 GET 122:44 CM57/1 



CAPCOM I'll give you a reminder on that. 

AMERICA Okay. 

AMERICA Okay, Houston, America. Bat C is about 
oh, 36.8 or 9 something like that. 

CAP COM Say again - 

AMERICA Pyro A is 37. 

CAPCOM Okay. 

AMERICA Pyro - okay, Pyro A is 37 , Pyro B 

is 37, bat C is oh 36.9. I think you want the quads, now, 
ri ght ? 

CAP COM Roger. 

AMERICA Okay, ALPHA is 82, 3RAV0 a 78, CHARLIE is 

80, DELTA is about 83. 

CAPCOM Roger, we got those and that matches 

pretty close what we've got right in front of us on those 
quads. You can go ahead and take the H2 tank 2 fans to ON, at 
th is t ime . 

AMERICA Okay. 

AMERICA Okay, tank 2 fans are ON, H2 , that 

i s . 

CAPCOM Roger. 

CAP COM And Ron, we'd like OMNI BRAVO. 

AMERICA Okay, you have OMNI BRAVO. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12-11-72 23:47CST 122:54GET CM58/1 
(All dead air) 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/11/72 CST 23:51 GET 123:04 CM59/1 

CAPGOM Say again, it's the one in the sleep 

checklist. You'll get to it at - you'll get to it down here 
at about 23-10. 

AMERICA Oh, okay. 

CAPCOM Sounds like some good music in the back- 

g ro un d th e re . 

AMERICA Yes, not too bad, really, (garble) 

CAPCOM Ron, if you're finished there, we'd like 

the - ACCEPT - we've got the (garble) on monitor load and 
we've got a state vector for you tonight.. 

AMERICA Okay, you have ACCEPT. 

CAP COM Roger. 

CAP COM FIDO showed me where they're plotting 

on doppler with those markdowns they're doing to you, they 
really have effect. 

AMERICA Oh, they are huh? 

CAPCOM Yes, you can really see when you're 

going right over Imbrium and Serenitatis. 
AMERICA (laughter) 

CAPCOM And just prior to getting into rest 

sleep, we can take battery B off the charge and terminate 
the charge. 

AMERICA Okay. 

AMERICA Okay, I checked out the tone booster 

and it's hooked up. 

CAPCOM Good show. 

AMERICA I guess I'd better clorinate the old 

water. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 00:04CST 123:14GET CM60/1 



Okay Ron you can go to block and the computer 
Okay, will do shortly. 

Okay, you want me to remind you again while 
you coordinate here. 

No - I'll get it out. 
Okay. Okay. The surface boys 
They have completed their EVA and 



CAP COM 
is yours. 

AMERICA 

CAPCOM 
you' re - after 

AMERICA 

CAPCOM 
back to the LM. 
they're driving back to the LM 



are on the way 
they're getting - 



AMERICA 
around on the 

CAPCOM 

AME RI CA 

CAP COM 
time at Station 1 a 
slightly short of 7 
deploying the ALSEP 
deal. 

AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
drill in the ground 



right now. 
They got out 



and did a little riding 



Hey , good , 
Rover, too, huh? 

That's right. They - 
And the ALSEP is all deployed? 
ALSEP is deployed. They had to cut their 
little bit. They've got to curtail the EVA 
hours due to - high oxygen usage during the 
It's only 15 minutes early so it's no big 



they each fell 
AMERICA 
AMERICA 

H2 fan on all 
CAPCOM 
AME RICA 
CAP COM 

you've got to 

comm when you' 
AMERICA 
AMERICA 



Oh, I see. That's not bad. 

No, Geno's working pretty hard putting that 
and there is some pretty difficult work and 
a couple of times so they were really pretty busy 
(Laughte r) . 
Are we going 
the time . 

tank 2 fan ON for all night 



to leave tank 3-1 mean tank 2 



H2 



it looks like 
configure the 



Hey, 
here 
25 . 



Rog, 
Okay . 
The only 
get the batt B 
re all ready to 
Okay . 

Okay battery B relays breakers in, chargers OFF. 
I've got to clean the old GARBLE screen yet. Plus X forward 
so - plus 25 and 195 - no, wait a minute minus 10 and plus 



thing we've got Ron, is 
off the charge and then 
bed down. 



CAPCOM That's affirmative. minus 10 plus 25 and as 

tight as you can get it to those numbers Ron. 

AMERICA Well, I'll tell you what I believe the dial's 

more than I believe the set knobs so - was that the AOS there 
no , not qui te . 

CAPCOM Ron, we've just been debating here - you need 

to be sure and do the knobs at the minus 10 and plus 25. 
AMERICA Okay, I'll put the knobs there. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 00:16 CST 123:24GET CSM61/1 



CAPCOM Ron, everything is looking great down 

here. It was a really great day, really busy. We're 
sorry about that eat period. And it's been real - lot of 
things have happened. 



AMERICA 


Yeah, it was a good day. No, don't 


worry about that eating. No problem there. 


CAP COM 


And the bird looks great and we'll 


see you when we 


wake you up. You can sign off any time. 


AMERICA 


Okay . 


CAPCOM 


One point, Ron. They would like to 


have the DSKY c 


le ar e d . 


AME RICA 


I'm gibing to put the shade up. 


CAP COM 


Yeah, beautiful. 


CAP COM 


Ron, just a reminder on the upband 


on the wake call when you're ready to sack out. 


AMERICA 


Okay, let me blow a little buffer 


s o 1 ut i on out of 


the water here. About 10 minutes I think. 


CAP COM 


Rog. 


AMERICA 


Takes a little longer to do all this 


stuff by yourself, (laughter). 


CAP COM 


It s ure doe s . 


CAP COM 


Okay, Ron, we're going to drop the 


uplink here in 


one minute. So, see you tomorrow. 


AMERICA 


Okay, thank you all, we'll see you in 


the morning. 




CAPCOM 


Okay, you can call us. 


AMERICA 


(garble) - voice going off. 


AMERICA 


You can call me, but I can't call you. 



( laugh te r ) 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 13:47CST 136:54GET CM62/1 



CAP COM 
PDI 38 pad and 
updating - are 

AMERICA 

AME RI CA 
ALSEPS are TDI 38. 

CAPCOM 
plus 097 163 21 54 
minus 04 141, roll 
is not applicable. 
133 200 030, ullage 



Ron, Houston here, we re coming up on some 
some flight and a solar corona pad and flight plan 
you ready? 

- I think I've got the - 
I'll get my PDI book here. 



Okay , 
Okay , 



let ' s 
let's 



see 
see 



Okay, Ron. PDI 38, FP S G&N . 375 80 plus 055 
04. NOUN 81' s are plus 266 80 minus 123 80 
181, pitch 114, yaw 338. The rest of the pad 
Good old Sirius and Rigel for our set stars 
four jett, 12 seconds - that's 12 seconds. 



Tan 



the launch to the Moon at the TIG time 
AMERICA Okay, PDI 38, FPS G&N. 

097. TDig is 163 21 54 04. NOUN 81*s plus 
minus 0414.1, roll 181, pitch 114, 338. 
030, four jett 12 seconds. Longititude 
CAPCOM Good read back, Ron 

in the flight plan. 
Okay, just a second 
Okay, at 137 33 the 
Over . 

Okay solar corona pad 



is minus 153.71. Over, 

375 80 plus 055 plus 
26 68.0 minus 1238.0 
Sirius and Rigel 133 200 
at TIG is minus 153.71. 
Okay, all the rest of 



our 



readup here 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
T start 137 33 
AME RICA 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
altimeter cover 
They're already 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
move that down 



1 s 



48 



Okay, go. 
solar corona photo pad is 

13 33, 48. 



Next one's over at 139 20. 



Ro ge r 
Okay, go. 

Okay the old one - delete mapping camera laser 
OPEN, and at 139 21 delete mapping camera extend, 
th e re . 

Okay, 
Okay , 
to 139 23. 



got them. 

Ron at 139 21 where it says UV cover OPEN, 
Make the following note. Delay opening 
2 minutes to check operating current with cover closed, 
be checking that and giving you a cue on that. 



We '11 



AMERICA 
CAPCOM 

p e c te d there 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 

the V over H 



Oh , 
And 



okay 

there's nothing - 
Ron, we've just getting some 
Okay, good deal. 
Okay, the next one is 
141. 
141 50. 
150, okay. 

Okay, we got a little 
override so after pan camera 



th ere ' 
extra 



s no 
data 



problems e x- 
that 0S0 wants 



at 141 50. 



- seeing some funnies on 
stand by stereo and power 



we want to add the following V over H 
alt . 

AME RICA 
CAPCOM 
AME RICA 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
power ON, V over H 
CAMCOM 



Okay V over H override 
Okay, thank you. 
Rog, Houston. Better give 



override high altitude - high 
to high altitude, 
a power ON. 



Pardon me, Ron, I missed that. 

That's right, after you get to pan camera 

to high altitude. 
Righ t . 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 CST 13:58 GET 137:04 CM63/1 



alt 



on 



CAP COM 

AMERICA 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 



over 



H override, high altitude - high 
V over H override to high altitude. 

After I get my power 



Okay , 
Okay - 

America, Houston. 



CAP COM 
AMERICA 
camera power 
CAPCOM 



on - V 



Pardon 
That 1 s 
ove r H 
Right . 



that . 

get the pan 



a couple of info notes for 
to write this one, but FAO 
don't have any margin on MAG 
all your margin on that mag. 
planned operating. 
AMERICA 



me, Ron, I missed 
right - after you 
to high altitude. 

Okay, Ron, the next 2 are just 
you. I don't: know where you want 
would like to remind you that you 
Lima Lima anymore. You used up 
Everything else is needed for 



CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
but don ' t use 
s um up h ere , 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 



any 
Ron . 



Ah ah, okay. 
And the last 
No spares on 
Roger. Just 
s p are shots on 



one - 

Lima Lima, 
use Lima Lima 
it. The last 



as s cheduled , 
one is just a 



it but you 



Okay . 

You obviously are aware of 
have not missed any mapping camera or pan camera or lunar 
sounder operations to date and we're all on schedule and 
right on the flight plan - outstanding flight plan. 

AMERICA You bet it's an outstanding flight plan, 

that 1 s great . 

CAP COM Yes, Ron. I think you really have an 

outstanding flight plan to be flying at this time of the 
year because the weather in Houston is so miserable, you 
can't believe it. 

AMERICA (laughter) Oh boy, that's what everybody 

keeps saying. 

CAPCOM 
a sleety rain, and 
although, it's not 



700 



down to 6 or 

AMERICA 
to make the flight 

CAP COM 
s ince you le ft . 

AMERICA 

CAPCOM 
going to get 

AMERICA 

CAPCOM 
what happens 



Roger, I just drove in and it's kind of 
it feels like it might snow at any moment, 
really that cold, the ceiling is probably 
feet. It is really rotten out there. 

(laughter) Yes, we did pick a good time 
th en . 



That's affirmative. It's been this way 



b 1 ame d 



( laught e r) 
You guys - you 
for that - 
( garb le) 

When we shoot people to 



realize, of course, you're 



the Moon that ' s 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 CST 13:58 GET 137:04 CM63/2 



AMERI CA 
CAP COM 
you w an t . 

AMERICA 
away h ere . 

CAP COM 
AMERICA 
on f r ame 6 9 . 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 



(laughter) Yeah, right. 

Okay, you can get back to work then, if 

Okay, I'll get my solar - solar corna squared 

Okay . 

Okay, solar corona Is mag qq and we're 



Ok ay , mag q q 6 9. 

And Houston, America. Let's see - you 
really sent me over the hill on high bit rate this time for 
sure - as usual. 

CAPCOM Stand by on that, Ron. Let me take a 

go on that. 

AMERICA Looks like it. 

CAPCOM That's affirmative, Ron. You'll be going 

over the hill in high bit rate. 



END OF TAPE 



APoLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 14:07CST 137:13GET CM64/1 



AMERICA 
get confused 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 
cable with the 

CAPCOM 



And, Houston, America just so you don't 
there - I put two protect frames on the start of th 
Roger, that's affirm. We've got that. 
Yeah, I just wanted to try out that control 
PCM stuff, you know. 

Roger, understand. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 14:16 CST 137:23 GET CM-65/1 



CAPCOM Ron, we're coming up on 5 minutes to LOS, 

and we just want to update you. We went around the room and 
the spacecraft is looking great. We just have one reminder and 
that's at the end of solar corona period, please use only one 
protect frame, one protect frame per the flight plan, or per 
the checklist. And the other thing is, the lunar sounder little 
check you did at the beginning of this pass is - the recorder is 
pulling film as normal, the glitch we saw was a telemetry glitch, 
and the lunar sounder is looking great. 

AMERICA Great - outstanding. That's good to hear. 

Sounds like we're getting kind of low on VHBW film though is 
what you're saying, huh? 

CAPCOM On that particular magazine, yes, Ron. That's 

the problem, I think - we don't think it's the total thing as more 
as which magazine's is got what on it. 

AMERICA Oh, okay. 

CAP COM And we'll see you at 138:15 when you'll be 

just about eating, so give us a call if you want anything. We'll 
be listening. 

AMERICA Okay, I'll be on theloop. All right - hey, one 

thing, could you check on mag - what I have on the Nikon now, 
XX I guess. Seems to me like we just need that for another - 
zodiacal light thing. 

CAPCOM Okay, we've got FAO working on that. 

AMERICA (garble) In other words, are there 2 or 3 

frames available? Do we have 2 or 3 frames available on that 



one 

CAP COM Okay, let me check on that Ron. 

AMERICA Okay. 

AMERICA I want to take a red and a blue picture of 

the landing site sometime. 

CAPCOM It's going to take a little bit of chasing 

on that, Ron. We may not have the word before you go LOS, but 
we'll have it definitely when you come up AOS. 

AMERICA Oh, okay. Yeah, Don't - no, no problem. 

I won't use it until I get to the landing site anyhow. 

CAP COM Okay, Ron, there are 18 spares on X-ray 

X-ray that you can use. 

AMERICA Oh, okay. Good. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/16/72 CST 15:15 GET 138:12 CM66/1 



Houston, America. 
Hello, America, how you doing? 



Well, I think I got it back under control 



my - ■ 



go 



What happened? 
Uh , let's see. 
got into gimbal lock. 
Okay, you almost got 



Any problems? 
Let me go back through 
(Laughter) . 
into gimbal lock, 



AMERICA 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
again . 

CAP COM 
AMERI CA 
■ well , almost 
CAP COM 
ah ead . 

AME RICA 
corona thing, 
have been too 

dump it really torques it around, I guess. And, somewhere, 
I don't know, you have to check it back on the tape, about 
137:50 -- between 50 and probably -- well, between 55 and 58, 
somewhere in there, I got the gimbal lock light and all those 
good-deal things. And, got it under control, took it back, 
and we got back to SIM bay attitude at 137:59:20. In the 
meantime, while I was doing all that, looks like my waste 
water dropped down kind of low, too. How much you reading 
down there? 
CAPCOM 
CAP COM 
p ercent an d 
AMERI CA 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 



Last step of the -- last step of the solar 
which says go back to CMT AUTO, which wouldn't 
bad, except as soon as you get a waste water 
torques it around, I guess, 
have to check it back on 
50 and probably -- well, 



1. 6 



. 9 p oun ds j 
did I? 



Okay, stand by on that, Ron. 
They're reading .16 percent and 
p oun ds , Ron . 
I didn't quite make it to zero, 
Rog, that's affirmative. 
Okay, caught that in time, anyhow. 
Hey, Ron, just a question here — pick up 
where you were reading up there. Did you go to CMC AUTO 
after the solar corona, or did you get the gimbal lock light 
prior to going to AUTO? 

AMERICA I got it prior to going to AUTO. I forgot 

to go to AUTO after the solar corona thing. 



CAP COM 

AMERICA 
waste water dump. 

AMERICA 
form tho ugh . 

CAPCOM 
good enough, too. 

AMERI CA 

AMERI CA 
portions there, 
rate was about 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 
I got the high 
at 1380 8. Went 

CAPCOM 



Ok ay , we 

I had to 
Yeah . 

No, I s aw 



got you. 

purge the 



fuel cell first and 



it before it tumbled the plat- 
Roger, we got you, and the platform was 



Oh, yeah, the platform was okay. 
And, if INCO's timing the bit rate 
high bit rate was - I mean, going to low bit 
13742 was pretty - 

Okay, we copy that. 

Okay, and then going to high bit rate, 
at 1375030, and I hit low bit rate again 
high bit rate of 13814. 
Roger, Ron, we copy those times. 



bit 
to 



END OP TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 CST 15:15 GET 138:22 CM67/1 



f o r 



CAP COM 
CAP COM 
beat going good 
SC 

to have some peanut 
CAP COM 
SC 

CAP COM 
CAP COM 
S C 

s cheduled . 

CAP COM 



Go 



Roger, Ron we copy those times. 
Sounds like you might have got your heart 
your eat period. Is that right Ron? 
(Laughter) yes, I might have. I'm going 
butter now if you guys don't care. 
Roger, it's your eat period. 
(Laughter) okay. 

At least you didn't forget this one. 
Ron, we've got some data here for you - 
That's right by gosh. We've even got one 
ahead . 

We've got some data here for you for - if 
your planning on taking those red and blue filter exposures 
across the landing site if you want this information. 
SC Ah yes. Okay go ahead. 

CAPCOM Okay Ron here it is. It's a Nikon 

NK, November Kilo 55, 1 frame each filter. Fll, l/250ths, 
1 frame each filter. With no filter exposed at Fll, one 
one thousandth, and if you want to use the polarizing filter 
expose at Fll, one five hundredths of a second. 

sc Okay, looks like we'll bracket it there, 

Fll, one twenty fifth, one frame on each filter and 
at a 250th, 1 frame on each filter, and then without 
1 Fll at a thousandth, and polarizing Fll at a 
five hundredth. 

CAPCOM Okay, here's a note that I'm not sure 

understand totally, but let me read it to you. Observe 
target through view finder and shoot as desired with polarizing 
filter in different positions. Mark exposure time with 
polarizing filter as data analysis requires the incidence 
angle . 

Okay, so it needs a 



a filter 



GET time when It takes 



That's affirm, that's with the polarizing 
In other words - yeah. Yeah, with the 



Do not 
frames total. 



S C 

a pic ture . 

CAP COM 
SC 

polarizer, right. 

CAP COM And there's another note here, 

exceed 18 frames total for the above pictures. 18 

SC Okay. 

CAPCOM And your TCA, TCA is, for the landing 

site, is 138 39 11. 

SC Okay, TCA is 138 39 11. 

CAPCOM And, Ron, if you'll just give us a mark 

when you make the shot that'll be close enough and we'll mark 
the time here on those polarizing ones so we'll get the angle 
that way. 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 11/12/72 CST 15:15 GET 138:22 CM-67/2 



SC Oh, Okay. 

SC I lost my fucking camera. 

CAPCOM Ron, we'd like ACCEPT from the computer, 

we have a new state vector for you, your down track there 

got to be in excess of thirty thousand feet and this 
has nothing to do with your back side water dump just now, 

it just accumulates in a various path. 

SC Oh, Okay. You have ACCEPT. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 15:25 CST 138:32 GET CM68/1 



CAPCOM Ron, it's your computer. 

AMERICA Okay, going to vox. 

CAPCOM Okay, Ron, any time you want to reach up 

and go auto on the high gain you're (garbled). 

AMERICA Okay, standby (garbled) - standby - 

mark it - polarizer all the way to the left - standby - mark 
it - polarizer all the way counter clockwise. 

CAP COM Gotcha. 

AMERICA Okay, standby - okay, - wait a minute - 

lost my landing site - standby - Okay, standby mark it, that's 
all the way counter-clockwise. Standby - mark it - and 
that's all the way clockwise. 

CAP COM Roger, we got it. 

AMERICA Frame 23 and 24-1 mean - yeah, 23 and 

24 - we're looking north along the ridges there. The other 
two polarizes - the two before that were looking at the 
landing site. And I add 3 (garbled) red ones and a 500th of 
250th and a 25th - and - a - the rest 16 and the blue 

ones at the same thing. - And we're setting on frame number 

25 on the mag XX. 

CAP COM Roger, Ron. 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 13:55CST 139:02GET CM69/1 



DSE 



ting 



39 



t o 



CAPCOM Ron, you should not see a tape motion light 

at LOS here, because - flag because we've got the dump done and 
rewound ahead of time. They're rewinding it right now. 

Oh, okay. Do you want me to configure the 
32, right? 

That's affirmative. 
Ok ay . 

How's the crew of Challenger? Are they get 
go out again? 
They ' re a little 
They just slept 
prep - pre-EVA prep 
Yeah . 

And everything's 
I'll bet they 1 re 
hill. 

Roger, we understand. 

America, Houston. At your convenience, Ron 
we'd like you to service your ZPM sensors on 
we're getting some bad data on that now. 
They're itchy, (laughter) 
Ro ger . 

Yeah, it's pretty dry. 
Roger. Dr. Z reccommends you 
them. Just move them around a 
on the other one. 



AMERI CA 
though at 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
AMERICA 
about ready 
CAP COM 
there's no problem 
they ' re in their 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
is a pretty good 
CAP COM 
CAPCOM 
no hurry on this, 



bit: delayed, Ron, but 
a little longer - and - yeah, 



going good. 

going to find that Scarp 



e a ch 



side there - 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
a new location for 
And, put some cream 



might find 
little bit 



AMERICA 
CAPCOM 

interrupt what 

cal . 

AMERICA 
I get a chance 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
shortly, I'm 
AME RICA 



Okay . 
There ' s 
you're doing 



no hurry on that, Ron. 
now to - for that. It 



I wouldn ' t 
s not criti- 



t o 



afraid 



Okay, I understand, Bob. I'll do it when 
Okay . 

Rog, you sound like a tourist up there, 
(laughter) That's right. 

You're going to need a Kodak store here 
( 1 aughte r) 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 139:12 CST 1405 CM-70/1 



y o ur 
on a 

of f . 



CAPCOM Okay, Ron, you might: want to look at 

flight plan when you get a chance. We're coming up 
SIM-bay reconfiguration here shortly 
AMERICA 



Ah, okay. 56, 57, 58, 59, mark it. It's 



going 



CAP COM 
AMERICA 
off. Not 



the 



on . Oh , oh 
up there on 

CAP COM 
it would only be an 

AMERI CA 
old mapper is going 
to heate rs . UV i s 
IR and wait on the 

CAP COM 

AMERI CA 

CAP COM 
open, here. 

AMERICA 

gray . 



Roger, we got it. 

(laughter) Whatever that is. Okay, recorder is 
heaters. Radar is off. Data system is 
Shouldn't have put that smack power switch 
the 230 as much as we use it. 

Roger, I concur with that one. I thought 
assimulation that you see on that one. 
(laughter) Okay, smack power's on. The 
to standby. IR 1 s going on. Self test is 

'■*■" — to open the 



gone 



going 
UV. 

We concur with 
Okay . 

We '11 give you 
Okay . 



Now, we're going 
that, Ron. 

a cue on that UV cover 
There's the IR. Barber pole - 



Houston, America. 
Go ahead, Ron. 
Okay, are you going to 
Back in there for this next 
visuals and stuff? 

Ron, we're calling for 



AMERICA 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 
backside DSE? 
verbal science 

CAP COM 
exactly as it 
with that? 

AMERICA Oh, yeah, I concur, but I mean - sure 

that's no problem but I mean in getting them back to 
Houston before the end of the flight, you know? 



try to shift the 
pass, f o r the 

the DSE operation 



is in the flight plan. Is that - do you concur 



CAP COM 
less you want 
record it and 
form. 

AMERICA 
phrase what I 
CAPCOM 



Negative. It was not in the plans un- 
us to, Ron. We don't have any provisions to 
send it back here until it comes back (garble) 



s ay 



Okay, okay. No problem, I'll - gotta para- 
and when I get Into AOF over there. 

Okay, no sweat, and if you have some- 
thing you really want us to listen to, we can bring up the 
loop to get it but it takes a little effort, Ron, that's all. 

Okay. Let's don't do it, yet. 
Ron, just a word. The voice quality has 
We've listened to it several different 
been real good and we can bring it in with- 
out too much problem. Probably wouldn't be ready for the 
next rev but we can get it in there without too much strain 
if you want It brought in. 



AMERICA 
CAP COM 
been real good 
times and it's 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 139:12 CST 1405 CM-70/2 

AMERICA Okay, I think it might be worth while 

especially on this particular one where I'll be essentially 
talking all the way across on this one. 

CAPCOM Okay, we'll just plan on it, Ron. 

AMERICA If it's not too much of a problem, yeah. 

CAPCOM Okay, Ron, you can UV cover open any 

time . 

AMERICA Off, open, barber pole and it's gray. 

CAPCOM Ron, we need to precondition our H2 tanks 
again. We'd like H2 tank 2 fan 2 off, please. 

AMERICA Alright, H2 tank 2 fans are off. 

CAPCOM Roger. And Ron, just a reminder. We 

will bring in that voice from that rev 27 backside pass. 

AMERICA Oh, okay, good, thank you. 

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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 139:22 CST 1415 CM-71/1 



AMERICA I had trouble with the lunar sounder, guys, 

I'm sorry, if I pointed your antenna in the wrong direction 
there for a short period of time. 

CAPCOM No problem. Just one question, Ron. 

That is the Hasselblad we're hearing every once in awhile, 
isn't it ? 

AMERICA Is that what? 

CAP COM Is that the camera running! 

in awhile? 

AMERI CA 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 



Every once 



this pass? Were 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 

something sure 
AMERICA 



Hass elblad? 
Ye ah . 

No , not now . 

How about during the eat period on 
you running the camera quite a bit? 
No, the only thing was the Nikon. 
Okay, understand. We keep hearing 
sounds like the camera trigger. 

Might have been the tape - might have 



the 



tape recorder 
you kn ow . 



b een 
my e ar s , 

CAPCOM 
CAP COM 
looking real 
AME RICA 
the other 

CAPCOM 
the home front 
be p re t ty b us y 
update , maybe . 
AMERI CA 



Might have been me trying to clear 



on 

t o 
to 



good 
side 



No, I don't think so. 
Ron, we're 2 minutes from LOS 

Okay, Robert, thank you much. 



Okeydoke, and I'll try to get 
maybe for this next pass, and you're 
They're going to give you a little 

Okay . 



and you re 

See you 
through 



going 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 17:05CST 140:11GET CM72/1 



AMERICA As well as the - some of these more e rat os thene an 

craters around (garbled). Looks to me like you could still have 
a little bit of a hint at least of a layering or a broken up 
different colored material at the top of all of these craters. - 
10 - suppose to stop rewinding the DSE - forgot to do that. 

CAPCOM Roger, Ron. We'll take care of the DSE. 

AMERICA Okay. - Okay, I'll let you do it. 

CAP COM Roger, Ron, 

AMERICA Okay. - 

AMERICA Okay, - I took 3 - or - 4 pictures on mag 

0 0 - up to frame 104, kinda looking north across Sheita. 

CAPCOM Roger, Ron. We copy. 

CAPCOM Ron, just some words for you - we - 

AMERICA Okay, and kind of a - Okay, go ahead. 

CAPCOM Go ahead - go ahead with yours, we don't 

want to interrupt. 

AMERICA Oh, I was just going to say that on the 

crater Aiken, on the other side, it's probably - there are no - 
rays - visible rays that I could see at the low sun angle, 
anyhow coming across there. There is definitely a mare floor 
in there - dark albedo type - flat floor - there are swirls in 
it - no definite expression of swirls - . One thing is quite 
apparent, you have a flow scarp in the northeast quarter of it 
coming out of - oh a little clover-leaf type of an area there. 
A - I'm going to have to look the next pass over to see if a 
kind of a south donnacle structure that's in there is breeched. 

1 can't tell if the flow of material is flowing to the east 
out of the donnacle structure or if the flow is flowing into 
the donnacle structure. I want to take a better look at that 
the next time around. 

CAPCOM Roger, we gotcha. Did you see any lava 

marks on the crater rims there? 

AMERICA Well, that's the - the lava mark is what I 

call - it's almost a lava scarp - up in the northeast corner. 
There are some lava marks along the central peak - they aren't 
nearly as apparent though as that one up in the northeast corner. 
The northeast corner is definitely a flow front - a lava flow 
front and it's flowing up the - well the old interior wall of 
th e crater . 

CAPCOM Roger, Ron. What's the color of the dome 

in Aiken? 

AMERICA Well, the color of the dome in Aiken is - is 

- colors are hard to visualize - the color of the dome is essen- 
tially the same as pretty much the surrounding material around 
there - maybe a little bit lighter - a little bit lighter than 
the surrounding material. Of course it's definitely lighter 
than the - the floor. The floor itself, to me, has a tan - 
hint of tan to it. 



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CAPCOM Okay, Ron, let's break away here a second. 

Pan camera moved to standby. 
AMERICA Okay. 

CAP COM If you haven't got your flight plan it's pan 

camera mode to standby and then power on. 
AMERICA Okay, power's on. 

CAP COM Okay, Ron. And it's time to charge battery 

A and we'll cue you on the pan camera power off. Okay, that 
should have been deleted - we've already charged battery A. 

AMERICA Yeah, yeah, it's already charged. 

CAPCOM Sorry about that, Ron. 

AMERICA Okay, no problem. 

CAPCOM How about the freshness of the wall and 

ejecta materials and the brightness of the rim deposits on 
Aiken while - while er have a minute here. 

AMERICA Okay, - the brightness of the rim deposits 

are a little bit brighter than the surrounding area on the thing 

- the way that you put it - probably your early e r a to s t bene an 

- it's definitely not copernican because I can't see - well at 
least in that low sun I can't see any rays - around it. But, 
probably late e r at o s thene an - somewhere in that area because 
the - you have the slumping - well, it's not subdued at all. 
The walls itself of the crater are not subdued - they're 
fairly fresh - not as fresh as copernican - and - I just 
can't remember whether we had - seemed to me like it was 
brighter - 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 140:21 CST 17:15 CM 73/1 



SC Can't remember. Rather we had - seems to 

me like it was brighter at the higher sun angles around there, 



which indicate that there would 
bright ring around it 



still be some remnants of a 



to OFF. 



CAP COM 
camera power 
SC 

CAP COM 
Cri s i um-Se renitatis 
S C 

CAP COM 
area - anything you 
Just sing out . 

SC 

CAP COM 
do you have any 
Aitken ? 

SC 

volcanic in origin 



Okay, Ron, and whenever you're ready pan 

Pan camera's power's going OFF. 

And we're with all eyes here waiting for 

visuals . 

Okay . 

Anything at all, Ron, while we've got an open 
want to say, we're following you on the map. 



Okay 
Ron , 
views on 



while you're thinking here a second, 
the possible origin of the domes in 



Well, I'm pretty sure they've got to be 
It's what it looks like to me anyhow. 



Expecially if I can determine that the 
corner of Aitken has flown out of that 
there . 

Roger, understand. 
You know something 
a pretty significant - is 
craters on 
and any of 



material on the northeast 
domical little structure 



m 

CAP COM 
SC 

I think it's 
30 kilometer 
f ai rly fresh 
you don't have any real 
got a real smooth - not 
degree angle going down 



- the observation I - 
the fact that most of the 
the back side of the Moon, seem to be 
them that are fresh - by fresh I mean that - 
definite ring pattern to them, but you 
smooth but streaked straight slope 45 
into the crater - in the crater wall. 
And then you get down to the bottom of the crater you got a flat 
floor down there or sometimes it's domical type of a floor. 
And the domical material down there doesn't resemble anything like 
the stuff that's slung down the side. 

CAPCOM Okay, we copy. Ron, if 

might do air reset there on DSKY - it looks 
hit a mark button or something. 



you're handy, you 
like you might have 



SC 

CAP COM 
S C 

and now I'm in a 
good observation 

CAP COM 
pick up anything 

SC 



Yeah, I might have hit the mark button. 
That fixed it. 

Okay. I just got used to the other attitude 
different attitude. Ha Ha. This ought to be a 
attitude though. 

Yeah, we understand. Roger. Are you able to 
on Crisium yet? 

No, just now I'm coming up on Crisium. I just 

Let 



now see it out of window 5. Just off the southern edge 
me try window 3, it might be better. 



th e 



CAPCOM 
color t one s 



Okay, you might remember we're looking for 
or shades between units up on Crisium. And we're 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 140:21 CST 17:15 CM 73/2 



CAPCOM looking for the location of color boundaries 

over to the Mare ridge system. 

SC Okay, I'm looking at: the eastern edge of 

the Crisium now. As you come across there it looks like it 
looks like there might be a little bit darker - you know I keep 
seeing browns all the time up here, instead of grays - gray 
tones, maybe that's just a the way I interpret it. They are - 
to me they're kind of a brownish tint to them, and it's a 
darker brown than the stuff to - the south of the ridge system 
th ere . 

CAPCOM Roger, Ron, our data would show that CM 5 

might be a better window. 

SC Take a look at that one. Yeah, it's a 

little better. Looking straight down. I'm just now passing 
that crater I took a picture of on the last time of the pass 
on there, and instead of having a round bottom - it's got a 
diamond shaped fill in the bottom, and the diamond itself is 
about oh, a half of the crater in diameter, and this is on the 
south rim of Crisium. 

CAPCOM Okay, we copy. Does the ridge system 

cross the co'lor boundry Ron, in Crisium? 

SC Yeah, this ridge system is running east 

and west down here. The color boundry isn't nearly as apparent 
in Crisium as it is in Serenitatis, except that right under 
me right now, there's kind of a subdued crater type thing and 
with a southern part of a ridge. The ridge runs east-west, 
and it looks like we've got a flow coming out of it. Let me 
see if I can get a quick picture of that. Yeah, I lost my 
camera. Here it is. Yeah, it's too late, it's gone now. 
You know some thing (garbled) got a zero phase - a 
zero phase point that's following me right along out here in 
Crisium, so I get a different color straight out from the 
window than I do out from the edge of it. So I think that's 
going to influence my thinking. 

CAPCOM R°g, Ron. How does the color of Picard 

the rim of deposits on Picard compare to the surrounding mare 
material there? 

SC Okay. The color on Picard is definitely 

darker. It's got a darker rim - darker material that goes 
out to - oh, about a half a crater, and at some points extending 
out to the crater diameter. And then from the south, arching 
around to the west, to the northwest corner, you got some 
light color material on top of that. 

CAP COM Is any of that tan or brown? 

SC It's kind of a - the darker material I'd call 

tannish gray. More gray than tan. In other words the whole 
mare itself I consider kind of a light tan, and then the type 
of material that the dark material that's flowing out, is thrown 
out is kind of tannish gray. 

CAP COM Okay, in the inner characters of Picard, 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 140:21 CST 17:15 CM 73/3 



CAPCOM for color variations, can you determine differ- 

ent units, based on color and slope characteristics? 

SC Yes, you can. In the area where you have the 

white thrown out, on top you essentially got a - as you go down 
the crater wall, you've got a white streak that goes all the way 
around it and then vnn've eot a dark laver underneath that. And 



then a white 
CAP COM 

concentric? 
S C 

aro und . 

CAP COM 



you've got a dark layer underneath that, 
layer on below that. 

Roger, you're saying the color zones are 



to that of the crater wall? 

SC Yeah, the 

it's more smooth - 



Yeah, the color zones are concentric going 
Beautiful. How about the central peak material 
central peak material is - you know 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 140:31 CST 1725 CM- 



over there 
crater 
material 



direct your attention 
mare Crisium. Are 



AMERICA You know, it's more smooth type stuff. 

The stuff in the crater walls is fine, straight sloping, 
except where it's sloped down, where it's sloped down it's 
just kind a piled up - a jumble-type stuff, you know. 

CAPCOM Roger. 

AMERICA Oh, and the crater appearance 

has the same color distinction it out for about a 
diameter, except it doesn't have any of the light 
on it at all. 

CAP COM Okay, Ron, we might 

to the dark halo craters in the western 
they impact or volcanic in origin? 

AMERICA You can see some of the radius from 

the crater Proclus have spread out all the way across here 
and they completely cover up the ridge system that goes 
around there so I can't see any cause for distinction 
the eastern - or on the western edge of the Crisium. 

CAPCOM Roger, we copy. How about those dark 

halo craters, are they volcanic in origin, you think? 

AMERICA Okay some of the - You 

looking at those off the volcanic - or the 
craters - some of them might have a - what 
ejecta pattern around them, and the others 
a raised rim with no apparent blocks. The 
let's see - southwest, and that little V that sticks out 
there by Yerkes - that hill that sticks out there by Yerkes 
Now that's the one that to me looks like it has an ejecta 
pattern around it with blocks. It's about a - oh, bout a 
1000 meter crater. 

CAP COM Roger, got it. The crater that you 

mention with the flow pattern - will you be sure and make a 
mark of that on your map, please. We're really interested 
in that. 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
aren't you? 

AMERICA 
and a - it would be 

CAP COM 

AMERI CA 
craters - I haven't 



on 



know , I was 
dark rimmed 
I call a - 
just have kind of 
one to the west. 



Okay . 

Should be coming up on Macrobius by now. 



Yeah, you can just barely see Macrobius 
better out of window 3. 
Okay, stand - we're standing by. 
I haven't looked for any dark halo 
looked for any dark halo craters in 
this area that might be sticking through the Proculus 
rays. You know, you compare on either side of the proculus 
rays, though, and the same size crater, whether it's out 
in the Tranqui 1 lit atis or the mounties and stuff before you 
get to the Tranquillitatis , or rather it's underneath the 
Copern - the Proculus Ray. You get the same albedo of the 
ray material from the small craters in either case. 
CAPCOM Roger, we understand. 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 140:31 CST 1725 CM-74/2 



AMERICA Well, here's Macrobius A and B. Of 

course, J- 3 is up there. The two dark craters - well, the 
one just - north, I guess, of Microbus A, and also north of 
j_ 3 _ now that's the one that has a dark mound around It 
and It's got a small dome down in the center. It doesn't 
have any ejecta pattern around it. You know, no rays, no 
nothing. To me, that looks like - it sure looks a cinder 
cone to me. You get that same type feeling. The dark halo 
that goes around it goes out for at least a crater and a 
half diameter. The raised dome down in the center of the 
crater is about a fourth of a crater diameter, and there 
are no rays, and it has a dark halo. 

CAPCOM See any color tones on that a - that 

crater at all, Ron? 

AMERICA Yeah, the color on that particular - 

the color of that is the same color as you see in Maraldi 
and you see in the landing site, and that is what I consider 
the dark tannish, tannish-gray type of material. And, again, 
the fresh craters there in Maraldi still look kinda bluish 
to me. Not as much as they did yesterday, but they still look 
kinda of a - have a bluish tint to them from the reflection 
of the sun. In other words, they are fresh craters and 
they're about the size - one of them is about the size of 
Moker and the other one is about the size of Sherlock or 
Came lot . 

CAPCOM Okay, you're on Maraldi - 

AMERICA (garble) Look just same way. Yeah, I'm 

still on Maraldi, yeah. I'm on Maraldi and think - (garble) 

CAPCOM Okay, how about comparing the floor fill 

of Maraldi to the light plains in Maraldi east? 

AMERICA Go ahead. 

AMERICA The floor fill in Maraldi is definitely 

a darker color. The lighter plans in Maraldi E are the 
light tans material. And Maraldi - the floor of Maraldi 
looks just like the landing site. 

CAPCOM How about the color, tone and texture 

of Maraldi Gamma? 

AMERICA Okay, Maraldi Gamma looks like just the 

rest of all the surrounding hills around there. I think 
that's just the - some of the - what do you call it - the 
Sculptured Hills type of material that has been high 
and that has been inundated by mare flow at one time or 
another. It had - it - mare flows come up around it. 

CAPCOM Okay, how about the Domical Hills inside 

of the Vitruvius A as compared to Aitken? 

AMERICA Okay, I just missed that one. We'll 

have to get that one. We'll have to get that one on the 
way by . 

CAPCOM Okay. 

AMERICA Next time I'm - I guess. Right now I ? 



m 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 140:31 CST 1725 CM- 7 4/3 



looking at the ridge system around the annulus of Sereni- 
tatis and the dark material stops before you get up to 
oh, what's the crater that sticks into the side of Sereni- 
tatis and sticks out? Beyond the eastern edge of Serenitatis 
Anyhow, the dark material stops just before you get to there. 
The dark material only goes up to - oh, let's see. There's 



s a wrinkleridge , and at the east 
two craters of about 20 kilometers 
east of that is the rille - a graben, 
too, and that's about the extent 
the same material as the landing 



a definite rille, there 
of the wrinkleridge are 
in diameter and further 
looks like that goes on 
of the dark area that's 
site. 

CAP COM 

CAP COM 
on th is p ass . If 
time. We do have 
no hurry on them. 

AMERICA 
here until we pass 

CAP COM 
some time on that. 

AMERICA 
ahead of that. 

CAPCOM 
talking . 

AMERICA 

in this case, the wrinkleridge system that's out in the 
middle does not make a change in the color boundary. The 
color boundary is completely out to the outer edge and is in 
the area of those - the rilles. There is kinda arcuate rilles 
Straight rilles, and in the Tacquet - 



Roger, we copy. 

Okay, Ron, that completes the visuals 
you want to look some more, we've got the 
some flight pan camera pad and that, but 
We do ( garb le) . 

(garble) You want me to keep looking 
? Do you need an attitude change now? 

No, that's not until 4 or 6. We've got 

It's a VERB change to NOUN 68. 

Okay, give me a clue about a minute 

Yeah, I'll do that, Ron. Just keep 
Okay, we're in the Tacquet area now and, 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 14:35CST 140:41GET CM 75/1 



AMERICA Tacquet yesterday, I - said this - 

Sulpicius Gallus, Tacquet area. 

CAPCOM Roger, Ron. Could you give us a color 

difference between dark mantle and the mare at this sun 
angle ? 

AMERICA Yeah, the color difference - it can't 

be- I just now noticed when I get down to the sun angle 
- out in front of me I got one color and then I look straight 
down and I have a different color. But in this Tacquet area 
you've definitely got some cinder cone type - oh - what's this 
cinder cone - but anyhow, volcanic - and it almost looks like a 
breeched cinder cone right next to - I think it's - Melrose 
is the name of that - that crater - the big one - it's right 
on the edge of Serenitatis. I'll find it on the map and 
mark it for sure. But, just to the east of that it sure looks 
like a breech cinder cone in one of those rilles down there. 
And then that type of material is - kind of a dark tan - at 
this sun angle. And it's definitely darker than - than the 
Serenitatis basin material. 

CAPCOM I think it's Tacquet, is the name of that 

crater, isn't it Ron? 

AMERICA Tacquet is the little one and then there's 

a bigger one - right next to Tacquet. 

CAP COM Okay, Menelaus is just to the east of Tacquet 

there. - Hey, Ron, I blew that, Menelaus is west of Tacquet, 
there. 

AMERICA Yeah, Menelaus that's the one. 

CAPCOM Any textural difference between the dark 

mantle in the site and the Sulpicius Gallus formation, Ron? 
AMERICA Yes, there is. 

CAPCOM Would you attribute it to the actual ground 

or would you attribute it to possibly sun angle difference? 

AMERICA I think I would attribute it really to the 

actual ground. - I guess what I'm going to have to do is 
really wait until the sun angle gets a little bit higher there 
in that Tacquet region to answer that for sure - but it seems 
to me like the - the material on the landing site area is more 
smooth or smoother than what's in the Tacquet region - the part 
in the Tacquet region seemed to me like it was a - just a rougher 
looking type of material. You know, not massive - Hey, 
the - (garble) - - what do you know? 

CAPCOM Do you have any dark. - any dark halo cra- 

ters near Sulpicius Gallus? 

AMERICA Yeah, - the - well, I'll be darned - 

CAP COM We're - we're - baited breath, waiting. 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 17:35CST 140:41GET CM 75/2 



with the Nikon. 
1 or 2 degrees . 
Roger, copy. 
Ah - you know, I 



AMERI CA 
Hasselblad - I mean 
angle must be about 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 

too much on Sulplcius Gallus 
concentrating on the Tacquet 
the rilles and the - 
middle out in there, 
up around the rilles 
I was going to say - 
color . 

CAP COM Okay, Ron, 

and like to load your NOUN 78. 



Picture 28 of (garble) with with the 



(laughter) And the sun 



really didn't concentrate 
at that particular passing - I was 
area and - in that case - all of 
not the wrinkle ridges on the 
- the rilles and the area built 
and also associated maybe - oh - Yeah, 
10 times the rille width is all one 



ridges , 
but the 



we'd like high gain to auto 

well 



let' 



s see 



AMERICA Okay, - high gain to auto - 

- 22 NOUN 78 enter, Okay - let's see plus 52.25 - plus 52.25 
uplink verb 58 enter - PAD proceed to, till A gets out of 
the way. Okay, (garble) was taken on picture number 28 
it was F8 at a 500th and then I took - 3 more before that - 
they were terminator photos looking north across Sulpicius Gallus 
and farther north and they were 
and 



500th at F16 to start with 



then Fll. 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
think I took 
CAP COM 
AMERI CA 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
enough of our 
of 



Ron 



this 



Roger, 

That's probably about all I'm allowed. 
XX film. 

What was your last frame number on XX, 
Yeah, that was - I'm on number 29 now. 
29 Rog. You're on 29, right. 
Hey, on magazine Oscar Oscar - did we 
required photos out of that or are the rest 
those - opportunity or not? 

CAPCOM We'll check on that with FAO , Ron. I do 

have one - flight plan update for you on the pan camera photo 
pad. It says you first ought to go to the image motion, 
pole plus 4 step to on and laser altimeter 



Ron? 



get 



crease 
on . 



b arb er 



in- 
to 



AMERICA 
CAPCOM 



Right now, you mean? 

Yeah, this - it's time Ron, 



Time for 



that. 



AMERICA 
pole plus 3 before 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 

some of those questions in a 
that's alright, go ahead. 
CAPCOM 



Okay - image motion - that goes barber 
- there it is - 3, 4 - laser altimeter on. 
Okay, Ron. That's pan camera - 
I hope I can pick up some answers to a 
couple of more passes. Okay, 



s o me 
time 

it . 



o f tho s e 
to Study 
AME RICA 



Okay, did it bother you any - me reading 
questions to you - I know you hadn't had 
them but I thought I'd jog your memory on them? 



Oh , no, 



Oh, that's good - I appreciate 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 17:35 CST 140:41 GET CM75/3 

CAPCOM Okay, I'll get a conference here with 

Farouk before we start the next pass on the next rev around - 
see if we improve it. Things worked perfect down here - we 
had the questions in front of me and Farouk flipped them 
into the screen and it really worked great. Okay, Ron - 

AMERICA That's good, okay. 

CAPCOM - at 141 50 I've got the pan camera photo 



p ad . 



AMERICA Okay, ready to copy. 

CAP COM Okay, T start time 141 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 140:51 CSX 1745 CM-76/1 



ready to copy? 
T-start time. 



1415401 



Okay, T-start 1415401, T-stop 
Good show, Ron. It's your bird 



T-s top 
1421824, 



now . 



for 



AMERICA Okay, 

CAP COM Okay, 
time 1421824. 

AMERI CA 

CAP COM 
awh i 1 e . 

AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM Ron, just for your information, we're 

playing back the voice playback from the last rev and that'll 
be recorded out and is readable and we can read it. 



AMERICA Oh, okay 

one of the microphones right 
don't know if that helped or 

CAPCOM 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
and somebody can 
about on the 



, good. I purposely tried to keep 
at my mouth on those things. I 
hindered it. 
Roger, I - 

At least I can hear myself talk that way. 
Roger, it worked and we can read it in - 
listen to it here when we get a chance. How 



backside of this next rev? It looks like you re 
pretty busy with pads and some photo work in there. Do you 
expect to be doing any recording much - recording then? 

AMERICA No, probably not. I'll just try to make 

notes of it or something and then pass it on out when I come 
out the other side. 

CAPCOM Good show, Ron, good show. And, your 

grounded friends down there are busy working around the LM 
right now and doing some loading the Rover and that getting 
ready for EVA-2. In other words, they're out on the surface 
and loading the Rover. 

AMERICA Okay, good. I'm glad they (garble) I can 

make it up that hill or not - scarp - looks like they should 



be able to go 
planned there 

CAP COM 
EVA to make a 
and trying to 
last night. 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
license if this 

AME RICA 



right up that valley, the way they have it 



Gene's got to take some time here in this 
fender. We're piecing together a couple of maps 
get a fender because they lost a piece of a fender 

Oh, they did, huh? 

We're going to give Gene his auto mechanic's 
wo rks . 

Yeah , 



right, (laughter) 



All I did was move it, haven't put in a new 
need to put on a new sensor? 

Ron , 
need to 



How ' s my zipp In ' 
s en sor yet. Do 



CAP COM 
sensors' sponges 
replace them. 

AMERICA 
replacing them. 

CAP COM 



the ZPN data 
be replaced, 



l sn 



t too good if the 



(Laughter) I thought I could 
I'll replace them pretty quick. 
Hey, you know, your choice, 
the crew exercise period without replacing them, 
AMERICA Okay. While I was eating my 



if you didn't already 

get by without 



We can stand 
I ' m sure . 
peanut butter 



awhile ago, I lost 
now f o und i t . 



my 



lobster biscuit and my juice and I just 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 140:51 CST 1745 CM-76/2 



CAPCOM Okay, Ron, here's your word on some maga- 

zines here. X-ray X-ray has to be left for the zodiacal light. 
You should not take any more on X-ray X-ray until after 
zodiacal light. And Oscar Oscar and Poppa Poppa are yours to 
play with as long as you stay with the flight plan on the rest 
of the mags . 

AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM And those are your crew options for the 

rest of the mission, those two mags. 

AMERICA Okay. In other words, we made it up on 

Oscar Oscar I guess on that one pass, huh? The rest of them 
are crew options. 

CAP COM Roger. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 141:01 CST 17:55 CM 77/1 



CAPCOM Hey, Ron, you've got 110 heart rate. What 

are you doing? 

SC (Laughter) Shaking the couch. 

CAP COM (Laughter) Yeah, I thought we could hear that, 

That's pretty good. 

SC - shake the couch. (Laughter) 

CAPCOM Okay, keep it up there. You got 120 and 

Dr. Bert wants you to keep it there for a while. 

SC (Laughter) Okay, thanks. 

CAPCOM What's the whole idea of this thing, Ron? 

Okay, got you 130 that time. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 141:11 CST 18:05 CM 78/1 



CAPCOM Hate to say it because it's very dead serious 

work, but I'm kind of watching the lunar comedy as that the two 
lunar stalwards are trying to clamp a new fender on the vehicle 
down there. 

SC I'll bet that's really no easy job, you know. 

CAP COM That's right. They got a couple of their 

clamps - what they did is they got - they took a couple of their 
clamps and they taped together in their cockpit a couple of their 
big lunar maps - big heavy maps and now they're clamping that map 
to the fender where the removable part is. 



SC 

there or something 

CAPCOM 
throwing dust 
got up - they 

SC 

CAPCOM 
repair job by 
SC 

CAP COM 
SC 

CAP COM 
loop there, Ron, 
SC 

number 4 or 



Yeah. Oh, I see. Must be pretty dusty down 



Well, they lost a fender and it was 
It just ridiculous how much dust they 
they had to go ahead and do 



something 
fender 



Yeah . 
up on Gene . 
just decided 
Yeah . 

I would hate to be paying for that 
minute . 

(Laughter) Boy, that's for sure. 
I was going to call them at 5 . 
Say again, Houston. 

Oh, that was me. I went off on the wrong loop 



the 



Oh, okay. Okay. On that Cr i s ium- S ereni t ati s , 
5, that dark dome just of the northwest of J- 3 . The 
one I was talking about that has a typical cone type shaped with 
the dome down in the side of it. 

CAPCOM Rog- We had - we kept a pointer at it the 

whole time. I knew just what you were talking about. 
SC Yeah, okay. Okay. 

CAPCOM We talked to the home front a little while ago 

and everybody's fine, Ron. And they were able to get the squalk 
boxes squared away so she should have been listening to you for 
the last couple of passes (garbled). The problem was we weren't 
able to shut off one loop or the other, so, today they've been 
able to get all the CSM loop in there during the AOS periods. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 141:21 CST 1815 CM-79 



On your lunch period. 
Oh, I see. In other words, 



if they were 



CAP COM 
AMERICA 
coming in. 

CAPCOM Yeah, last night they were both coming 

Today, they got it squared away so you're just coming 
and they'll be able to watch and listen to the other one 
the TV calendar. 

CAPCOM And they say they're looking forward to 

good weather tomorrow. We're supposed to finally get a 
break in this stuff tomorrow. 

Hey, good. They can say that's because 
to the Moon, see? 

Roger, okay. 



both 



m 
in 
on 



AMERICA 
guys went 



the 

CAP COM 
AMERICA 

weather. 

CAPCOM 

to LOS now, Ron 



1 o ok 



rate 
s o me 



good and you 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
went up pretty 
exercise here , 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 

for those orb 



We're getting a good break in the 

About 5 minutes - A and a half minutes 
We went around the room and all systems 
re just looking great. 

Okay, mighty fine, feeling pretty good. 
That's great. We noticed your heart 



well on the exercise, looks 
and now we'll be seeing you 
4 2:14, okay . 

And we'll be all set up with 
science visuals that are from 



like you got 
at 142:12. 

our back 
Cope rn i cus 



roan 

on down to Linergamma and you know it's (garble) that we'll 
be up for all - for everything in between, so standing by 
for your wo r d . 

AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM And Stu's mentioned if you hadn't earlier, 

that you might try the binoculars when you look at Copernicus 
for that dike if you hadn't thought of it before. 

AMERICA Yeah, I'm going to try that this 

Okay , 



CAPCOM 



I ' m going 
good show. 



time 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 142:09 CST 1903 CM-80/1 



AMERICA There's the old Earth just about a half 

Earth now. Houston, America. 

CAPCOM Go ahead, Ron. 

AMERICA Okay, Robert. I guess the big thing I 

want to report from the backside on this one here is that I took 
another look at the clover leaf in Aitken and with the binox 
and that southern domical crater in the clover leaf has a 
breach on the east side of it. I can't tell - there's a 
flow - in other words, the domical structures themselves are 
part of a flow material that has partially filled up the 
breach. In other words, the breach has either flown into that 
little domical structure before the domes were built or else all 
of that stuff that's in the mare floor has flown out of that 
domical structure before the dome came in. In other words, 
the domical structures themselves are different time in 
relationship to the floor itself. They're younger than the 
f loor itself. 

CAP COM Roger, Ron, we copy that. Ron, is there 

a difference in the color between the dome and the mare in 
Aitken there? 

AMERICA Yes, there is. The dome type material 

is - well, colors again, are very hard. I'm just going to 
have to say that it's slightly darker than the mare floor, 
is the way it looks to me right at this point in time. Also, 
the texture is a coarser texture than the floor itself. 
In otherwords, the floor to me is kind of a standard mare 
flat floor type stuff and I have to compare the texture of 
the domical hills to - oh, what I would imagine - some of 
the bassite flows that I've seen out in California, you 
know? A heavy viscus type flows. 

CAP COM Roger, we copy that, Ron. 

That's good data there on Aitken, Ron. Those color differ- 
ences anyhow. In many of these things, that color is one 
of the most important things you can give us. We'll be all 
ears for that. 

AMERICA Okay, I'll try to do that. The trouble 

with colors I'm finding out is it's sheer function of the 
Sun angle as to what color it appears to your eye. 

CAPCOM Roger, we can believe that. We just 

(garble). 

AMERICA (garble) as we pass it, yeah. You know, 

you take a look at the central peak of Neper and, on the 
south and western edge of it, you get the vertical stripes 
in it are streaky as you get off the massif in the landing 
site area, and then you look at the area around the rim, 
around the rim of Knepper, and you get the corncob, I guess, 
or Sculptured Hills type of appearance. 

CAPCOM Ron, time for pan camera T stop time. 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 142:09 CST 1903 CM-80/2 



AMERICA Okay, thank you. T 24 now. Okay, what's 

the standby at - whenver I said now? 
CAP COM Roger. 

AMERICA Must have, been about 30 something. 

CAPCOM That's fine. No problem. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 142:19 CST 19:13 CM 81/1 



CAPCOM Ron, if you start your Plcard orbital science 

photos on time, I'll be glad to call you the change to F 5.6 and 
the change to F 4 if you want. 

SC Oh, okay. 

CAPCOM Okay, Ron you can go pan camera OFF is the time. 

SC Okay, pan camera power OFF. 

SC That's Condorcet or Condorcet or whatever you 

want to call it, Condorcet Hotel is the one that's got that diamond 
shaped shelf down in the floor. 

CAPCOM Roger, understand. Condorcet Hotel. 

SC Condorcet Alfa has either got a landslide - 

I'll get a picture of that next time with the other frame but, it's 
either got a landslide on it or it's had a - and it doesn't look 
like a crater in the side of the wall in the northwest wall of the 
crate r . 

CAP COM Okay, we copy that. Northwest wall of Condorcet 

A. 

SC And it's a - the area is oval or elipsed shape. 

And of course the top of the elipse - toward the top of the crater 
and it looks like it's almost gets a flow out of the bottom of the 
elipse which is about a fourth of the way up from the bottom of the 
crater. 

CAPCOM Roger. Give me a scale on the size of that 

slope compared to the rest of the crater. 

SC The hole or the slope or the slide or whatever 

you want to call it, down through there may be 1/8 of the crater 
diameter. And the floor area is only just a real small portion 
of the 1/8 size. 

CAPCOM Have you seen any lineaments in the area - 

any linaments in the area? 

SC Yeah, there were some lineaments on the area - 

in the area - again they're vertical type lineaments or lineations 
kind of like the downslope operations of (garbled). 

CAPCOM Roger, agree. 

SC They're fresher ones. Okay, let's see. We're 

going to Picard then up to Guericke - where ' s Guericke - there ' s- 
Okay. See what we're aiming at here. Okay. It's about time, 
does it look like? 

CAPCOM Rog. You can start at - your just about 

30 seconds from starting on Picard and like you said on the map, 
you go up to Picard after you start Picard X there and you go on 
up through Picard and Guericke in that front there up at Guericke 
area. That's the - at Gericke right above there's where you 
ch an ge F 1 1 . 

SC Okay. Here we go. Start it. Picard X. It 

works better if you take the slide out. 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 142:19 CST 19:13 CM 81/2 



CAPCOM If you just give me kind of a call of what 

you're aiming at like at Picard X and Picard - I can give you a 
call on those F stops, Ron. 

SC Okay. I just passed the Picard axis and 

then the one west of that. What was - it's the next - about 
half the size of Picard axis .. Does this go right through 
Picard or south of it? 

CAPCOM No, it goes right through dead center of 

Picard. 

SC Okay, we'll get it. Sure hope that color 

difference shows up in - on Picard. 

CAPCOM Roger. We hope so too. 

SC The black material -- you get on up here- 

the darker tannish gray material covers essentially from the 
east, all the way around to the south. And it goes outside 
the rim as well as inside the rim. It drapes over the rim. 
That can't be a shadow effect. 

CAPCOM Have you taken Picard yet, Ron? 

SC No, just now - just one more and I'll 

get rid of Picard. Change to what? 

CAPCOM No, not yet. You don't change until you 

get on the other side of Guericke up there. Your pass goes 
directly between Guericke and - 

SC Oh, okay. Let me go to F 11. 

CAPCOM No, don't change to Fll until you are at 

Gue ri eke . 

SC Yeah. Okay. I'll get the other side 

o f Gue ri eke . 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 142:29 CST 1923 CM-82/1 



AMERICA Yeah, okay, so I'll get the other side 

of Yerkes. I can still see those dark halo craters down 
there. I'm going to have to look at them with the binox 
s o me t i me . 

CAPCOM Okay. With Yerkes there, you want to 

switch to F-ll just on the other side of Yerkes. 
AMERICA (garble) Okay. 

CAP COM And looking west, you'll go right 

through Proclus. 

AMERICA Okay, now what comes after Proclus? 

CAPCOM Okay. Just keep on pressing 

on up through up in towards Maraldi. You go through Proclus, 
then Proclus D and at that point you'll change to F-5.6 and 
get into the Maraldi and across the mares there and Mare of 
Tranquillity . 

AMERICA Oh, okay. It's sure easy to see why 

that ray excluded zone shows up on the pictures because to 
me it's a tan Sculptured Hill type material there in the ray 
excluded zone of Proclus. 

CAP COM Okay, Ron, this pass continues and you 

change to a 5.6 up there at Proclus D at the Mare highland 
contact at Proclus and from Proclus and Fron. 

AMERICA Okay. It's about now. I'll change to 

5 6, going out into the mare. 

CAPCOM Okay. You go right across the mare to 

Maraldi M and Maraldi B, across to Vitruvius A, and Vitruvius. 

AMERICA Ah, okay, a little closer in then. 

CAPCOM And, after Vitruvius, again on that 

contact to mare to the highlands, is where you go to F-4. 

AMERICA (garble) At, okay, Vitruvius? Yeah, 

okay . F-4 . 

CAPCOM You know, if you can look on your map, 

it looks like a subdued, would you believe, almost submerged 
crater between - I mean, just east of Vitrivius A, and 
that the domical mounds that are sticking up around there 
are the same type of structures as Maraldi Gamma, and that's 
what leads me to believe it's just some old jumbled up type 
stuff that was here before the mare. 

CAP COM Roger, we copy. 

AMERICA That has a completely different texture 

to it than the domical structures of Aitken. 

CAP COM Okay, we got that. Okay, have you gotten 

up over vertical over Vitruvius? If you are, that's where you 
go to F- 4 . 

AMERICA Not quite. I'm in the Vitruvius A 

right now. And I just took a peak at that with the binox 
and - 5, 6, yeah it was 250 - and that's a different type 
of material. It looks like it's a - it almost has to be a 
flub type of operation. Somehow it gets piled up down in 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 142:29 CST 1923 CM- 



the middle. But they're a smoother more sub - type of a 
domical structures than the ones in Aitken. Okay, switching 
to F-4. 

CAPCOM Roger. F-4 , your track goes right across 

the mare, the mare there between Tranquillity and Serenity, 
right across Dawes and ends at just to the east and north of 
Plinius. That appears to be the boundary between Tran- 
quillity and Serenity. 

AMERICA Okay. Oh, when I take a look at it from 

this angle, I even get a difference - the ejecta from Plinius 
kinda covers up the rilles and the annulus around Serenita- 
tis. And now we're getting into relatively low Sun and 
Serenitatis is a lot lighter color than the - it's a light 
tan to me - and then, in the low Sun you look at it - to 
Tranquillitatis across Plinius and that demarcation turns out 
be the same, the same kind of gray tan, you know - it's a 
darker . 

CAPCOM But there is a color difference between 

Serenity and Tranquillitatis there? 

AMERICA Yeah, there's a definite color differ- 

ence between - and it almost looks like if you could expand 
on color alone, the color from Tranquillitatis extends on 
over into - you know, it kinda drapes over the edge and 
covers up part of Serenity. 

CAP COM Okay, we got that. Well, that should be 

all your photos there for that pass, Ron. 

AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM And Ron, before we get into the visual 

here, we'd like high gain auto. 

AMERICA Yeah, high gain on. 

CAPCOM And if you can give me a magazine report 

on that - two pictures? 

AMERICA (garble) away from the window. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 CST 19:33 GET 142:39 CM-83/1 



CAP COM 
on that position? 
SC 

magazine Lima Lima 



And can you give me a magazine report 



(garble) window. 

and it's 129 
i 



Okay 



the rilles, it's not impact type 
a volcanic ejecta of some kind, 



We ' re 

Now we ' re at the 
extreme sun angle and there's no doubt it, from tack A 
on up to Mel something or other there's a group of small 
rilles in there and those rilles have got ejected material 
around and up and over 
ejecta, it's got to be 

up around there. It's a dark brown, a darker brown than 
the tan of Serenitatis. 

CAPCOM Roger, you're referring to the 

Manilius rilles there right to the west of Tackay, right 

SC That's to the west of Tackay, still 

looks like it's in the Serenitatis, but the Serenitatis 
basin - right on the edge of it. 

Rog, we see them. 

And then they kind of stop just even 
it is, Manilius or something like 



ever 



Not Manilius or Manilia, take your 
Ye ah , okay . 

Do you see a ray coming out of Menilius 
Bethel, is that one of Tycho's rays. 

Uh, it disappeared, couldn't see 



CAP COM 
SC 

with Mel what 
that . 

CAPCOM 

p ick . 

SC 

CAP COM 
going through 
SC 

that one. 

CAP COM Roger. 

SC Take a look next time 

CAPCOM That was my question 

curious . 

S C Yeah . 

there, and I haven't 
ray, yet. 
CAP COM 
SC 

CAPCOM 
see if you can see 
p as s . 

SC (laughter) I've been looking for 

that ever pass. And there's a lot of depressions and 
ridges and hills around there. It's hard to - see, you 
don't really get a big picture view of it, you get a little 
piece of it at a time and I think in order to really 
convince yourself that you've got something there, you're 

from it and uh - 



map , 
of a 



I know it 
really got 



aroun d . 

I was just 



shows it on the 

a good clear picture 



I'm going to be more interested to see - 
Want to see it for sure next time. 
I'm going to be more interested to 
the alleged crator Arabia on 



this next 



to 



going to have 
CAPCOM 
SC 

nothing I've ever 
CAPCOM 



get off 
Rog, 



away 
understand. 



(garble) 
see before 
Roger . 



I'm 



sure a depression. Like 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 CST 19"33 GET 142:39 CM-83/2 

CAPCOM You got a good chance to get 

some pictures of that next rev. 

SC Next rev, okay, they ought to be 

good ones 'cause the sun angle is going to be pretty 
good. But at this point you get a dark tan, kind of a 
mare type material, it's in a mare type material, and 
then it's a light gray down in the deep Caldera itself. 
Sure looks like a D all right, but it's a light gray down 
there and it's got bumps that stick up, and the bumps 
themselves are, I want to look at it again for sure, but 
I get the impression the bumps themselves are the light 
tan material. 

CAP COM Okay, understand, Ron, light tan. 

SC Yeah, the bumps are light tan and 

then down between the bumps that are down in the caldera 
it looks like a rough, a real rough blocky gray material. 
Well, I hope you're keeping me honest on the flight plan, 
I've got my head out the window (laughter) I can't follow 
the flight plan. 

CAPCOM It's affirmative, all you've got is 

in about 4 minutes or 3 minutes now you pick up orbital 
signs visual on Copernicus and we'll just stay with you 
on those ORBS signs visuals right through RINER GAMA and 
at 143:12 you've got a rather rapid time you might 
want to quite early. Get the LOI cannister changed and 
then you've got a P52, so your choice on that. I'll call 
you right at 143:12, if that's what you want. 

SC Okay, give me a call right there, 

because I've got to get right into that stuff. I'll do 
the P52 first so you all can see it and then I can all 
ways change that cannister. 

CAP COM Yeah, okay, we'll confirm that, but 

just don't forget it. 

S C Ok ay . 

CAPCOM Ron, you're coming up on Copernicus, 

I might read you some of these questions. One of them 
was study the floor of Copernicus and compare it's 
material to that on the wall terraces. The other one is 
when viewed from the opposite direction is an extension 
of the structure in the middle central peak, I guess 
that we refer that with might be a dike in that middle 
central peak, and what is the nature of that structure. 

SC Okay. I think those things are going 

to be kind of hard to see, but we'll try. 

CAPCOM The back room would like for you 

to kind of concentrate on looking at that dike if it's 
at all possible, Ron, even if you have to use the 
b inoculars . 

SC Okay. 

CAPCOM If you want to feel for some scale 

on that, just a reminder, the crater is about 3 killimeters 
deep and the central peak is 400 meters high around. 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 CST 19:33 GET 142:39 CM-83/3 
SC 400 meters, okay. 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 19:43CST 142:49GET CM 84/1 



Is this Eratosthenes I'm 



passing over now 
about over Era- 



because the 
out here . 



old 



Yeah, you should be just 

n o w . 

I hope it's Eratosthenes 
right in my rendezvous light 
Roger. 

You can't see anything out the window. - 
- Well, I'll tell you what, I think 



cut 



AMERICA 
I hope . 

CAP COM 
tosthenes right 

AMERICA 
sun is shinging 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 
Ah, - there's Copernicus 
we need more daylight. 

CAPCOM Kind of tough, huh? 

AMERICA Yeah, especially you - the binocs 

off - it must cut off too much light or something. 

CAPCOM Okay, we understand that. You might just 

stick with the naked eye there and do the best you can, I guess 

AMERICA Well, I'm trying to - to recall what Jack 

said on it and what I see - I'm not sure, did he mention the 
dark part to the south, on the south part - side of Copernicus? 
In other words you can see albedos real well and there's a dark 
that - extends maybe - oh a half a crater diameter - three- 
quarters of a crater diameter to the south and it kind of flows 
down in - I don't want to say flows - but at least it carries 
itself down - down the crater wall - down to the crater floor. 
And this is kind of in the south - maybe from six - a - let's 
see - from about 4:30 to 7:30, and then the rest of the crater 
all the rest of the way around it - you 
steppes all the way around the crater - 
down and about a fourth of the way down 



are a 



I don't recall that 



can see light albedo 
it's the first step 
in the crater wall, 
but it sounds good, Ron 



Okay. - Unfortunately this thing's moving - 



Take a look at the peak and 
the center in the center of 



concen trate 
the peak, if 



Okay, - it 



CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
disappear fast. 

CAPCOM 
on that mountain 
you will, Ron. 
AMERICA 

recall as I was looking at it 
me like there's four and they 
texture as the - not 
that first - ring on 
interspersed between 

could just tell it's the darker albedo 
for sure - it's not part of the crater floor - it's just a 
darker albedo - interspersed in there. And I spent - oh, half 
the time - trying to acquire the thing in the binocs - and it 
just cuts the - the binocs just cuts down the light too much. 

CAP COM Okay, we'll try maybe later on the binocs 

on Copernicus. I guess you're coming up in the Kepler area. 
Aren't you're coming up on Kepler B. 

AMERICA Yeah, I think there should be a Kepler B 

right out there now. 



s already passed now, but I can 
- the peaks - well, it seems to 
have the same light albedo 
texture but the same light albedo - as 
the inner wall of 
those white peaks 



the crater and then 
were a darker - you 



- and you couldn t tell 



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Let ' s 



Isn ' t 



see - that's a (garbled) Oceanus Procellarum. 
it. That's affirmative. 
Yeah, and then Aristarchus is coming up, 
No, that's Kepler. 

I think Kepler's the real bright one with 
from - coming out of it. 



Yeah, it's got a lot - it's got a lot of 



AMERICA 
CAP COM 
AME RI C A 
I think, isn't it? 

CAP COM 
many bright rays 
AMERICA 

bright rays on it. Kepler B and there must be another one 
down there. They - the two small Keplers don't show any bright 
rays at all. They show - there are bright slopes on the inner 
walls - the rays of Kepler really show up quite markedly in 
the Earth shine. I'll bet they - I'll bet they show up probably 
better in Earth shine than 
Earth shine tends to bring 
ably . 

CAP COM Why don 

right over Kepler, Ron? 



they do otherwise, because I think 
out the albedo differences consider- 

't you give me a hack when you're 



will do. And then, what's 
one about the same size of 
is about the same size and 



dire ctly 
Kepler . 
dire ct ly 



Yeah , 
west - 
a - it 
only 



that's it . 
no, I mean 



a 



Okay, Encke 
- departing 



Encke 
on it's 



has 

e as tern 



light - well, I don't 



AMERICA Okay, 
south of Kepler. There's 
CAP COM Encke 
south of Kepler. 

AMERICA 
departing from the 
side - it's either 
the world it could 
I can see. But 

of the diameter of Encke and it goes out to the east a little 
ways and then curves back - it goes out to the east - oh - about 
three quarters of a crater diameter and then essentially curves 
back to the northeast and continues on out for another crater 
di amete r . 

CAPCOM Roger. Good show. 

AMERICA There might be - there might be in the margin 



see how in 
have one ray but that's the only one 
there's a light streak - oh - about - an eighth 



of the highlands 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 



there , I'm sure 



window 
END OF 



th ree , 
TAPE 



won 



Okay . 
Let ' s 
it? 



see - Reiner Gamma is going to be out of 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 142:59 CST 1953 CM- 85/1 



AMERICA Let's see, Reiner Gamma's going to be 

out of window 3, won't it? 

CAPCOM That's affirmative, Ron. Window 3 for 

Reiner Gamma. 

AMERICA Yeah. Okay, it's just north of - sure 

can't remember those names - Kiper - 

CAP COM North of Kepler there? 

AMERICA Kepler, yeah. And I'm looking out of 

window 3 now and you can still see those rays. They must 
be coming from Kepler. They go on way on up north here toward 
- there's - the next one is - 

CAPCOM Yes, do you see much going up toward Marius , 

the re ? 

AMERICA (garble) Yeah, I can see Aristarchus - 

I think that must be Aristarchus way back over to the north. 

CAPCOM Yeah, that's Aristarchus, that's affirmed. 

AMERICA Yeah, yeah. 

CAPCOM Can you see anything on that Marius 

rille up there? Or is that too far up? 

AMERICA That's what I've been kinda looking for 

and I can just see some - about three or four light spots 
up in there. But that's a long ways away, you know? It's 
about half way to the horizon or the three light areas I see 
and you can see Reiner Gamma. I guess Reiner is the 
crater there by the end of the big crater just before you 
get to it. 

CAP COM That's affirmed. 

AMERICA I think. And then, Reiner Gamma - 

hey, you know, from here it almost looks like it's the 
ejecta from a crater because - and then continuing from the 
bottom of the gamma is, again, a lighter albedo that comes 
down toward the crater Reiner about half way between the 
two of them and then it takes off and goes perpendicular to 
the line between Reiner and Reiner Gamma. 

CAP COM Roger, we copy that. 

AMERICA And that's a lighter, a lighter albedo - 

that demarcation there. 

CAPCOM Is there any topographical expression 

associated with brightness? The brightness of gamma? 

AMERICA Well, that's what - it's very hard to 

pick up. Maybe that's what the - what I'm describing here 
is going perpendicular to the two of them. I've got to 
check and see if its, you know, a rise from a relatively 
flat area up to a kind of a hilly terrain. 

CAPCOM Any dirt deposits associated with the 

gamma - Reiner Gamma? 

AMERICA Yeah, the gamma itself is dark. Now, 

at zero phase, - hey, I think we're going to be lucky - the zero 
phase is going to go right through it. But, there are dark 
in other words, the gamma itself - is about the same size as 
the - the full extension is about the same size as the 
crater Reiner and then a half of a crater diameter on the 



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Do 



CAP COM 
the light 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
colored stuff 



inside of that. Of course, in the gamma type shape is a 
dark type material - zero phase is going right through it 
right now. By gosh, it didn't blot out the dark at all and 
dark material - 

Got any more thoughts about what it is? 
color markingsto the North look the same, Ron? 

You mean on toward the mare field area? 
Yeah, that's right. 

The only light - yeah, the only light- 
that you can see - I don't see anything off 
toward the mare field on the thing. You see it right around 
by the Reiner Gamma itself and then, intermixed within that is 
dark annulus, except the annulus is on the inside of the 
white. And, it looks like - I don't know if your 
deceive you in this darkness or not - but it sure 
the light colored stuff is raised up with respect 
dark. In other words, the dark almost looks like 
ior of a crater ramp - interior of a crater wall, 
CAP COM Roger. 

AMERICA With some white material around it 

that's what it looks like in the darkness. And, then on 
the southwestern rim of it it almost looks like a - you've 
got a breach of the dark albedo stuff going out to the 
southeast corner of it in two spots. Okay, let me - the 
light stuff turns into - how do you put it - a darker 
s wirly-1 ooking type stuff as you continue on west of Reiner 
Gamma. It crosses a kind of a wrinkle ridge. I can see a 
wrinkle ridge down there now. It crosses the wrinkle ridge 
with no - with no apparent change in albedo, anyhow, as it 
crosses the ridge. 

CAPCOM Roger, got you. 



eyes 

looks like 
to the 
the inter- 
you know? 



Now 



ridge on my map. I think we ve got 
AMERICA Okay. 
CAP COM You still think 

of those craters? 



I 
it 



think 
here . 



I ' ve got the 



of 



from 

AMERICA 
know , it's k ind 
It doesn't look 
In other wo rds , 
like a ray does. 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 
ray. Yeah. Okay, 



you might be away from 



of the - You 



That' s the las t 
associated with it's own little thing. 



like it's a ray 
it doesn't thin 



It doesn't look like a ray 
out in different parts of it 



Okay, you - 

It looks like it's a lot thicker than a 
this must be Riccioli, I guess, the big 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 142:59 CS T 1953 CM-85/3 



crater, about now - 

CAPCOM We're just coming up on Ricci - Grlmaldi 

and you have to go to Hevelius first of all, then you get 
into Grimaldi and Riccioli. 

AMERICA Okay, that's Hevelius - that's the one 

I'm approaching right now. Hevelius is showing up real 
clear. You can see the slumping of the crater walls coming 
down there. It's a fairly old type crater because you 
don't see any rays associated with it, although the slumping 
is not completely degraded. There's a flat floor with a 
central peak on it. The central peak has the same albedo 
as the lighter albedo - about the same albedo texture as 
the walls, as the west wall. We're passing over a - gener- 
ally a hilly type terrain and then just before we get into 
Grimaldi area, it looks like we're out in the plains type 
material again, interspersed with a hummocky type - well, 
I guess that hummocky stuff is associated with Grimaldi. 

CAP COM Roger. We'll check. The view is 

passing a little bit west to Grimaldi, now - 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 143:09 CST 20:03 CM 86/1 



We'll check the geostat 
Do you concur with that? 



and move it to the 
About right over 



Ah - this looks like Grimaldi, yeah, I guess it 



CAP COM 
west of Grimaldi 
Ric cio li . 
SC 

is though. 

CAPCOM Okay, Ron. You probably ought to think about 

if it's getting kind of dark there for seeing anything, you might 
consider getting in the P 52 although you're a couple minutes - still 
a couple more minutes left on that. If you can see back at Encke and 
Reiner Gamma from this angle it'd be good, otherwise if it's our you 
ought to just consider the 52. 

SC Okay. Ah, she's pointing in the wrong direction. 

CAP COM Okay. That was some good stuff, Ron. Just 

don't never fail to keep talking on that. We can sort it all out 
down. 



when we get 
SC 

now, must be out 
craters in there 
south. There 



Okay. The bright - I'm looking out window 1 
to the north, I guess, and there's two very bright 
just crossing some rilles. They run north and 



a little bit of 



mare material 



out in there. Wish 
going on P 5 2, I 



Roger. Understand you're changing LOX. LOX 



I knew what the crater was. Well, I better get 
g ues s . 

SC (Singing). Boy, the old heater sure working 

nutty. They're always nice and warm when you take them out. 

CAP COM 
engine OFF. 
SC 

CAPCOM 
SC 

out - 
Okay . 



me 



No , th e optics. 
Oh, okay, good. 
Telescope when you - you 
it's got a heater on it in there and it 
CMC 3, Duke 2 option 3. Okay, then back 



take the telescope 
gets it nice and warm - nice 
to P 20 . Okay 



this time we will not forget to go to AUTO. Okay, computer, find 
me a star. How about that. Menkar. Okay, take me to Menkar. Ah. 
Looks - Menkar. Okay , ( Canopus - Canopus). Okay, take me to Canopus 
Yeah, Canopus is bright as all get out. 

CAPCOM Just like the simulator, huh? 

SC Bright - brighter than any star we've ever 

had in the simulator. So bright he almost blanks out the crossair. 
That' s better. 

Yeah, I hope it's Saturn, huh? 
(Laughter) Me too. 
Well, we'll know in a minute 



y o ur 



CAP COM 
SC 

CAPCOM 
905. 
SC 

CAP COM 
SC 

CAPCOM 
SC 

CAP COM 



when we look at 



Ah , man , okay . 

Nothing wrong with that one. 
That's pretty good. 
Yes, we'll buy that. 
Think that's a good one. 
Okay, why don't you go ahead. 



t o rq ue 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 143:19 CST 2013 CM-87/1 



CAP COM 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 

Univectors of 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 

in my - planet 
CAP COM 



Ron, you can 



we'll torque 



go 
at 



ahead 
19 . 



and torque 



Okay , 
Okay , 

Okay, good show, Ron. 

Now, I do - that's just in there isn't it. 
Saturn that ought to be in here somewhere? 
Say again, Ron. 

The univectors of Saturn - aren't they 
univectors, yeah. Mars - ah, here we go. 

Hey, we just got a beautiful picture of 



the Earth from the Rover, just spectacular picture of the 
Earth . 

AMERICA Right. 

CAPCOM Yeah, just beautiful. Lowell Bindell's 

been hunting for it all night but he finally found it. It's 
just beautiful. 

CAPCOM Ron, we're five minutes from LOS here. 

Everything's looking gre a t ( garb le ) check list on that TM - 
T-20 and CMP mode back to auto, and then 

If you'll go 



back and 



just 
p i ck 



a reminder on 
that up we'd 



Okay, we'll get that 
Saturn there. 
Okay . 

This VOX mode is just 



to us . It's re ally 



I'll try and 



the LOH canister 
appre ciate it . 

AMERICA Okav. we'll get that one 

see if I can find 

CAP COM 

CAP COM 

sitting here following what you're doing, you don't even 
have to talk 
AME RI CA 
CAPCOM 



great . We ' re 



you 



great. 

(Laughter) I think it's great too. 
Your voice is so clear you sound like 
re in the next room. 
AMERICA Oh, really? You know that's funny because 

I really can't hear myself in the, you know, in the intercomm. 

CAPCOM All right. You sound - you sound louder 

in my earphone than in the simulator there when you're down 
at the Cape or over here across the way. You're just loud 
and clear, even better than amen. 

AMERICA (Laughter) That's good. Yeah, it's beyond 

the field of view. Maybe we ought to catch it another time. 
CAP COM Yeah, that's too bad. 

CAPCOM We're going to pick you up at 144:10, 

be losing you in another minute or so and 144:10. Have a good 
b acks ide . 

Okay . 

And you might check your ZPN fittings 
sensors when you get a chance on the backside 
still not giving much good data. 

Okay, yeah, it looks like a lot of little 
time this time so I'll do it. 



when 
here 



AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
you are - 
They're 
AMERICA 
this time 



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CAPCOM Rog. Don't let them tear you away from the 

window, though. 

AMERICA (Laughter) Okay. 

CAPCOM And we dumped the data from the last couple 

backsides revs and you sound real good, Ron. 

AMERICA Okay, hey, real fine. You know, the guys 

on the lunar surface don't even have any ZPN, you know. They 
left it up here. 

CAPCOM Rog. 

AMERICA (Garble) I didn't know that until they left. 

Okay, the old Li OH canister - let's see, 13 in the A and 13 
must be in A9 then. (Singing) Another old 13. Take 14 out 
so we put the other guy at the bottom. 

CAPCOM Hey, Ron, we just had a discussion here 

and your point is well taken and why don't you just go ahead 
if you want to, take the ZPN signals, the yellow plugged ones 
off and take them off for the evening if you like. 

AMERICA Hey, that sounds like an excellent idea. 

Thank you. 

AMERICA Okay, for 11 - out. Make nice balls, I 

guess, none of them have been stuck so far. 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 CST 21:00 GET 144:08 CM-88/1 



AMERICA Houston, Coming in. (garble). Dark striation. 

Vertical (garbled). Up and down the (garble) rim and it looks like 
there's a black - they all look green - you know, looks kind of a 
green gray in this type of light back on this side. The green 
gray material is down in the center of the Rooster Tail 
or floor of the Rooster Tail and the floor is about one fourth 
the diameter. Let's turn this thing off. Fierce EL 250. 
8 second in te rvs lome te r and I lost it (garble) 
counting secondly yesterday. Stuff around here that 
disappears like nothing. 

CAPCOM Ron, this is your friendly interval - 

intervalome ter operator speaking. Can I help you? 

AMERICA (laughter) Okay. Let's see we're about 150 - 

No, I'm going to take two more pictures on this frame 
and phase it up on Lima Lima, huh? Off to the north. 
Maybe it's got more than 160. I'll keep it. 

AMERICA Okay, Lima Lima is on 161. I don't 

know how many is left. There's 160, on iy, still 
going. Mag Mike starting with number 1. 

CAP COM Mag Mike number 1 Roger. 

CAPCOM Ron, just for your information, we're 

not going to give you a TE I 49 pad or a state vector 
at this pass. We're going to give it to you at the beginning 
of next pass. We want to refine our data a little bit. 

AMERICA Oh, okay. Hey, I found the in t e rvalome te r 

(laughter). Stuck under the seat between the web and 
the metal part. 250 lens on this. Okay. Ta ta da da. 
(garble) let's see now. 8 - lifted - 88 frames. Takes 
lots of pictures. Okay, that's frame 160 on Lima Lima. 
Now, configure the camera. Okay, Pierce. Bet. And mag 
Que 1 s (garble) . 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 CST 21:20 GET 144:18 CM89/1 



CAPCOM That photo shows going right across 

Arabia there, on this last - a little bit ago, Ron. 

AMERICA Okay, yeah those were good. You can kind 

of see the topographic rise in the Sanger area, especially 
it's a little bit higher to the west of Sanger then to the east, 
but you can still see a general rise in that area. 

CAP COM Roger. 

AMERICA Gives you kind of a hint of the second 

ring of Arabia. 

CAP COM Real good. Ron, we need to get battery 

A - terminate the charge on battery A. 

AMERICA Okay, the charger OFF, Bat A looks about 

37 Volts. Relay bus coining closed. 

AMERICA Okay, on the pan camera photos, when you 

want to start looking at something, look for a small - okay, 
just to the east of Abul Wafa - there's a small crater about 
oh, he must be 2 to 400 meters in diameter and he's got a 
black stripe right on the western wall - going down the west- 
ern wall of the crater. It doesn't look like the stripe ex- 
tends beyond the rim at all - just down inside the crater 
wall. Also, next to - oh I forgot where I was. 

CAP COM What was the name of the crater with the 

black wall or where was it near again. 

SC Well, it's right near Abul Wafa on the 

first ring of Arabia. 

CAPCOM Okay. 

SC And I think that oughta be up in the - 

should show up in the pan camera. 

CAP COM Okay, good, good show. You notice the 

swirls right near Abul Wafa. 

SC Yes, I really saw them that time and 

where the swirls really show up are about a crater diameter 
from Pershaw - a crater diameter to the west. And I talked 
about it on the tape, but basically, they're kind of a con- 
centric swirls in that area with light and dark, and the 
contrast between the light and dark is something tremendous. 
The dark is not a mare dark tan, but it comes real close to 
it . 

CAP COM Real good. Ron, you're coming up within 

a minute of this - or a couple minutes of this Orbital Science 
photo of Pierce starting at - in the Sea of Craters - Crisium 
and going through Pierce and that area. 

AMERICA Okay, let's see. That would be out win- 

dow 3. We're going to stay F8 all the way across on this 
one , huh ? 

CAP COM No, it says F8 to start and then, accord- 

ing to the flight plan, you change to F 5.6 and you'll change 
that at about micro bus A and then you'll go to 1-125 right 
at the Littrow area. 



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AMERICA Okay, we don't want to jump to Fll going 

across those highlands, huh, on the western edge of Crisium. 

CAPCOM No, see F8 - it shows F8 on the map all the 

way across Crisium starting at F8 and using F8 all the way across 
Cri s i urn . 

AMERICA Okay. Let's see, there's Picard X so we 

should start about right here somewhere. 

CAPCOM Yeah, it's close to the rilles or what- 

ever you call it - the rilles I guess - to the north of 
Picard X is where you start. 

AMERICA Okay, shows come on, inte rvalome te r , okay we 

started it just about tip time. Okay, there's absolutely no colo 
variation on these flow fronts or scarps or - by golly flow front 
looks to me like. Just looking north right from Picard X. 

CAPCOM Roger. You'd call them flow fronts and - 

AMERICA Flow front or a - you know it's hardly 

even - let's me see they're bright on the high side as you're 
looking north, you know, They're bright on the high side I would 
presume. They kind of run east and west. 

CAPCOM Roger, according to the map they're just 

exactly west. 

AMERICA Yeah. 

CAPCOM Your photo path goes directly between 

Pierce and Pierce Bravo and leads up toward Pierce Charlie, 
just a little bit north of Pierce Charlie. 

AMERICA Okay. Pierce Charlie has really got some 

black lines going down - vertical down them. 

CAPCOM You talking about inside the crater - 

black vertical lines inside the crater. 

AMERICA Yeah, inside the crater and also it looks 

like it carries on across. I'll have to get a little bit 
closer on 3 and see if it carries on across or not. 

AMERICA Those can't be shadows. You can still 

see the darker annulus around Pierce. Pierce Bravo 's also 
got a dark annulus around it. Pierce Bravo only goes out 
to about a half a crater diameter though. 

CAP COM Roger. 

AMERICA You know Pierce Charlie looks like the 

insides of the South Massif, almost. You look down in that - 
in other words there's a kind of highly eroded elongate 
crater . 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 CST 21:20 GET 144:28 CM90/1 



but they all point 

CAP COM 

AME RI CA 

CAP COM 
yes, it does 

AMERICA 
middle of a little 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
Macrobius , there, 
southern edge of 

AME RICA 

CAP COM 



AMERICA peaks are all vertical. You know I don't 

have a - vertical is the only way I know how to describe them 
They point toward - you know radially - they point radial, 

toward the middle of the crater. 
Ro ger . 

Does that make sense. 

(laughter) We'll try and fathom out - 
make sense Ron. 

Okay. Pierce CHARLIE was right in the 
framelet there. 
South of Macrobius, huh. 
Yes. you're just 
Right on the edge 
Macrob ius . 
Okay . 

As you get up ahead 
mare and the highlands 
5.6. 



line between the 
is where you'll change to 

AMERICA Okay. 

AMERICA Do we go north of 

CAPCOM Boy it looks like you 

north of Macrobius ALPHA, that's affirm, 
little north of Macrobius BRAVO. 

AMERICA Yes, that's what I mean 



a little bit south of 
of it actually on the 



between - the contact 
- at Macrobius ALPHA 



Macrobius ALPHA? 



just - 
You're 



yes , 

even 



you re 
just a 



BRAVO Macrobius 



BRAVO. There's a beautiful - between Macrobius BRAVO and 
Macrobius there's a beautiful ray excluded - what do you call 
butterfly - a little butterfly - about a 1000 meter crater. 
CAP COM Roger. 

AMERICA Got 'em. (Laughter) 

CAPCOM Okay, you ought to be changing 5.6. 

AMERICA Okay, let's see - that's 5. - ah. Now 

again is where sun angle may make a little bit of difference 
on the thing, but this kind of a hummocky close to Sculptured 
H.ll type of material that we're flying over between Proclus 
and Macrobius A and B. It doesn't look at all like the 
Sculptured Hills at the landing site area. In other words, 
all along the edge of Crisium or edge of Serenitatis you have 
the Sculptured Hills effect that has the vertical dark linea- 
tions in it? These ver ti cal- radial or whatever you want to - 
lineations - striations I guess - dark striations - are not 
apparent on the western edge of Crisium at all. Where does 
this come out by - the landing site - north of the landing 



it - 



site 



CAP COM 



You're quite a bit north of the landing 



over 



AMERICA 

CAPCOM 

AMERICA 

( garble) 

CAPCOM 

Serenity there 



Littrow in fact 
Over Littrow. 



you 



re north of Littrow 



You're north of Littrow. 

Okay, we're trying to get the Littrow 

Okay, when you cross into the mare on 
after Littrow you want to change to 1/25. 



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AMERICA 

CAP COM 
A, Bessel ALPHA 

AMERICA 
out there - let's see 
it - way out there. 

CAP COM 
rilles there 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 
front across 
that changes 



Okay, so that will be - 

And Ron, this camera pass ends at Bessel 
the Sea of - in Serenity - Serenitatis. 
Okay, let's see that's beyond the rilles 



- that's quite - about the middle isn t 



Yes, you cross those east-west running 
in Serenitatis and then get right up to Bessel. 
Okay . 

I don't think that scarp should be a flow 
there, but it sure does look like it. The thing 
your mind about it being a flow front is that 
it goes up the North Massif. I couldn't see any real continua- 
tion - it looked like there were 2 possible continuations on 
the south side and the South Massif. I'll have to take another 
look at that the next time around. 

CAPCOM Okay, high gain to AUTO when you get a 

chance there, Ron. And you've got to switch over for this 
terminator photo P29 CHARLIE on Sulpicius Gallus. 



AMERICA 
AMERICA 



Okay . 
Okay , 



Serenitatis from Sulpicius Gallus 



huh? 



CAPCOM 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
or right to the 
2 50 millimeter. 

AMERICA 
and starting at 



Roger, you get - 
That' 11 be 2 to 500 . 

And then Fll on the mountains right behind 
west of Sulpicius Gallus, and that's using the 



Okay, these are 250 - F22, okay going back 



79 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 144:38 CST 2130 CM-91/1 



AMERICA K is vect Quebec Quebec starting at 79. 

CAPCOM Got it. Starting at 79. Roger. 

AMERICA I've got 6 in window. Yeah, which window, 

let's see, yeah. 

CAPCOM I don't have my Sunday helper here, or I'd 

give it to you. 

AMERICA (Laughter) 

CAPCOM CM5 is what we think. 

AMERICA I can see it out of window 3. Lets see, if - 

CAP COM Yeah, try CM 5, Ron. 

AMERICA Yeah, this CM 5 is a good one. Okay, so that's 

6 of them around Sulpicius Gallus there. There's 22 to 500th's. 

CAPCOM Okay, and get those Halmus Mountains right 

next to the west of Sulpicius Gallus. 

AMERICA Yep. 

CAPCOM Then you get DeCaldera. 

AMERICA Okay. Hope I can find it this time again. 

(Laughter) Wouldn't it be a hell of a note. 
CAPCOM You better believe it. 

AMERICA - take a picture of it but couldn't find it. 

(Laughter) Okay, let's see. One, two, three, four, five. Okay, 
next one is - hold on that. 

CAP COM Okay, on DeCaldera you want to go f / 8 at 

l/250th . 

AMERICA Okay, let me get some of these mare - still 

got to get the Halmus Mountains there. 
CAPCOM Okay, surely. 

AMERICA And get some of the - 

AMERICA Okay, DeCaldera - 250th, huh? 

CAP COM Yeah, l/250th f/8. F/8 l/250th on DeCaldera. 

AMERICA Okay. I found it. 

AMERICA Okay, what's the next one? 

CAPCOM Okay, I don't even know what the name of it 

is - it's just immediately up - it's that gill and rille there 
just immediately to the west of DeCaldera. 

AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM Looks like it'd be right at the terminator. 

AMERICA a - 12 5th. Ah, yeah, it is as a matter 

of f ac t. 

CAPCOM Ron, when - as soon as you're done with the photos, 

you might take the laser altimeter. We - it went belly up during 
this photo pass, just absolutely quit like you'd shut it off with 
your toe or something. 

AMERICA Thank you. Okay. It is off, as a matter of 

fact. Should I turn it on now? 

CAPCOM Why don't you turn it on so we'll get a check 

here, and then it'll be coming off in a second. Think you got it 
with a toe or something? 

AMERICA Okay, it's on. 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 144:38 CST 2130 CM-91/2 



s see, let's recapitulate here. Mag Q Q - we're 



AMERICA 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
and then all of a 
complete belly up. 

AME RI CA 
my underwear here. 
Let 

I'm not sure where 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
all your calls. I 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
away. So, if the 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
now, we've seen 

AMERICA 



I must have. 

Okay, it's working good too. 

I wonder if I ever turned it on? 

No, it - you was - it was on and running, Ron, 
sudden about 5 minutes ago we got a - just a 
No power to it at all. 

Oh. Well, I tell you, I've worn the toes through 
so you just - you do a lot of rolling around. 



it was when we started 
I think you gave me a 
Ah, I didn't write it 



on frame 
on that one. 
call at 79, didn't 
down. (Laughter) 



104 



you 



ve - 
up . 



we ve got ten 



That's all right. We've - you' 
think Tommy can figure that one 
Oh , okay . 

Tommy's shaking his head, he's 
bookkeeper's right, we're right. 
Oh, okay. (Laughter) 
And you can go ahead and start 
the laser altimeter enough I think. 

Okay. Mapping camera off. Yeah, dt ' s dark 



got it all squared 



dialing that line 



down 
to Off 



there, I'm not getting any more pictures. Okay, mapping camera 
at 8 30 seconds. Okay, we're rolling them up. 

CAPCOM Okay, you've got mapping camera to standby and 

image (garble) up. 

AMERICA Okay, mapping camera to standby. Off barber pole. 

Gray. Laser altimeter, off. Okay, we're already in GMC 3 and we're 
rolling left . 

Rog, Ron. I think it'll just help me to remind 
gain angles that you see in this block here are 
VOX here during the maneuver, that' s the reacquire 



high 
lose 



CAP COM 
you that those 
strictly if we 
angle . 

AMERICA 

CAPCOM 
here right now, and 
they do white right 
among ' em. 

AMERICA 



Okay, that's after we get to apoges, okay. 
I'm watching your buddies on the screen down 
believe me they've got more black showing than 
now of those suits. They've really been down 

They out to the scarp yet? 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 CST 21:40 GET 144:48 CM-92/1 



AMERICA 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 

station 2 and 
CAP COM 

as a matter of 



They up to the start, yet? 

Yeah, they're ah - let me ask Bob here - 
At the edge of the mountains - have they a 
It's going up and down the SCARP. We're - 
Okay. Maybe they've gone all the way pass 
then they're going to Station 4. 

Ro g . See, they're at station 3 right now, 
fact. That's where we saw them on TV. They've 



been up to Massif 
to St ation 3 . 

AMERICA Okay. Mike 

I ever told you that or not. 

AMERICA 
s uppose to . 

CAPCOM 
you're try in g 
gets up there 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 



and up to station 2 and now they're back down 

I don T t know i f 



Mike is at 95 



I think I always get more pictures than I 



m 



We've decided, that what you 
to use up all the crew option ones 



re doing is , 
before Jack 



(Laughter) You guessed it. 

Hey, which reminds me. If you get to a 
point where you've got one of these MAGS that doesn't have enough 
for a complete set, you know, we could make those options on the 
end of a reel and use a Poppa Poppa there. 

CAP COM Rog. That's affirmative. 

CAPCOM Hey, Ron, I've got to ask 

last eat period, did you leave the Hasselblad 



this. During the 
running without 



a bag in it, 

AMERICA 
didn ' t . 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
on the in te rvalome te r . 
Hasselblad sounded this 



just to pull our chain? 

(laughter) No, that's a good one. I really 



(Laughter) Did ah - Have I used 
of these, than I should have? 

No, we haven't caught any anomalies 



CAP COM 
there . 
AMERICA 
on some 
CAPCOM 
usage. 
AME RICA 
AMERICA 

1 t kn ow before. 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
the simulator, it's 
nice and smooth transition, 
and it goes - kind of takes 



Your' s still clicking all the time, huh? 
Rog. It was very periodic, just like it was 
It sounded just like the - just like the 
last time. Just exactly like it. 
Probably it was just pulling its hair out 



over 



film 



film 



di dn 



up any more 



in the 



(Humming) 18 32, Roll attitude. 
You know, I just noticed something that I 

What' s that. 

That is, that when you maneuver, you know on 
just like the eye view ball, you know, it's 
you know. You look at the GDC ball 
its jump in pitch and then a jump 



in Yaw, a jump in Pitch and the a jump in Yaw. If you put it 
on ball 2, then ball 1 usually does the same thing. 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 CST 21:40 GET 144:48 CM-92/2 



CAP COM Roger. 

AMERICA Yeah, it does the same thing, that's just the 

way the GDC operates, I guess. 

AMERICA And, it's not the ball it's just the GDC. 

CAPCOM That - GSE says that's nominal. 

AMERICA I'm sure it is, but, you know, I just didn't 

give it any thought. Because, I hadn't noticed it before, I guess. 

END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 CST 21:50 GET 144:58 CM9 3/1 



CAPCOM Ron, while you're sitting there watching 

this maneuver - To completion - I've got some readups from 
Orbital Science reports for the CMP if you'd like to hear it. 

AMERICA Hey, I sure would - go ahead. 

CAP COM Okay, let's talk about the UV 1 s , The far 

UV spectrometer data has been excellent throughout the mis- 
sion. Indications are that the hydrogen atmosphere of the 
Moon is much less than expected. The Aero-B launch from 
White Sands on Monday failed to get solar UV calibration 
because an instrument viewing port failed to open. A second 
Aero-B flight is scheduled for tomorrow. The IR scanning 
radiometer is performing beautifully. Indications are that 
the sub-solar point surface temperatures are higher than 
earthbase observations predicted. Many thermal anomalies 
are being seen in the ocean coast alarm area west of 
Copernicus. A few unusual coldspots have also been detected, 
indicating areas of fine soil with few or no blocks. The 
Lunar Sounder data is excellent and the Specular Power Moni- 
tors signals correlate with surface features. HF data indicates 
that layers are being detected in the mare areas. Over. 

AMERICA Hey, beautiful. Man, that sounds like 

all that stuff's working good. Outstanding. It's good to 
hear . 

CAPCOM Roger, and don't worry about that short 

period of time there - your laser altimeter is off. It 
shouldn't effect anything. 



AMERICA 

CAP COM 
Ron , it's H2 tank 2 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 
to attitude. 

CAP COM Roger, 

AMERICA Okay, 
and roll as much since we 
still does - a little bit 



over there 



Okay . 

And anytime you can reach 
fans to ON for the night. 
Okay, tank 2 fans are going ON. 
It's rattling, we must be pretty 



you've got a 50-18 on the 
You know it doesn't shake, 



close 

DSKY. 
rat tie 



got rid of that tin can, but it 



you know there's 
I had thought it would be. 

We'd like ACCEPT. We've 
for you . 

Okay, you have ACCEPT. 



got a jett on 



a little more 

dynamic then 

CAPCOM 
monitor load 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
you think you 
else? 

AMERICA (laughter) I just say it doesn't shake, 

rattle and roll as much as it did when the other guys were 
on here . 



You're trying to say - you're prejudiced - and 
ve got a better flying vehicle than somebody 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 145:08 CST 2200 CM-94/1 



CAP COM 
at 25 and 195 as 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
shortly In Auto, 
AME RI CA 
CAP COM 
to block. 
AMERICA 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
got a couple 
knew you'd be 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
early on this pas 



back 



she 
an d 



Ron, we need REACQ and NARROW and the dials 
is in the flight plan. 

Ah ha, okay. We got it. 

Thank you, sir. We would have lost you here 
Oh , okay . 

Okay, Ron, the EMP's running and you can go 



Ok ay . 

(Garble) Working. 
Ron, Jamie wanted me 



to mention the fact that 



of A' s on some tests today, and she's real tickl 
happy to hear that. 

Hey, you bet, by golly. That's great. 
Ron, we're probably going to lose you a littl 
s, and we may - 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 22:10CST 145:18GET CM95/1 



CAP COM 
a little early on 
late at the start 



Ron, we're probably going to leave you 
this pass and we may pick you up a little 
of the next pass unless you were to try to 



acquire us manually or 
the flight plan, which 
coming in a little bit 
to us or anything like 
we'll be right there. 

AMERICA 
out window 3 here 
pretty quick. 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
der and take 



something like that. If you go via 
is really what we want, you will be 
later than shown. If you have to talk 
that, you can acquire manually and 



Okay, I was just looking at the Earth 
Boy, that's beautiful. (garbled) that 



Rog. 

Got some pictures of it the other day. 
Yeah, we were going to steal Jack's thun- 
a - take our own weather report when 
we had the TV looking at the Earth here a little bit ago. 
AMERICA (laughter) 

CAPCOM Jon told me to tell you to be sure - and 

- that he's so glad you're there because you worked so hard 



really tickled. Jan said 



all these years to be there. He 
to send her love. 

AMERICA Tell them I appreciate it very much. 

CAPCOM They're listening and hanging on every 

word . 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 146:06 CST 2300 CM-96/1 



CAP COM 
AMERICA 

n ow . 

CAP COM 
so we can give 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
blue leads? 

AME RICA 
I di dn ' t h ave 

CAP COM 



America, Houston. 

Okay, Houston, America. 



I'm with you 



Roger, Ron, good show. We need the SEP 
you the state vector. 

Okay. Sorry, I had my helmet off. 
No problem. Did you unplug your EKG 



No, but I didn't have the power 
the suit power on. 

Okay, (garble) looks good 



on 



see 



right now. You're in good shape there 



AMERICA 

CAP COM 
from the presleep 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
want it . 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
056 plus 096, 
minus 0 5 323. 
p ad not up , NA 



Yeah , okay . 

Ron, we want to delete cryo stir tonight 
checklist . 



Okay, it 
And I' ve 



s deleted . 
got a TEI 



49 pad any time you 



Okay . 
Okay . 
Stand 
Okay, 
185124795 . 
Roll of 182, 
Okay, the 



You ready to copy? 
by. Okay, ready to copy. 
Ron. TEI 49 SPS G&N 37568 plus 
Now 81s plus 27815 minus 18315 
pitch 104, yaw 330. Rest of the 
set starts are the same as al- 



ways, Sirius and Rigel, 133200030, 4 jett 12 seconds. Okay, 
and let me see - two comments - launch to the Moon at 



TIG minus 17834 - that's minus 178.34, and second 



commen t , 
Over . 



assume no plane change one, no plane change burn, 
And the computer's yours, Ron. 

AMERICA Okay, (garble) TI 49 SPS G&N 

37568 plus 056 plus 096 and take of 185:12:47.95. 81X plus 
2781.5 minus, 1831.5 minus 0532.3, 80 104 330. Rigel 
133200 jett 12 seconds. Lunar longitude at TIG is minus 
178.34. Assume no play change. 



your 
re ad 



CAP COM 
r e adb ack 
that? 
AME RI CA 
CAP COM 



on 



Good readback, Ron, but 
the roll - 182 is the roll 



I didn't catch 
- 182 . Did you 



Roger , roll 182 . 
Okay, I just missed the 

one - good readback. 

AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM While you're doing your 

list, you may be interested that at Shorty, 
found some very, very orange soil - a great 
cates strong oxidation and probably indicates 
volcanics in the 
a boy at Christmastime, I'll tell you, a little 
Christmastime on that one. 



readback on that 



presleep check- 
the surface crew 
deal of it indi- 
water and/or 
area and they're really - Jack's kinda like 



kid at 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GST 146:06 CST 2300 CM-96/2 



AMERICA (laughter) I'll bet he would be. Yeah, 

that's a great find, by gosh, 

CAPCOM Yeah, it's the first time we found - it's 

orange, boy, you can see it in the television. It's just 
bright orange soil, no question about it. 

AMERICA I'll be darned. 

CAPCOM And, as luck would have it, they found 

it all and got working and got - had to pull out of Shorty 
due to constraints - walkback constraints in the area - you 
know, consumables versus walkback. 

AMERICA Yeah. 

CAPCOM Okay, Ron, everything is - that's every- 

thing we've got from down here. Once you finish your pre- 
sleep checklist and you'll be cleared to turn the COMM off 
or turn the down voice to off, and have a good night's 
sleep. 

AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM And, if you've got anything in specific 

you want me to check into at the home front, I'll be glad 
to take it down and give them a call later or I can let you 
know tomorrow or even before you go to sleep if you want. 

AMERICA Okay, appreciate it but I can't think 

of anything. 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 CST 23:10 GET 146:16 CM-97/1 



SC Okay, appreciate it, but 

of anything right now. Just send my love. 



can ' t th ink 



CAP COM 
S C 

and we're duplexed 

CAP COM 
please. 

SC 

CAPCOM 
right, it 

SC 

get down here 
CAP COM 
SC 

CAPCOM 
just now. 
SC 

the circuit return 
door . 



Roger, they'll hear that. 

(Laughter) Okay, travel nine is receive, 
with (garble). Check my talk booster here 
Ron, that got garbled, say again, 

Ge t it? 

Okay, we got you, we got you. All 
s working good . 

(laughter) Okay. Well, I'm going to 
clean the old circuit return valve. 
Hey, Ron, - 
Yeah . 

Did you have some noise in the cockpit 



and 



Yeah , 
valve . 



I'm 



down here in the - cleaning 



Can you hear that, I was 



banging the 

CAP COM Yeah, that's exactly it. We're getting 

a noise on the loop that sounds exactly like that Hasselblad, 
Just exactly like the Hasselblad and that's what we got 
all during that eat period, but, you know, it gives a 
click and then it sounds like it's transporting film and 
another click, just exactly like the Hasselblad. 

SC Yeah (laughter). Yeah, but not from 

up here . 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 146:26 CST 23:20 CM 98/1 

AMERICA (Laughter) Naw, that's not ah - not from 

up here. Least I don't hear anything like that. 

CAPCOM Rog. Understand. 

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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 13:17CST 160:24GET CM 99/1 



posi- 

or whatever - 



AMERICA You know, I'm looking - from this 

tion back toward Le Monnier - Le Monnier - Le Monnier 
Le Monnier and you can see - (garbled) - you can 
see the annulus around Serenitatls - the demarcation is 
about - oh the diameter of Le Monnier towards westward from 
there and the demarcation of the color - the color from this 
observation again is a light tan - darn, I forgot to get that 

a darker tan than the tan of Sereni- 



colorwheel out - but it 
tatis . 

CAPCOM Roger, Ron. 

AMERICA The color boundary is 

any rille or anything that I can see. It 
there's any topographic expression to it 



- so I'm over here 



Ye ah . 
But - 



{ laugh te r) 



we 



CAPCOM 
up the Challenger 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 

CAPCOM 
cause they - we woke 
somebody on that one 
an d c loudy . 

AMERICA 

CAPCOM 
rainy outside. 

AMERICA 

AME RI CA 
that annulus around 

CAPCOM 

AMERICA 
( laughter) . 

CAPCOM Are you saying that 

right into Serenitatls and you see some 
of Le Monnier out there in Seneritatis, 



not associated with 
doesn't look like 



we just woke 



You might be interested Ron 
and they're all doing fine. 
Oh, hey, good - good. 

It sounds like Robert? Are you back on? 
Yeah, they pressed me into service be- 
up the Challenger and they needed 



It's still cold 



ve got one blessing - it's not 



Well, that's good, anyhow. 
Well, now even from here I 
that Le Monnier. 
I'll buy that. 
Pronounce those things for 



can still see 



me 



you 



know 



annulus is extended 
kind of like rings 
like that? 



AMERICA 



No, they aren't rings of it - just - 



a - 
the 



it's a diameter - it just extends into Serenitatis about 
diameter of Le Monnier. 
CAP COM Okay, we copy that. 

AMERICA Even from this distance and I'm almost 

to the western edge of Crisium looking back across there. 
And - even from this distance you can still see the - the - 
color boundary between the two. And as far as - it goes 
up north by Posidonius and then it kind of blends in and 
it looks - as far as I can tell anyhow - going from Posidon- 
ius on around to the north side of Serenitatis - of course 
it's a long ways away and I really can't see it but I couldn't 
tell a definite demarcation - it just kind of blended in 
from the tan to the dark tan. 

CAPCOM Roger. 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 13:17CST 160:24GET CM 99/2 



AMERICA Yeah, Bessel is the one crater that 

really shows up out there - it's the biggest one in the 
in the mare Serenitatis and it's also the one that has an 
ejected pattern - a fresh ejected pattern around it - and 
that really shows up in the shallow sun as you're looking 
back toward the sun. 

CAPCOM Copy, roger. 

AMERICA And this is the first time now, looking 

back towards the sun, where I've been able to see that - 
ray from - That's suppose to be a Tycho ray, isn't it - 
going right across Bessel? In the north south direction. 

AMERICA There's a 58 T - and let's see - what 

are we suppose to be doing here? Light coming in the window 
here - I can't see my DSKY. - 

CAPCOM Ron, if you'll standby with us, we're 

going to have roll maneuver here real quick for you so you can 
get the mapping camera out of the sun. 

AMERICA Oh, okay. Which way? 

CAPCOM Roger, Ron. We want a 360 - we want 

360 degree roll - 360 roll - 3 6 zero or zero zero zero, your 
cho i ce . 

AMERICA Okay, that's only 20 degrees. 

CAPCOM Yeah, That's - I didn't mean a 360 roll 

- j ust roll to 360 . 

AMERICA Yeah, that's right. That's what I had 

too . 

AMERICA (garbled) degrees to go. Will that hack it? 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 CST 13:27 GET 160:33 CM-100/1 



all 



341 



AMERICA 

CAP COM 
sun goes down you 

AME RI CA 
plus 90 minus 19 47 
di f f e ren ce . 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 

AME RI CA 

CAP COM 
did you kill 

AMERICA 
See what I 1 m 
roll back to 

CAP COM 
roll back to 

AME RI CA 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 
Foot foot foot 
changing . 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
fly it by hand 

AME RICA 
going down, okay, 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
were really pleased 
and that worked out 
visual, proved that 



How's that, gotten any clearer? 
Hey, Ron, looks good. Soon as the 
can roll back to 341 as required. 

Okay. Okay, there's my NOUN 78s, 90 
and 4, then it doesn't make any 



them right now. 
05 plus 50 okay. 



Rog, I'm looking at 
Hey, that's a minus 
Got it. 

D 41 22 plus 00 that looks good. 
Yeah, right on the money. Hey, Ron 
P20 when you brabbed the stick that time. 

Uh , I don't know, I don't think so. 
going to do, just as the sun goes down, I' 
my air needles recall P20. 

Ron, they're saying that when you 

P20 . 

I'll 



11 



do . 



you'll have to restart 

Yeah, that's - that's what 
Ok ay . 

Tut Tut Tuttttttttt Tut (humming). 
Can you tell with the - the pitch rate 



Ron , 



Roger , 
Ok ay . 
Must have 
there for a 
Covers 
we gotta 
Ditto, 
Pretty 
Jus t of 



felt good to be able to 

Yeah. Yeah, we're 



while, huh 



are open, 
go down. 
Ron . 

close, but we made it. 
interest to you, Ron, 



we 



I was able to get them 
one way or another, if 



with the way that our visual display 
last night during the orbital science 
they will feed me the questions and 

any comments 
it on REV 40 
REV 40 for 



to you. If you have 
you don't want to do 
you're not, but if no we plan right now on 
those orbital science visuals to do the same thing, going 
it's 



visual through landing site down through D-Caldero 



the same operation because it went 
we hope it went that same way for 

sure did, as a matter of fact, I 
kind of clues me on what to look 
through 'cause you see so many things 
- that you kind of - In fact, if any, 
a tendency to forget what the main things I should 
look for i s . 



and we're going to run 
so smoothly down here, 
you up th ere . 

AME RICA 
like it very much, 
for as you're going 
down there that you 
I have 
try to 



It 
It 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 CST 13:27 GET 160:33 CM-100/2 



CAPCOM Well, good show. We're prepared to 

do it on this next REV and I guess you might say, even 
though it isn't that way in the flight plan, we'll 
probably just stand by right straight through on REV 40 
where you pick up at the landing site and go right through 
D-Caldera we'll be just standing by for that whole REV, 
that REV, that whole piece about 12 minutes or so. 

AMERICA Okay. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 GET 160:45 CST 13:48 CM-101/1 

AMERICA Okay, looks like she worked. One at 

two-tenth's of a degree per second, now. 

CAPCOM OMNI Charlie, Ron, we'd like OMNI Charlie. 

AMERICA There it is. 

CAP COM Okay, and we hear the crackles. 

AMERICA Yeah, it sure does. It even crackles up 

here but I guess it's a lot worse down there, isn't it? 
CAP COM Yeah, we can live with it. 

AMERICA What time was that that you want to feed 

through to the LM? Prior to dock? I'm sitting on an OMNI 
waiting for a liftoff, I think. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 GET 160:55 CST 13:48 CM 102/1 



CAP COM 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 



Do what? 

Say again , Bob . 

My fault. I just kicked the pedal down here, Ron, 
(Laughte r) . 

Ron, just a little information for you. 



One of those little highlights of the day. 

AOS on this next pass, there'll be - White 

by and the countdown on Aerobee rocket for 

and if that one doesn't go they've got one 
w ay . 



When you come around 
Sands will be standing 
UV calibration shots 
for tomorrow same 



high 
yet ? 

high 



AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
AMERICA 
gain antenna 



Very good. Yeah, I 
Roger. We need the 
Ri gh t . 

Is it starting to look pretty 
scale down there? You switched 



hope this one works, 
calibration data. 



good on 
to high 



your 
gain 



CAP COM 
gain meter 



you 
PCM 



That's your cue, Ron. 
will be your best bet. 
AMERICA Oh, okay. 

CAPCOM You're at that time in 

should be able to get it and we should 
data. Sounds like you got it. 



What you think on the 



the flight plan where 
be able to get our 



AMERICA 

CAP COM 
as you get it in 

AMERICA 

CAPCOM 
to us . You so und 
really great COMM 

AMERICA 



Hey, it worked like a charm. 

Ro g . Boy, it sure does quiet down as soon 
there . 

(Chuckle). It does, doesn't it. 
I sure hope I'm as clear to you as you are 
like you're just in the next room. It's 

Yeah, you are, really. It's really great. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 GET 161:06 CST 1358 CM-103/1 

CAPCOM Ron, we're about ready to lose you and at 

161:30 you have a maneuver, we want to make sure that gets 
started on time because of Sun problems on the camera. 

AMERICA At 161:30, okay? 

CAPCOM It's just a matter of doing it on time or 

else you'll have Sun problems. 
AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM And it's because the camera's out of the - 

AMERICA I'll tell you when I'll start that. Yeah, 

I'll start that as soon as I get the cover closed on T stop. 
That give us a minute or so there, too. 

CAP COM That'll be real fine, Ron. Okay, we've 

got the DSC running, Ron, as per the flight plan. 

AMERICA Okay. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 GET 161:54 CST 1447 CM-104/1 



CAPCOM America, Houston. Don't want to interrupt 

your eat period, but just would like to have a word from you 
on how the SIM-bay configuration went. Did the UV cover come 
open? We're standing by on that Aerobee launch. 

AMERICA Affirm UV cover's open. I think SIM-bay's 

all squared away. 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
closed both covers 

CAPCOM Roger 
CAP COM Okay, 
period of how the Aerobee 
162:10 and we need to get 
we get that, we'll be giving it a GO 
want to get your word on the cover. 

op en . 



Roger, thank you - 
Sunrise was 7 seconds, I 
Good timing. 



think, after we 



I'll keep you posted during your eat 
is coming. It's due to launch at 



the 64 



Yeah , it's 



kilobit 
for 



data here . 
launch but 



As soon 
we did 



as 



AMERICA 

ON . 

CAP COM 
White Sands . 

AMERICA Okay. 

AMERICA Okay, frame number 110 of 

was taken at window one off toward Lomonosov. 
really see the swirls in Marginis. They're - 



It's open and verified 



Roger, Ron. And they're in the count at 



mag Oscar Oscar 

You could 
trying to com- 



the 



pare them with 

CAPCOM 

AMERICA 
it. That's a long 

CAPCOM 

AMERICA 
across Marginis 
that other sea? 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 



of swirls back there in Arabia. 



same type 
Okay, we copy. 

Let me take the old binocs out and look at 
ways away . 

Roger. What are you looking at again, Ron? 
These are the swirls that, looking off 
(garble) toward Lomonosov and, let's see, what's 
Big crater's just to the northwest of Neper. 
Okay, let me look at It here. 
About the same size as Neper. 

I got a poor map, Ron. All I show Is next 



to Neper, you have the Border Sea which is northwest of 



Neper and called the Border Sea. 
proper term you wanted or not. 



I don't know if that's the 



AMERICA 
Marginis 
it is . 
CAPCOM 
hold of - 

AMERICA 
way , either, 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 



Mare 
wh at 



that 



Yeah, that' s 
- It's a round one 



what I mean 
up there . 



I think that's 



Yeah, I think so too. 

And, in that case, my 
so - the one I have out. 
Okay , s tand by . 
I think Marginis is a 
Yeah, Marginis is the 
And just north of that 



I think that's 
I ' ve got to get 
doesn ' t 



map 



go up 



circular basin, 
name , y eah . 
is - 



You've got a big one called Goddard. 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 GET 161:54 CST 1447 CM-104/2 



AMERICA (garble) it's a - yeah, okay. But in the 

case of Marginis, there's a brand new crater just to the 
northeast corner of it - I mean northwest corner. 

CAPCOM Okay, brand new crater in the - 

AMERICA And all marked just like Neper. In the 

northwest corner of Marginis, it's about, yeah, let's see, I'm 
guessing - 100 kilometer size, probably. 

CAP COM Okay, we copy that (garble) 

AMERICA (garble) 50 kilometer size. 

CAPCOM Rog, you've never seen that before on any 

of the map s ? 

AMERICA You know it's - well, I've got to look on 

the map. I'm sure it's there because that's what causing all 
the swirls going across Marginis. 

CAPCOM Okay, do you see a color texture difference? 

Between the swirls across Marginis there? 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 GET 162:04 CST 14:58 CM 105/1 



SC 

corne r of it - 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 

about - let's 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 

the maps? 

AMERICA 

1 1 in s ure it's 



s ee 



There's a brand new crater just to the northeast 
mean northwest corner. 

Okay, brand new crater in the - 

In the northwest corner of Marginis, and it's 
, I'm guessing - a hundred kilometers sized probably 
Okay, we copy that - 
No, 50 kilometers sized. 

Rog. You've never seen that before in any of 



You know - well, no I got to look at the map. 
there, because that's what's causing all the swirls 
Marginis . 

do you see a color picture difference 
Marginis (garbled). 

the color - the texture is hard - you just 
of it. There's a dark - a dark gray and 
around this dark gray - the dark gray 



swirls of course are light, light - light, light tan. 

We'd like - Stu, and I'd like to know - do you 



going across 

CAP COM Okay, 
between the swirls across 

AMERICA Yeah, 
can't get any texture out 
then the swirls seem to be 
areas . The 

CAP COM 

think the swirls are ejecta from that new crater you're seeing? 

AMERICA Well, yeah, the swirls in that one crater seem 

to be in Marginis, and I hope that's Marginis. I'm going to look 
in my map here in a minute and look for sure. But they seem to be 
eminating essentially radial from that bright crater. Going out 
across the mare. 

CAPCOM Roger. Just a reminder, Ron. We don't want 

to tear you away from your window if you don't want to, but this 
is your eat period. 

No, that's right. 

And we're T-minus 3 at White Sands and counting, 
(garbled). Hey, good. 

Dynamics retro. Ron, if you're in the simulator 
you adjust your mirror. 

(Laughter). Yeah, so you could tell where I'm 



have 



mean, 



AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
right now , I'd 

AMERICA 
looking, huh? 

CAPCOM No sir. So vcu can look - you know what we used 

to adjust the 
AME RI CA 
CAP COM 

down here on my console. It looks like a peanut gallery here. 

AMERICA (Laughter). Okay, the crater I was talking 

about was Al-Biruni. Is the one that's got the swirls across coming 
from it. And then off from the northwest corner just outside the 
rim, that's a very bright crater. It shows up on that contingency 
chart. And that was Al-Biruni. Goddard' s got a lot of swirls in 
it also. No, wait a minute. Goddard was the one I was talking 
about. Not Al-Biruni. 

CAPCOM Okay, Goddard. Roger, I got you. 



No sir. So ycu can look - you know what we 
mirrors for down at the simulator all time. 
(Laughter). Yeah, I know what you 



I guess what I'm saying, is I need a mirror 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 GST 162:04 CST 14:58 CM 105/2 

AMERICA Well, yeah. Goddard is the one I was talking 

about. Crater size is more relative on that one and there 
weren't any craters on the floor so that had to be Goddard. 

CAPCOM Okay, we just had lift-off at White Sands. 

AMERICA Hey, good. Just hope she keeps going. 

AMERICA You know, I'm looking north of along 

Crisium. Okay, there's Picard- and ierce. And you get the same - 
same pattern that looks kind of like a swirl. Looks the same 
type of albedo as the swirl with light places and dark places, 
the only difference being that you can definately tell that 
these are ejecta from Proclus because the pattern is somewhat 
radial, you know, from Proclus itself. And then you've got 
the same thing as a crater up on the north - north rim. 

CAPCOM Roger, we got you. 

AMERICA Crisium just outside of it. It's about a 

50 kilometer crater again. And it's a very bright one and there 
the rays cross the Proclus swirls or rays. Here you have to 
definitely call them - call them rays instead of swirls. 
Yet they look the same way. And the only distinction is, in 
Crisium they go essentially radial, they have a direction to 
them. Whereas the ones over there at Marginis and next to 
(garbled) or somewhere else in that part of the country or - 
don't have any particular direction to them. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 15:08CST 162:15GET CM106/1 



CAPCOM Okay, Ron, White Sands just called us 

and they have a good data take on their preliminary of the 
good data on Aerobee. 

AMERICA Ah, perfect. 

AMERICA I'm looking out of window 2 

now - and - you can definitely get 3 different colored 
textures on the thing- You've got the light tan of - 
Serenitatis and then you've got the - an annulus ring that - 
stops somewhere in about the middle of the two ridge systems 
that go around and then you come down south in the landing 
site area and the two dark things change - ah - I can't quite 
see it anymore - the landing site is a darker - more of 
a grey - goes on - goes on up to - there's a subdued crater 

- there's kind of a - the - the rilles go on up there and 
then there's a filled in crater just to the west of one that's 
about 20 kilometers in diameter. And that's about where the 

- the dark grey material ends - right on the edge of that 
crater and then - you run into the annulus that runs all 
the way around Crisium - I mean, not Crisium - around 
Serenitatis . 

CAP COM Good enough, Roger. 

AMERICA On frame 110 and 111 we're taking - just 

now out of mag Oscar Oscar - one of the landing sites and 
one north of the landing site trying to get the color dis- 
tinction between the three of them there. 

CAPCOM Roger, we copy. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 CST 15:17 GET 162:24 CM 107/1 



CAPCOM Ron, do you have your flight plan 

handy, I've got an update and thought by that. I don't 
want to interrupt your eating if you don't have it, 
we'll get it after the eat period. 

AMERICA Okay, just a second here, I'll get 

it. Okay, 113, 114 and 115 were taken on the western 
edge of Serenitatis. Let me get unwound from the cord 
here a little bit and I'll - you know if we design 
another spacecraft we got to have something with a - do 
nothing but get tied up with this crazy cord. 

CAP COM Roger, copy that. Hey, look, there's 

no hurry on the flight plan, just keep doing what you 
want and I'll call you at about 162:40. 



AMERICA 

CAP COM 

AME RICA 
ready, go ahead. 

CAP COM 
to take a look at 
to put in Mapping 
Camera Retract. 

AMERICA 

CAPCOM 



Let's 
We ' re 



see, where 
at 162:29. 



are we now? I gotta (garble) 
Okay , I'm 



not doing any thing 



Okay, what we want to do is we have 
the data longer so at 162:45 we want 
Camera Retract at that point. Mapping 



at 163 : 05 , 



pho to pad 
that ' s 



Okay . 

And that will delete it over 
you'll just delete it from that point. 
AMERICA Okay. 

CAP COM And there's a zodiacal light 

which is over there at 163:10 about, is 163:10:49 
163: 10 : 49. 

AMERICA 
163: 10:49. 

CAPCOM Okay, the only reason I wanted to 

get that up to you is that mapping camera retract there at 45, we 
have to take a good long look at that data, you know, you know, 
the problem we're having with it. 

Oh yeah, uh hu. Okay. 
Okay, Ron, if you're near there, 



Okay, there's a zodiacal light T-start 



AMERI CA 
CAP COM 
high gain to 
AMERI CA 



AUTO 



High gain is AUTO. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 GET 162:34 CST 1527 CM-108/1 



AMERICA 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 
try to retract that? 

CAP COM 

AMERI CA 

CAP COM 
at 163:35 or so is 
retract the camera 

AMERICA 
still putting out 

CAP COM 
toe caught it that 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 



Houston, America. 

Roger, go ahead, Ron. 

You want the laser altimeter 



on 



Wh i 1 e we 



Ro n . 



Just let it run. 



That's a negative. 
Okay, will do. 

They're going to stay running until over 
where they go off and we're just going to 

Okay. Why, isn't the laser altimeter 
good data? Far as we know, anyhow. 

Yeah, the only problem we have is when your 
one time. It's been good all along. 
Okay . 

Ron, we'd like H2 tank 1 fans on, please. 
Okay, H2 tank 1 are going on. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 GET 162:44 CST 1537 CM-109/1 



AMERICA 
CAP COM 
AME RICA 



huh: 



CAP COM 
AMERICA 

wouldn 1 t be - 

pole. 

CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 



Ok ay , 
Roger 
Okay , 

Ro ger . 
Okay , 
s tar ted at 



H2 tank 1 are going off. 
let's try to retract the old mapper, 



We're ready (garble) 
retract extend off. 5 
15, 4515. 13, 14 GO. 

motion , Ron . 



4, that 

Got a barber 



Okay, we see 
Okay, good. 

Ron, we've got one change of flight plan. 
Ron, we've got one change of flight plan and we should have 
gotten it to you sooner. At 163:40 we want to change that 
VERB 49 maneuver because we want the lunar sounder to look at 
the SEP at the landing site. 

163:40. Okay, go. 

Okay, let's change this to roll 115, 



AMERICA 

CAP COM 
pitch 297, yaw zero. 

AME RICA 

CAPCOM 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 
Well, whatever it 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 
trouble with that 
off on that one. 

CAPCOM 

AMERICA 
Houston, America. 

CAPCOM 

AMERICA 

AME RI CA 
beyond what it 
check with Bob 
the - what do 



115, pitch 297, 
pole . 



Okay, roll 
Roger, Ron. 
Mark it, barber 
Mark it, roger. 
I don't mean barber pole, 
was, it changed. 

Yeah, it looks like that's 
Yeah . 
wh ene ve r 



y aw 



zero 



I me an gray 



all 



we had. 

Say, I've been having a little 
I push the tracking stamp switch 



That ' s okay . 
Okay, if we 



Ron . 

can remember 



i t 



re t racted, 



Go ahead, Ron. 
Houston, America. 

Okay, it looks like we're running a bit 
might take to do this here. Why don't you 
Mercer and see if we could get by without using 
you call that frame that's the protect frame? 



Either that, or how real is the 40 expose usables exposures on 
the front of the film? How much protection - how much room is 
there to - 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 15:47CST 162:54GET CM110/1 

AMERICA How much protection did - How much room 

is there to (garbled) before he came to his calibration films? 
CAPCOM We're checking on that, Ron. 

AMERICA . Okay. 

AMERICA (garbled) may want to skip one of the 

60 second exposures in there somewhere, you know. 
CAP COM Rog, Ron. 

CAPCOM Ron, our film record down here indicates 

you've got 3 more frames on there than you need for zodiacal 
light. Do we have a bad number somewhere? 

AMERICA Ah - you may have, - cause I'm ready to 

take - yeah, I've only got 11 more pictures on here. I'm 
setting on number 30 - ready to take picture number 30. 

CAPCOM Okay, understand you're setting on 30 

ready to take number 30 and you've got 11 pictures left. 

AMERICA Yeah. - so that's - 30 - 11 pictures 

the way I count them. Unless there's some, you know, a 
little gravy between the 40 usable frames. 

CAPCOM Okay, Ron, there are 44 usable frames 

on that mag so you can go from a 30 to 44 in getting data. 

AMERICA Ah, - okay. That's good. We can get 

the whole works then. 

CAP COM Roger. 

AMERICA Outstanding. 

AMERICA Okay, Charley 3 and Bravo 3 are on. 

Alpha 3, Album 3 are off. Charlie 3 and Dog 3 are on. 
CAPCOM Rog, we copy that Ron. 

AMERICA Okay. 

END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 GET L63:04 CST 1557 CM-111/1 



CAPCOM Roger, Ron, we're probably going to lose 

you early. You're looking good as you go around the Horn. We 
went around the room and everything's - all systems are GO. 
Just a reminder on this next backside, there's no recording so 
there'll be no DSE recording of voice on the backside. 

AMERICA Oh, okay, thank you much. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 CST 16:47 GET 163:53 CM-112/1 



CAP COM 

AMERICA 
I di dn ' t h ave my 

CAP COM 
got a flight plan 

AMERICA 
here first, okay. 

CAPCOM 

AMERICA 
I took, I took the 
Arabia with the 80 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 
mag Oscar, Oscar, 

CAP COM 

AMERI CA 
It doesn't really 

CAP COM 
someth ing . 

AMERICA 
intervalometer F4 



America, Houston. America, Houston 
Houston, America, here, sorry, but 
hat on . 



Roger. Ron - no problem, we ve 
update when ever you're ready. 

Let me get the camera squared away 

Okay, just give me a call. 

I've been looking out the window and 
4 before 120 on the horizon across 
mil limete r . 

Ro ger . 

Mike mike. There it is. That was on 
by the way. 

rog. Did you see Arabia? 

Yeah, it was a pretty good hit at it. 
- you've got to study it. 

Okay, we don't want to talk you into 



(laughter) 
250th. 



That' s right. AGX 20 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 GET 164:03 CST 1657 CM-113/1 



AMERI CA 
with 143 Mike Mike 
here. 

CAP COM 



Okay 19 frames 
Okay , all set 



Okay, we're starting 
for a flight plan update 



Okay, Ron. It's a couple of short items. 
Let's see, first of all, that 16435, just anywhere in that 
area, we'd like you to service your biomed harnesses, if it's 
convenient. We're getting pretty ratty data on you now. 
AMERICA I just put a new one on last night. 

CAPCOM Okay, we think you need 

some jelly or something. 

AMERICA (garble) I guess, huh? 

d ry out , okay ? 

CAPCOM Right. Okay, the next flight plan update 

is at 166 : 36. 

go • 

verbal 49 maneuver to lunar sounder 
40. The angles for the VERB 49 
142 269 359. 

that's the - VERB 49, a 142 a 269 



to service it with 



I guess they could 



AMERICA Okay, 
CAP COM Add a 

HF target attitude at 166 
maneuver are as follows: 
AMERICA Okay, 



and 359. That's for the pass where it (garble) through there 



CAP COM 
maneuver and after 
f 1 igh t p 1 an . 

AME RI C A 

CAPCOM 
You are aware , I 
plan laid out if 
an tenn a . 

AMERICA 
yet, but (laughter) 

CAP COM 
I gave you to start 
say again 166:40. 

AME RI CA 
do I s t ay 



Right. 166:40 is the time of that 
• there's a note after that, resume nominal 



Okay . 

That's it. You got everything up to date, 
assume, that we have a total alternate flight 
we should have to jettison the high - the 

Yeah, you bet. I don't know what it is 



And Ron, FAO just a reminder on that maneuver 
it at 36 to be in attitude by 164:40. No, 



Okay, 166, okay. Figured it was. Okay, 
in that attitude then? I guess that's what it is, 
isn't it? For the rest of the SEP? 
CAPCOM Affirmative. 

AMERICA Back to the receive only. Okay. 

CAPCOM And, just for your information, your 

buddies on the surface are out walking around the Rover right 
now on television. 

AMERICA Hey, good deal. 

AMERICA Tacquet up to Bessel E and Tacquet to 

Bessel S. To run along the pass Valdez, change at cannon 
rilles. (garble) Terminated there. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 17:03CST 164:13GET CM 114/1 



SC Yes, he was trying to match my color wheel 

with Crisium and nothing match. 

CAPCOM Roger. Seems that (garble) found that too. 

SC (laughter) 

CAP COM Hey, Ron. You're already aware, I'm 

sure that with this different attitude you've got - your 
look angle on D-Caldera photos here is going to be 
pretty marginal and CM 5-1 guess is the still the best 
window but it's - I guess it's go ahead and get them, but 
it may be marginal. 

SC Okay, I'll see - I was wondering about 

that really . 

SC You know the crater, Dawes, has got - 

starting from the top going down the rim - there's a kind of 
light tan layer - it's a concentric layer that goes all the 
way around and then you come into a lighter - it's almost 
to the white that it looks like on the hills around the land- 
ing site, and this first layer goes down maybe - let's see 
if you look at the total distance in there - about a third 
of the distance and then the white layer - concentric layer 
that goes all the way around, and this isn't the western 
wall I'm looking at now. And it goes down to about a half 
of the distance - not quite half of the distance from the 
top of the rim down to the bottom. Then the lower portion 
of it, the lower half - a little better than a half, really, 
is kind of a tannish gray - it has a tannish gray albedo 
to it. It's all streaked. Of course the bottom of the 
layer, the bottom of the crater itself is filled with - 
well they're not the same color of material that's laying 
around the edges of the crater. It has some radial rings 
around it, which gives an indication of a subsidence of 
some kind - they're sliding down the hill. That's really 
the first crater where I've been able to see any sort of 
glaring in the walls. Now, the first layer, on the north 
side and also on the south side - in a dark brownish layer 
of the thing - you can see parts that are jugged - jagged 
and sticking out. In other words, there's a slight change 
in slope in it. It looks like it's a very steep slope, 
which would indicate that it's a fairly compacted type of 
material in the first layer. And then the slope changes 
in the white layer on down a little bit more. In the white 
layer it seems to sort of combine and maintain the same type 
of slope as the dark grayish tan layer at the bottom or from 
half way down to the bottom of the crater. 

CAP COM Thank you, Ron. Did you tie in some 

of that ejecta material to a layer at the very bottom of 
the crater - like an overturned slab or something. 

SC Yeah, that's what it looks like. 

CAP COM Roger, got you. 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 CST 17:03 GET 164:13 CM114/2 



SC The ejecta material is about the - same. 

SC Okay, here we come on - well, it's an odd 

angle - I guess it'll work. Good, I want to get some of the 
30 - let's see - first we're going to start a Tacquet - gonna 
whip her back and get one back the other way cause that's kind 
of a change in the color - the color of the area changes right 
at the Tacquet relative to the browns. This - I forgot my little 
gouge there - it goes north of - 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 17:13 CST 164:23 GET CM115/1 



AMERICA This - I've forgotten old gouge here 

It goes north of Menelaus, doesn't it? 

You come up Tacquet and then you go 
E - up in - and follow those ridges 
there - Bessel E, rather. 
Follow the rilles, Okay. 
You're north of Melanius - 
Okay . 

Now, I see it . 
Okay . 

And you cross just a little 

S ay again , Ron . 
Okay, south - I was going to say that's 



CAP COM 
right near Bessel 
along into Bessel 

AMERICA 

CAPCOM 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 

CAPCOM 
of Sulpicius 

AMERICA 
de f ini t e ly a 



Menelaus, I guess 



bit south 



Gallus 



volcanic field or a deposition. And it 



s - 



relief with it from Tacquet on up to - even 



you have 
Mene laus . 

CAP COM Roger. 
AMERICA Bob, you 

Sulpicius Gallus? 

CAPCOM Yeah, just about - just a 

of Sulpicius Gallus and the Haemus Mountains 
Haemus Mountains and then you 
AMERICA Okay. 

I think I 
too. 

Good show 
Now these 



with 



lens 



AMERICA 
the 250 
CAPCOM 
AMERI CA 
same color tones 
from Tacquet to 

CAP COM 
you — on th e 
mare and the 
to F2. 8. 

AMERI CA 
going to hit 
Yeah , there ' s 



say we crossed south of 

little 
Cross 

're right over D-Caldera. 
got D-Caldera awhile back 

Haemus Mountains have the 



south 
the 



, and what have you, as the - that field 
Mene laus . 

When you're a little bit past D-Caldera 
- there's a line between the Sea of Vapors 
Apennine Mountains. That's where you change 

Okay. That's pretty good. We're 
D-Caldera anyhow. There's the Conon Rille. 
a dark halo crater just to the west of 



•> about twelve hundred meters or so in 
scale is right. It's about a fourth of 
size of D-Caldera. 

Okay, Ron. I don't show that on my map 
Okay, I think it might be on the 
I'm not sure. I'll have to get a better 



D- Caldera. It ' 
diameter, if my 
- fourth of the 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 
p i cture , there . 
look at it before - 

CAPCOM Okay, and as you cross this mare that 

you - just to the west of D-Caldera you'll switch - as you 
get across and up into the Apennines you'll switch to F2.8. 



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AMERICA Okay. 

AMERICA Oh, Conon Rille has sure got something 

sticking up on the west side of it there. We ought to take 
a look at that picture. Looks like a spire sticking up on 
the left side because it creates a tremendous shadow. And 
it's a perfectly round - suppose that could be a crater, 
(laughter) . 

CAP COM Rog. 

AMERICA Yeah, might be a crater. 

AMERICA 2.8 at a 250th . 

CAPCOM Ron, you want F2 . 8 and then up here 

we can get the Apennine Mountains - the line between the 
Apennine Mountains and the mare up there you want to go 
to 1/125. 

AMERICA Okay, 125th. Okay. 

CAPCOM Stay at 250 up until you get across the 

Apennines, Sir. 

AMERICA Man, oh man, look. I think those are 

the Lyre flows or something out across there. They really stick 
up. You can sure see the flow fronts of the - you know - 
in the Imbrium you can see the flow fronts and the rilles 
a lot better than you could in Serenitatis. They must be 
bigger. 2.8 at 125th. Eratosthenes is just being picked 
up . 

CAPCOM Right. Ron, the terminator is going 

to go right across on the next path - right across the 
eastern edge of Eratosthenes. 

AMERICA Ah. Okay, that's all we're going to 

get. 

CAPCOM Okay. Ron, due to the ve rti-sounder 

saturating from the SEP we would like to change attitude. 
And right now go to that VERB 49 maneuver attitude that 
we called up for 166:36. We'd like for you to go to that 
n ow . Ove r . 

AMERICA (laughter) Okay. The old SEP is 

saturating. Let's see - what was the attitude? 

CAPCOM Okay, I can read it to you. It's 

roll 142 269 359. 

AMERICA Forty-two - 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 CST 17:23 GET 164:33 CM-116/1 



AMERICA 226:93:59. Okay, CMC in auto, go 50, 18 

proceed. Hey this is interesting. MAG mike, mike, we're on 172. 

CAPCOM Roger. We copy MAG mike, mike on 172. 

AMERICA Just check that decal for the heck of it. 

Do I use the rest of them for targets of opportunity? 

CAPCOM Stand by, I'll check with Chuck here. 

CAP COM Ron. We don't think mike, mike has got any- 

thing left on it. But if you - if it is you can use it for 
targets opportunity. But, it's not suppose to have. 

AMERICA Well, it's pretty well got one or two of 

them left here, you know, and I'll just keep it handy. And 
take it until the thing turns read, you know. 

CAPCOM Rog. 

AMERICA The next one might be the last one. (Chuckle) 

AMERICA (Whistling) 
AMERICA Houston, America. 

CAPCOM Go ahead, Ron. 

AMERICA Is there any way the surgeon there could 

tell which, which two things are out of service or all three of 
them. (garble) You know, sponges come in packages of twos, not 
th re e s . 

CAPCOM Okay, why don't you say it again Ron, I just 

punched up to surgeon here, why don't you say it again please. 

AMERICA Okay. Is there any way the surgeon can tell 

which lead needs to be fixed or which two leads, because the 
sponges and all those things come in packages of twos, you know. 

CAPCOM Hey, Ron. We just talked it over down here. 

The EKG is good and just forget the ZTN for another day. Just 
go EKG, and forget the ZTN. 

CAPCOM That's complements of Dr. Z. 

AMERICA Oh, hey, beautiful. No wonder what kind 

of writings, I don't even have ZTN on. (Chuckle) 

AMERICA Say, last night I moved those, moved all 

three sensors on the EKG to different spots and I put some of 
that cream stuff on. And I think that helped. 

CAPCOM Rog. You can tell, and he's noticed that 

and it's improved the signal on the EKG part. 

AMERICA Oh, okay. 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 GET 164:53 CST 1743 CM-117/1 

CAPCOM Ron, we're about ready to lose you in 

about 10 minutes. Everything's fine; we'll make one more 
final go around the room before you go out of sight. I'm 
watching your buddies down there. They're up against a rock 
which is about twice as tall as they are and they're trying - 
pounding away on the side of it. Doesn't look like they're 
having that much luck getting anything off of it, but they're 
beating on it. 

AMERICA (Laughter) Tell those guys if they don t 

roll a rock down a crater, they're supposed to do that for me. 

CAP COM Ro g . I think - I think Jack got the 

nickname "Twinkle Toes" last night. He was bouncing around very 
gracefully. Everytime he'd hit the rock he'd fall over down 
there . 

AMERICA (Laughter) Ah, great. 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 CST 17:53 GET 165:03 CM-118/1 



CAPCOM Ron, everything looks good as we go here to 
LOS. No problems at all. You're buddies are down at Station 
6 right now. 

AMERICA Oh, okay. We thank you much. 

CAPCOM Okay, see you around the other side. On 

the flight plan schedule, now. 

AMERICA Okay - 

AMERICA (Humming) 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 GET 165:51 CST 1844 CM-119/1 



AMERICA 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 

rilles - type 

it's almost a 

direction . 

Sange r yet 
CAP COM 

the first ring 
AMERICA 

this picture. 

see that first 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 



Free off, I think. 
America, Houston. 

Houston, America. Roger, loud and clear. 
How you doing up there, Ron? 
Okay; real fine. I saw a - part of these 
things and it's got a light brown, now a dark brown, 
mare-type coloring heading in the southeast/northwest 

there's Sanger. East of 



get into 

me ge t 
able to 



no, I'll 



And it's down from - yeah, 
Let me find it on my map. 

Starting east at Sanger there, you 
of Arabia or the second Arabia there. 

Yeah. Hey, you know this is - let 
This is the first I've ever really been 
ring of Arabia. 

You think you saw it, huh? 
And it shows up as kind - yeah, it 
take two of them. First, if I'd better get the dark slide out 
The way then Sun is shining on the darn thing. And it shows 
up as a bright - well, I'll be darned. That's amazing. Shows 
up as a bright ray just like we got it drawn on the map. You 
know, you get a brighter albedo all the way around to the top 
the ring. That was frame 120 through - or 122 through 124 on 
Oscar, Os car . 

CAP COM 
a lunar sounder 
visuals here . 
AME RI CA 
AMERICA 
also looking 
CAP COM 

Let's 
AMERI CA 
CAPCOM 



PAD 



Okay, Ron, we've got a 
if you want to take it 



flight plan update 
before we get into 



of 
mag 

and 
the 



were 



p lan . 



Okay, I better, I guess. 

Okay, frames - the last 3 frames before 
east. Okay, we have an update, huh? 



12 8 



go to 



Lunar sounder PAD is 
that one first, okay? 
Okay . 

Okay, T-start time: 



at 166:40 in the flight 



166:42.12. T-stop time 



47 . 10 . 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
gazing attitude 

AMERICA 

CAPCOM 
It's 283, 063, and 

AME RICA 



42.12 and T-stop is 47.10, 
a - the lunar sounding 



Okay, T-start at 166 
Good copy. I've got 
VERB 49 at 16 7:28. 
167 : 28, okay . 
We're tweaking up 
328. Over. 
(Laughter) That's really tweaking it 



that attitude 



little bit. 



up 



283, 063, and 328. 

CAP COM 
antenna retract sets 

AMERICA 

CAPCOM Okay, it's pretty obvious we want to take 

HF antenna 2 retract and move it above HF antenna 1. We'll call 
for the retract, make sure we're ready and we'll also cue it on 
our cue, Ron. What we want to do is look at HF antenna 2 retract 



Roger. And over there at 167:55 where the 
Ah , yeah , right . 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 GET 165:51 CST 1844 CM-119/2 



CAPCOM all the way and get the times, etc., and 

then we'll go ahead and retract HF antenna 1. 
AMERICA All right. 

AMERICA Oh, okay. Sounds reasonable. 

CAPCOM Okay, Ron, we're all just standing by. That 

takes care of the flight plan update, and we're just standing 
by for your visuals. The PAD should come out straight on the landing 
site and the D-Caldera, as you know. 

AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM Ron, we want to concentrate on the small scale 

features and your binoculars may be what you need. We want to 
look at the dark halo craters in the Site area and examination 
of D-Caldera with the binoc's. 

AMERICA Okay, that sounds like - 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 CST 18:54 GET 166:01 CM-120/1 



AMERICA Okay, that sounds like a good idea, we'll 

see what I get there. 

AMERICA (Laughter) Crazy. Going over Earth's attitude, 

every time I look out the window, I've got to look at a different 
dire c tion . 

CAPCOM Rog. We understand. 

AMERICA (Laughter) it's funny. 

CAPCOM Hey, Ron. When you come up on the landing 

site, we would like you to concentrate on Shorty Crater and 
F Crater and on the other dark halo craters ah - As you know, 
as I told you last night, Shorty ended up with some orange colored 
material that looks an awful lot like a fumarol or event anyway, 
fumarole, and it looks an awful lot - 

AMERICA Fumarole. 

CAPCOM Yeah. Okay. It looks an awful lot like it 

and what we're trying to do is see what you see from there and 
that may give us some correlation of some of these other ones. 

AMERICA Okay. I'm going to take a look and see 

which one's Shorty. 

CAPCOM Ron, it's the dark crater on the slide, the 

dark crater on the slide. 

AMERICA Oh, Okay. 

AMERICA I hope we got a pan camera picture of that 

what, the (garble) F or something like that, the one I described 
had a little bit of diamond down in it? 

CAP COM Roger. 

AMERICA Because, what that little diamond turned out 

to be was a mine arch it's a dome of material in there and the 
reason it looks like a diamond is because you have slide material, 
or Talus type stuff that slumped down around it. And in that dome 
type material, there are three or four black spots in it. I called 
them black, they're really, I'd consider it a greenish ah - 
a greenish black, you know. 

CAPCOM Roger. 

AMERICA I sure hope we - i f ah - why don't you check 

with Farouk and see if our pan camera coverage, covered that, 
that crater. I think it probably did. An interesting one to 
take a look at it in. 

CAPCOM Ron, Farouk thinks it is on the pan. 

AMERICA Very good. 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 GET: 166:11 CST 1904 CM-121/1 



AMERICA You know, in the eastern wall of Picard, 

and looking at it with the binoc's now, and you can definitely 
see the first part of it up there. It has a vertical escarpments - 
escarpments along the edge of it. And the vertical escarpments 
are kind of in irregular layers. Just kind of like you would 
suspect you - eroded out a bunch of lava layers. In other words, 
they're not continuous, but they're kind of intermingled along. 
And they go about, oh, a third of the way down from the top of 
the rim down to where the talus starts sliding on into - into 
the crater. 

CAPCOM Good show. We'll tie that up with what you 

gave us last time on Picard. 
AMERICA Okay. 

AMERICA You know these dark halo craters in that one 

picture? By that little diamond we've got up by Yerkes, the one 
furtherest to the south looks like an impact type of crater. In 
other words, there's definite ejecta floping out around on those. 
The one that's - Hey, I'll have to look at it in the middle of my 
picture, but I think it's probably the second one down from the 
top. It has a rounded ridges, rounded rims, and coming up on the 
side here. I don't know if I'm going to be able to see it until 
I go by it. It has rounded - a rounded rim. The ejecta pattern, 
or the dark halo is about twice the size of the, or out to one 
crater diameter. And it doesn't - It's either a highly eroded 
impact-type crater or it's a - it's a volcanic- type structure. 
And to me it doesn't look like a highly eroded impact one. Again, 
that's a little one we could probably pick up a ground truth, so 
to speak of, the pan camera film. 

CAPCOM Ron, are there any similarity between the 

highlands west of Crisium and those east of Serenitatis? 

AMERICA You know, oddly enough that's just what I was 

looking at. And, the ones to the east - west of - wait - 
Yeah, east of Crisium and west of - no. 

CAPCOM West of Crisium and east of - 

AMERICA What I was looking at was the - 

CAPCOM Serenitatis. 

AMERICA Yeah, west of Crisium and east of Serenitatis. 

Those are a different - there seems to be a different type of 
highlands, and I want to - I want to check the other ones when 
I go by, but it looked like when I was coming up on - on those 
west of Crisium, they're more of a tan-type color, smaller undula- 
tions, smaller - you know, the corn cob effect, I guess, is what you' 
call it. What I'd call it anyhow. Smaller - smallers ears of 
corn or smaller mounds closer together, as opposed to when you get 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 GET 166:11 CST 1904 CM-121/2 



AMERICA over to the landing site. The ones on the 

landing site seem to be more raised I guess. In other words, you 
still have a group of a small mounds and what have you, but they're 
a little more massive. You get more of an appearance of a dark 
flow or a dark albedo between mounds and between the bumps. 



CAP COM 
CAP COM 



That's a good show. 

Are you getting the landing site 



in the view 



n ow 



It 



AMERICA 
in the picture 
in the pentagon complex, 
like that one is F crater 
AMERICA 
AMERICA 
of it? 
CAP COM 
in a second 
AMERICA 



I got it in window 2. Okay, I've got Shorty 
looks like a sharper crater than any of them 
The other thing that looks sharp just 



Supposed to inspect the other window. 
Did they find that orange stuff on the north 



side 



you 



that, 
their 



Ron , 
stop 



I'll be back 
at Station 4 



'ith 



CAP COM 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 
but it looks like 
tint of different 

CAP COM 
the crater or is it 

AMERI CA 



side of it . 
we'll tell you that - 



Let me check on 
I don ' t th ink s o , 
Okay . 

Station 4 was on the south 
Go ahead with what you see 

Looks like they barely got into the stuff - 
that kind of the north rim of it has more of a 
color to it. Oh, lost all my pictures. 

Is the color differentiation concentric around 
just in edges and slotches? 

No, it's just in the - kind of the north side 



of it . 

CAPCOM What would you say the color is there, is it 

one of the different tans? 

AMERICA Yeah, the color - (Laughter) Yeah, it's kind 

of a different, would you believe kind of an orangish-tan through 
this - through these binoc's. I'd like to get another look at that 
when I go by the next time. 

CAPCOM Rog, 1 believe ya. 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 CST 19:14 GET 166:21 CM122/1 



CAPCOM Ron, when you get back, when you get done 

with this, we'd like you to sketch, when you get a chance, the 
color variations with the thoughts of where the splotches are, 
with respect to Shorty, in particular. 

SC Okay, I'll do that when I finish up here, 

CAPCOM Roger, if you get a chance look at F crater, 

SC Yes, F crater is sharp just like Shorty. I 

hope I was getting F crater. F crater is about the same size 
as Shorty, isn't it? If not, I was getting one between Family 
Mountain and - 

about the same size, Ron, maybe just a 



CAPCOM 
tad bigger. 
SC 

CAPCOM 
crater? 
SC 

much. I'll 
CAP COM 
CAP COM 

or i gin . 

SC 



Jus t 

Yeah 
Ron , 



is there a cone associated with that 



have to 



I didn't get a chance to look at it that 
check it next time. 
Okay . 

Have any thoughts on how - what's its 



the 
th e 



I'll have to look at F crater again on 
next time I come over on the thing cause I spent most of 
time looking at Shorty. 
SC Okay. 

CAPCOM You know, this formation again from Tacquet 

on down to Menelaus from Menelaus - just went over that again 
and I was looking at it with the binoculars. I saw one sharp 
crater in the area that had an ejecta almost the same color as 
the stuff around Shorty. 

CAPCOM Roger, Ron. You might pinpoint that crater 

between Tacquet and Menelaus when you again get down here. 

SC Okay. Boy, oh boy, (garble) there is gonna 

between all the windows. 

CAPCOM Do you have any flow scarps in that unit - 

that Menelaus crater? 
SC No, I tell you what. There aren't any 

scarps there at all. That's another thing I was looking for. 
It's just a gradual degradation or gradual change in the color. 

CAPCOM Do you have any topography changes with 

respect to that color? 



be - 



ne ar 



SC 

a gradual change, 
got to switch all 

CAPCOM 

SC 

The mound - little 



Yes, no the topography plane change is just 
With - there's a mound. Here it is - I've 
the w ind ows . 

Are you able to get up on the L-Caldera? 

Yes, I got D-Caldera into my sights, now. 
blotches in the center - are the same type 



of material as that surrounding the D-Caldera itself. Down in 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 CST 19:14 GET 166:21 CM122/2 



SC the Caldera, the gray blocky type of stuff - 

you know what -I'd almost say that - you know how water drops 
kind of form on the surface as you - if you had a high spot, and 
something kind of flowed up to it - a high spot and water kind 
of flowed up to it, and it didn't quite stick to it - you know, 
stick to it - all in one spot - 

CAP COM Roger. 

SC It would leave a depression due to surface 

tension as you come up there and then you have kind of little 
bubbles that float across there. That's what it looks like to 
me . 

CAPCOM Roger, we copy that. Keep going, that 

sounds great. 

CAPCOM How about the dark haloed crater west of 

the Caldera? 

SC Uh , I'm finding out with the binoc's - your 

observation is cut to about half. And I'm going to have to get 
that the next time over. 

CAPCOM Roger, do you think that the dark halo 

crater is any relation just to those mare like patches in the 
Caldera, itself? 

SC No, I don't think so. Just because the 

color differences - or the color is completely different. So 
that's an open question on that one that I'll have to find out 
on the next time around. 

CAPCOM Can you talk about the light colored annu- 

lus around D-Caldera? 

SC No, I couldn't see a light colored annulus . 

CAPCOM Okay. Hey, we need a recorder on here on 

the - 

SC Oh, okay. Let's see - recorder is ON. 

CAPCOM Okay, Ron. Let me read you some questions 

here real quick on D-Caldera. Determine the color differences 
between D-shaped expression and its surroundings. I think you 
pointed some of that out. Have you got any more comments on 
that ? 

SC Okay, there's nothing surrounding D-Caldera 

that looks anything like the silver-gray material that has 
depressed. It's definitely depressed with respect to the 
surrounding terrain. The little bumps that are in D-Caldera 
are the same color and the same smoothness - kind of smooth- 
ness, as the rest of the material, the mare material, surround- 
ing the area. 

CAP COM Okay. 

SC I could not detect the - an external annu- 

lus around the Caldera itself. 

CAPCOM Okay, do you feel that any of the material 

on the Caldera is related to the material in its immediate 
vicinity ? 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 CST 19:14 GET 166:21 CM122/3 

SC The smooth looking - let me get my picture 

here. The smooth looking bumps in there - 

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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 19:24 CST 166:31 GET CM123/1 



SC smooth looking bumps in there are difinitely - 

doesn't look to me like they're the same material as the stuff in 
the whole area. 

CAP COM Okay. 

SC They're smooth, tanish. You know, if 

I look at that picutre - dark colored stuff looks to me 
like it's a depression, you know. And it's the other way 
around. The light - the light colored light albedo stuff in 
the picture is the part that's depressed and the darker 
portions that looks like the material surrounding the area, 
is the part that's raised up. 

CAPCOM Roger. We copy that. (garble) D-Caldera, 

do you have any view of any more of the terrain below you, 
or are your windows pretty well messed up? 

SC Nah, it just got dark. 

CAP COM Okay. 

SC And I stopped talking just about the time 

we got to the terminator. 

CAPCOM Okay, good show. 

SC Let me - let me go back to a map and 

make sure I was talking about F crater. 

CAPCOM Ron, I think you can put an order of 

priority on some activity here as far as the Geology goes. 
You might consider sketching out on Shorty with just a rough 
handle on where you though you saw some of the coloring 
differentiation up on the northern side of Shorty and also 
give some thought on F crater, if you will. I know you 
can't look at it because - If we can tie up the - what 
you see from orbit on Shorty to what we know we've got 
from the ground truth, we might really have something here 
as far as matching up on some of these other craters. 

SC Ah ha. Hey, that's a good point. 

SC Guess I can change the adapter and get 

that out of the way. Well, let's see - kind of fouled 
that one up. You really want 142 and narrow deadband, 
don't you. AT 142 269 and 0. And 359. Forgot we were 
already in that attitude. 

CAPCOM And Ron, you might want to trim your 

attitude. That - you were not to go to that VERB 49. That 
was deleted at 130 - 166:36. That VERB 49 was deleted and 
your attitude is back to the 142 269 359. You might want 
to trim that up . 

SC Okay, just did it. Thank you, Bob. 

CAPCOM It would have done it by itself if I 

hadn't gone to CMC-FREE. But I forgot that we were already in 
that attitude . 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 19:24 CST 166:31 GET CM123/2 



CAPCOM Roger. No sweat here. You've got a 

minute or so before we're in the lunar sounder attitude. 
For the Marius Hills there. 

S C Ok ay , 1 6 6 : 4 2 . 

CAPCOM And Ron, you may be interested that 



after we got the lunar sounder unsaturated 



different attitude, 
lunar sounder data. 
SC 

working, anyhow. 

CAPCOM 
seems to be pretty 
Just hope the film 

SC 

Goodyear out there 



w e 



we can detect the 



there with 
SEP in the 



the 



Oh - hey - good. Kind of proves it 



Yeah, that's for sure, 
tickled at what they're 
comes out as well. 

Oh, I'm sure it will, 
at Litchfield Park do a 



Everybody 
getting so 

P eople at 
good job. 



f ar , 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 CST 19:34 GET 166:41 CM-124/1 



42 



CAP COM 
AMERICA 
12. Okay, 
AMERI CA 



Ron, we've got 30 seconds to T-start. 
Oh, thank you. Operate started at 
recorder's on, radar's on, it'll work. 

MARK. 11, GO. Hey it worked out fine 



Be t 



they hit it 3 
CAP COM 
time this thing 
AMERICA 



seconds 
Rog . 
yet . 

(Laughter) . 



e a r ly . 

They still haven't figured out 



how to 



That was good. I got the MARK 



at same time I did it. 

CAPCOM Okay, you can relax, 

a call at 40 - about 30 seconds prior to 
have to sit there and watch anything. 

AMERICA 

CAPCOM 



Ron , and I'll 
47:10, so you 



give you 
don ' t 



AMERICA 

tell you. 

CAP COM 

Lunar sounder 
AMERI CA 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 



Okay. I'll ah - 

Gotta earn my pay down here somehow. 
(Laughter) Boy you all ready have, I'll 



Okay, Ron. We're about 30 seconds from T-from 
s tand by time . 

Okay. 7, 10, operate to Standby. 
About 5 seconds. MARK. 
Got it. 

Okay, there's your 1 minute, Ron. 
Okay. Recorder is going OFF, not the heaters. 
Roger. Good show Ron. B Farouk just came out 

really charged about what you 



and said a real good showing. He's 
saw there and real pleased with it. 

AMERICA Okay. I think I said north and as I 

at the map, the orange distribution goes generally about 
crater diameter to the north, but it essentially starts - 
if you cut a - about a 60 degree angle from (garble) 63, you've 
got a 60 degree angle there and that'd make that go around at about 
a crater diameter. 



look 
a 

now 



CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
s cale there . 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
you're looking 
is 0 , go up 6 0 
or 30 degrees 
that . 

CAPCOM 
AMERICA 



Okay, to the north 
At (garble) at 63, 



it 



at (garble) at 63. 
that's on the 400-meter 



Ye ah , I ' ve got 
On TL-50. And at the right hand side if 
at the thing from the bottom, the right hand side 
degrees, you're 60 degrees up from the horizontal 
down from the vertical. Be something about like 



Okay . 
I had 



sort of a brownish orange tint to it 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 CST 19:54 GET 166:51 CM125/1 



CAPCOM Ron, I guess one of the things that at 

least goes through Stu's and my mind on that Shorty crater - 
I think you dispelled it when you say it goes off in like a 
60 degree angular cone away from it, but the question we'd 
really like to be thinking about is that a concentric coloring 
around there like it might be just a layering from a flap over - 
you know a turned over flap or something like that or whether 
it just seems to be some sort of - I don't want to say flow, but 
something that would give it direction - the 160 degree 
direction like that. 

SC Yes, I see what you're saying, and it 

almost looked to me like it was gradational as you went 
away from the crater. In other words more orangeish, more orange- 
ish closer to the crater than as you got away from it. 

CAP COM Okay. We're ending up looking at future 

passes. Maybe not today, probably, but for the future and 
see if we can fit in one or two more observation periods 
here where we can set up the back room like we had it and 
all - if you'll go along with that - and if we can fit it 
in - we'd like you to do that. 

SC Oh, sure. The crater that I described 

as looking comparable to Shorty, I don't think is the one 
on Family Mountain. I think it's the one on Bright Dot, 
about the same size dot as Shorty on the 17-1 lead-in for 
the - is that 17-1 for landmark tracking. 

CAP COM Okay. 

SC I think Family Mountain is the bigger 

of the two mounds to the west of the landing site isn't it? 
CAP COM Stand by on that Ron, let me clarify 

that . 

CAPCOM Roger, it's west of the landing site, 

and I believe it's the bigger of the two. 

SC Yes, okay. The one that I said that 

looked like Shorty is kind of between the two mounds. 
That's the one I looked at. 

CAPCOM You say it looked like Shorty or looked 

like the other one? F-crater or Shorty? 

SC It looked like Shorty. 

CAP COM Okay, copy. 

CAPCOM Ron, we'd like the H- 2 tanks 2 and 3 

fans to ON, please. 

SC Okay, H2 tank 2 fan is ON, now - tank 

3 fan is ON. 

CAPCOM Roger, thank you. 

CAPCOM Ron, I might just draw your attention 

to the flight plan at 167:20 - in that area where your 
Lunar Sounder finishes up. It says that there will be no 
SIM bay or PCM data recorded until 169:03 and then you 
have to configure the DSE there, just wanted to draw your 
attention to that. 



APOLLO L7 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 CST 19:54 GET 166:51 CM125/2 



SC Okay, it's a good point. 

SC Hey, would you all do that 60 degree angle - 

were you making that 63 degrees up from - not 63 - 60 degrees 
from line 63? 

CAPCOM Yes, I didn't know how to handle on 63, but I 

took a point at Dog Sierra in 63 and kind of created a 60 V cone 
away from the crater at that point. 

SC Uh , no you want to create a semicircle of - 

at - the center of the cylinder, well - let's see - that's the 
flat half of the semicircle along a line that goes through 
Dog Sierra at 63 and Dog Whiskey 57. 

CAPCOM Dog Whiskey 57, Roger. 

SC Right. 

CAPCOM Okay, I've connected a line - 

SC Make a semi-circle to the right of that 

line . 

CAPCOM Okay, to the right of that line or to the 

north side of that line? 

SC Uh, actually it will be kind of to the north- 

east, but to the north side of it, yes. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 CST 19:54 GET 167:01 CM-126/1 



CAPCOM Ron, we're going to loose you shortly. 

And all the systems look good over here and I've got a bet 
with E-COMM that you'll get everything in the flight plan. 
That you won't miss anything for me. 

AMERICA (Laughter) Okay, we'll try that. Hey be- 

fore I go, take a look at Crisium - Serenitatis 3 of 5 and the 
second one down from the top or second one from the north is 
the one I was looking at, as described as possibly subdued 
and a I mean a rounded type thing with kind of breaches into 
the side of the wall. What I consider breaches in the side 
of the wall. 

CAPCOM Okay, we've got it Crisium - Serenitatis, 

second one from the north, huh. 

AMERICA Yeah. And the other one not even circled. 

It's just north of the one in the bottom and that's the 
one that usually shows up on here. And the impact type because 
it's got ray - ray material as to fresh impact and bringing 
up bluish type of material. 

CAPCOM Okay, good show; you're saying that the 

two of them are distinctly different from the one's youview - 
One's impact and one's possibly a volcanic - 

SC Yeah. Right 

CAPCOM Good show. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 GET 167:50 CST 2043 CM-127/1 



SC Houston, America, it looks like we're with 
you again. 

CAPCOM Roger, Ron. 

CAPCOM Ron, we're at GO for retraction on HF antenna 2, 
HF antenna 2, you're GO for retraction. 

AMERICA Okay, just a half a second here. 

CAPCOM Hold on that, Ron, hold. We've lost data 

here a second, please hold. 

AMERICA Okay, will do. 

CAPCOM Ron, we verify you hadn't started to retract 
th em yet. 

AMERICA Yes, it's verified. I did not touch anything. 

CAPCOM Okay, fine. We'll give you another call as 

soon as we get data here. 

AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM This is important, Ron, for us to get the 
currents on this one so we can compare it on the HF 1. 

AMERICA On the other one, yeah. Okay. 

CAPCOM Okay, Ron, let's try HF antenna 2 retract 
n ow , p leas e . 

AMERICA Okay. There we go. Let's see, you count 
down on it. Okay, five, four, three, two, one, mark it. Barber 
pole. 

CAPCOM Okay, Ron, we're reading good data on that. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 CST 20:53 GET 168:00 CM128/1 



We're changing some 



SC MARK it. Grey. 

CAPCOM Mark it. Roger. 

CAPCOM Stand by for HF 

data points in them. 

SC Okay. 

CAPCOM I'm sorry, HF 1. 

SC (Laughter) Okay. No problem. 

CAPCOM Here in the room when I make a 

like that, I get about 14 different people saying, 

SC (Laughter). Well, I knew what 

talking about. 

CAP COM 
we 1 re - you're 

SC 

that's f unny . 



commen t 
1 not 2 . 
you were 



Okay, Ron, if you'll give us a hack, 
GO for HF antenna 1 recheck. 

Okay. Just a second. (Laughter) You know 
I can't remember which one I can see out my 



left window over there. 

CAPCOM I believe the other night you called 

antenna 2 - If it's still out there it better be 1. 

SC That's what bothers me. That's what 

saying, if it's still out there, it better be 1. Okay, 

I'll give you count down in just a minute. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 
MARK it. Barber pole. 



i t 



I' 



m 



CAPCOM 
in , Ro g . 



of an indication of motion, it's 



That the one you can see? 
Yeah. I can't any more, it's gone. I 
I don't know, 6 or 8 maybe 8 feet of it 



to move, and it's gone, 
can see stall current, now, 



We got part 

gone 

CAP COM 
SC 

can only see about, 
sticking out there. 
SC 

CAPCOM 
give HF antenna 
SC 

CAPCOM 
SC 

CAPCOM 
SC 

CAPCOM 
called stall 
SC 

there h adn ' t it. 

CAPCOM Yeah, 

SC Ready 

CAP COM Stand 
that, Ron. 

SC Wilco. 

CAPCOM Ron, we're analyzing the data on the 

antenna, we're one second out of the tolerance that Stan 
had established for determining the (garble). 

SC (Laughter) 

CAPCOM Say, Ron. Pan camera to stand by. 

SC Okay Pan Camera, by standby. 



can you 



Started 
Ron, we 
off. 

Okay , it's of f . 

And you do not have a size, is that true 
(garble) as compared to the other one. 
Say , again . 

That's affirm, I did not. 

I've got about 9 seconds from when they 
current 9 seconds different from the other one. 
Shoot, it ought to be pretty well in 



i t should b e . 

for pan camera mode, 

by, let me ask, Oso. 



to s t andby . 
Stand by on 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 CST 20:53 GET 168:00 CM-128/2 



SC Power is coming on. Barberpole, grey. 

CAPCOM Ron, you can turn HF antenna 2 recheck 
switch to the OFF position. 

SC Okay, thank you, sir. 

CAP COM Ron. On X-ray X-ray (garble) - 

SC I'll check it off. Yeah, go ahead. 

CAPCOM If x-ray, x-ray is still in the night- 



conn you can shoot off one frame as a protect frame and then 
you can keep shooting on all the rest of them until it won't 
pull any more and you'll feel that of course. And those are 
your opt ion s . 

S C Oh^ 

CAPCOM Don't get too happy it might just pull 

one frame and be done. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 GET 168:10 CST 2103 CM-129/1 



CAP COM 
frame If it does 

AMERI CA 

CAP COM 

AMERI CA 

CAP COM 
up there because 
trim burn or the 

AMERI CA 
camera, I forgot 



Don't get too happy. It might just pull one 



(Laughter) Yeah, probably. 

Okay, Ron, pan camera power 

Pan camera power is off. 

Okay, Ron, you got you setup 
we got a flight plan update for 
bagle burn I guess. 

Okay. (Laughter) You know what I did on 
it. I wound it up in there. I haven't had 



off . 

mapping tools 
tomorrow - the 



that 
a 



chance to take the film out yet, but I wound it back in the can. 
(Laugh te r) . 

CAPCOM Okay, Ron, sorry about that. Okay, let me 

tell you, Ron, we're - all the data analyzed says we got a good 
retract on HF antenna 1; we're going to fly a nominal flight 
plan the rest of tonight and then all this update I'm talking 
about is for tomorrow morning at 180:15. 

AMERICA Ah ha, outstanding. I figured you should 

come to that real good conclusion. 

CAPCOM Yeah, we think so too. Boy, you should have 

seen the flight plan changes you would have had. 



(Laughter) I can 
Over there, okay. 
Say again, Ron, I 



imagine them. 



cut you out 



Oh, I was 
morning . 

Th at ' s right 
Okay . 



just going to say that we re in 



on - 



AME RI CA 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
volume 3 tomorrow 
CAP COM 
AME RI CA 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
f irs t one . 

AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM Okay, I know I told you we wouldn't 

the ones in the block, but the very first one is inside 
so - where it says LOP C target load, just cross out and 
trim target load. 



Yeah , 
Okay. 
Okay , 



volume 
Okay, 
and it 



got volume 
at 180:15. 



3 now . 

180 : 15 



is the 



up date 
the block 
make that 



AMERI CA 
CAPCOM 

of that block 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 

and below it 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 

angle numbers 



POO 



Oh , okay . 

And below the update - next block, at part 
add trim PAD. We'll be coming up you with trim PAD, 
Okay . 

Okay, the first one is at 
add VERB 49 maneuver to P52/TRIM 
Okay . 

And put a note: Maneuver will take 14 minutes 
Okay . 

Okay, we're going to give you the high gain 
and the VERB 49 maneuver numbers tomorrow morning. 



180:20. Add 
att it ude . 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 GET 168:10 CST 2103 CM-129/2 



CAPCOM They'll probably change on the latest up- 

date, so we won't give anything for the - you can just put 
three blanks for the roll, pitch, and yaw there with that 
VERB 49 maneuver. Okay, as you go down the page - 

AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM As you go down the page to 180:27, delete, 

cross out CMC mode 3 POO CMC Mode Auto limit cycle on. Attitude 
deadband, min and rate low. And delete that note that starts, 
"Do not stop orb rate early, avoid gimbal lock problems" over 
there right next to that. Just delete all that. 

AMERICA Okay, got it. 

CAPCOM Okay. On the next column, 18040, delete 

VERB 49 maneuver. 



the 

AMERICA 

CAPCOM 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
between the 02 fuel 
UV off, IR off, and 

AMERICA 

turn the UV cover off, the IR off, 
before the fuel cell purge, huh? 



cove r closed, 



Okay . 

Okay, at 18044, add UV 
V clover closed, 18044. 

Roger, and at 18045, if you can fit it 
cell purge in that, add the following: 
enable all jets, enable all jets. 
Okay, after IR cover closed, we'll put 

and then enable all jets 



in 



CAPCOM 
convenient. Rog. 

AMERICA 

CAPCOM 
DSC", change high- 
rate. 

AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
Add the following: 
AMERI CA 
CAP COM 



Well, you can fit it in there wherever it 



Okay . 

Okay, at 18058, where it says 1 
bit rate, cross it out, and make 



configure 
it low-bit 



Okay , 
Okay . 

Okay . 
Free 



low-bit rate instead of high-bit 
Over on the next page, at 18115 



rate 



Let me read that again. 



SPS burn, burn SIM prep cue card, 
Free SPS burn SIM prep cue card. 



Another statement: 

AMERICA 
SIM prep cue card, 

CAPCOM 
P three zero. 

AMERICA 

CAPCOM 
those words where 
at 18123, add 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 



secure equipment for TRIM/LOPC. 

Okay, at 18115, we'll do the free SPS burn, 
and secure equipment for TRIM/LOPC. 

Roger, and right after that, put P-30. 



Okay . 
Ok ay , 
it says 



and you might as well scratch out 
"Eat Period" on that line, and down 



P-41 , 



P-41. 

Okay , 
Okay, 
Okay , 
Okay , 

maneuver to LOPC burn pad 



P-41 . 
at 18133, 
TRIM burn, 
at 18135, 
attitude . 



add TRIM burn, TRIM burn, 
add the following: VERB 49 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 CST 21:03 GET 168:10 CM129/3 



AMERICA 
attitude. 

CAP COM 
AMERI CA 
CAP COM 

SPS burn SIM prep cue card, 
secure equipment for LOPC". 
already done them. 

AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM Okay, at 18220, 

it says "PCM data 



Okay, VERB 49 to the LOPC burn pad 

At 18143, add "Report burn status". 



Ro ge r . 
Okay . 

Okay, at 18215, at 18215, delete "Pre 

UV off, enable all jets, 
all those, because you've 



delete the note where 



IR off, 
Delete 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 CST 21:13 GET 168:20 CM130/1 



CAPCOM The note where it says, "PCM data will 

not be recorded during LOPC", delete that note. 
S C Okay . 

CAPCOM Okay, and, then the last one is just a 

general comment, Ron. As you can see, we're cutting into 
your eat period, and you're going to be awful busy, and your 
eat period is very short, so right at wakeup, while you're 
working, you might consider getting eat things ready to go 
up with -- ready to eat -- you know, as you're doing your 
post-sleep check and that, you might be getting some food 
out. You're going to be busier than the proverbial one-armed 
paper hanger there. 

SC Okay. Probably a good idea. (Laughter) 

CAPCOM And, we wanted that up to you so you 

might get a chance to look at it this evening, or the rest 
of this rev, and make some thoughts -- or pull your thoughts 
together on that burn in the morning, and see if we've cov- 
ered all bets. 

SC Okay. So far, it looks pretty good 

here. We'll have some different high-gain angles there at 
181:00. You're going to give those up anyhow. 



CAPCOM 
SC 

the next AOS there 

CAP COM 
be calling that up 

SC 

because the — the 
as nominal. 

CAP COM 

SC 

CAP COM 
SC 

CAPCOM 
the reason why 
or whatever you 

SC 



Okay, at 181:00 -- 
Going to send those 



up with the 



for 



we see that. Okay, we'll have to 
tomorrow, as you go around again. 



Yeah , 
to you 

No, it won't -- that'll be the same 
LOPC burn attitude should be the same 



w e 
t 



Uh , yeah, Roger. 
Or about . 

Yeah, you're right. 
Okay, so that's all right. 
Ron, just to make sure, you 
have to do this TRIM burn, or 
re going to call it? 

Yeah, as I understand it, the 



That' s righ t . 
understood 
ham burn , 



mas cons 



didn't work the way we thought they would. 

CAP COM That's about the size of it. 

SC They didn't get down into a circular 

orbit. Let's see, just glancing through here, looks to me 
going to do the TRIM burn and the LOPC RE FS MM AT , 

affirmative, Ron. 



re 



like we 
right? 

CAP COM 

SC 

CAPCOM 
but all this 



has 



That' s 
Okay . 
An d , Ro n , 
been checked 



just, think 
up with CMS 



you realize this 
down at the Cape 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 CST 21:13 GET 168:20 CM130/2 



already, and it's all been run, and there's no gimbal lock 
problems, as far as we know. 

AMERICA Hey, outstanding, okay? Good. 

AMERICA Yeah, those guys in the CMS down there 

do good wo rk . 

CAP COM Roger. 

AMERICA You know, that crater that's circled next 

to de Caldera has a lot of blocks — blocks — blocky materials 
laying around it. That -- little bit of a terrace that I can 
just barely see on the west side of the western rim, down in- 
side the western rim. 

CAPCOM Gotcha. 

CAPCOM Didn't think you were going to be able to 

see anything with the attitude — surprised you can see any- 
thing at all . 

AMERICA Yeah, I was, too. I just happened to 

look out, and there it was. 

CAPCOM Just talked to El Lago a few minutes ago, 

Ron, and all the neighbors are out — are at your home by 
the squawk box listening, and Dan said to tell you that Jaime 
and John will be out here at -- with us tomorrow. We're gonna 
all — they're going to watch the burn from here — the LOPC 
and the TRIM burn. 

AMERICA Oh, hey, good deal. Yeah, I got some 

real fine neighbors down there, I'll tell you that. 

AMERICA You know, I look at that de Caldera from 

a distance, I can still see it in the binocs, and I keep try- 
ing to look for some hint of a topographic expression — a 
topographic rise, surrounding the Caldera, and I can't see a 
hint of a shadow, a difference in the color, or anything. It's 
just flat out in the middle of a flat plain, and it's D-shaped 
depression — it's sunk down. There's no rise around the rim 
or anything. 

CAPCOM Roger, gotcha. Must be frustrating because 

it's supposed to have some topo — 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 13 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 CST 21:23 GET 168:30 CM131/1 



CAPCOM Must be frustrating, because it's sup- 

posed to have topographical expression, huh? 

AMERICA Yeah, right, you know. It's supposed to 

have something. But, it looks like it just fell right out 
of the flat plains huh. And, took part of the plain 
with it because there are these b ubb 1 e- looking things down 
in the Caldera. 

How many frames of the next Nikon mag 
diddle with? 

Okay, we're running that one through 
on it, Ron — 
Okay . 

From the ejecta pattern of Aristoteles, 
looking back into the sun now, and the 
right in the — right in the middle of Aristoteles 
can sure see the classic impact ejecta pattern 
It goes out for — you know -- almost two crater 



AMERICA 
have to 
CAP COM 
here . Stand by 
AME RICA 
AMERICA 
c an j us t 
terminator ' s 
now, and you 
ar o un d it. 



do I 



FAO 



you 



see it 



diameters, as -- where you can see the topographic expression, 
You can see the scalloping, or scouring, as it's going back 
across there, due to the shadows that are created in the low 
sun angle. 

CAPCOM 
tanks 1 , 2 , an d 3 

AMERICA 
There's 3, 2, and 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
I'll try to shave 
helmet . 

CAP COM 
CAP COM 
with a b eard , 
AMERICA 



Ron, at your convenience, we'd like H2 
fans off. H2 tanks 1, 2, and 3, fans off 

Okay, we'll turn off all the H2 fans. 
1 are all off . 

Go od show . 

Well, I took a bath 
tonight . Starting to 



last 
itch 



night; think 
underneath this 



Ro ger . 
You mean 



you're not going to come home 



huh? 



I can t seem 



Well, John wanted me to, but 
to get past the itching stage. 

CAPCOM Just be comfortable, just be 

you got another week to go. 

AMERICA (Laughter) I know it. I've 

shaved once. When you -- when you start to shave, you can 
only — you can only put that brushless shaving cream on, 
oh maybe a third of your face and start hacking out there 



comf ortab le , 
already 



because it dries out real 

then scrape it off with a 

then scrape it off. 

CAP COM Roger 
CAPCOM Okay, 

Magazine Yankee Yankee we 



quick. So, you put on a little bit, 
razor, then get some more on it, and 



data says that on 
unscheduled frames 



Ron. FAO ' s 
have twenty 

you can use prior to the scheduled photography. After the 
scheduled photography, anything that's left will also be 
y o urs . 



that 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 CST 21:23 GET 168:30 CM131/2 



AMERICA Oh, okay. Yankee, Yankee must be the 

next one up, then I can change and put that in, huh? 

CAPCOM That's affirm, Ron. You can go ahead 

and put it in and shoot twenty, and then you have to hold 
the rest for the scheduled photography. 

AMERICA Okay, will do. 

CAPCOM I can see your thoughts there, Ron. You're 

going to get those twenty shot up before Jack ever gets up 
there , huh ? 

AMERICA (Laughter) It is a good thought. No, 

it's just that every once in awhile at the terminators, you 
know, you have some real good shots, and we just can't sched- 
ule them one — all the time, because sometimes you can't do 
it. But, if you just take just one or two shots of each 
terminator as it comes by, you get some real good pictures. 

CAPCOM Roger, we understand. 

END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 CST 21:33 GET 168:40 CM132/1 



AMERICA Okay, Magazine Yankee, Yankee is in the 

Nikon. Finally. 

CAP COM Roger. 

AMERICA Think I mentioned the other night, didn't 

I? I was putting the magazine in there. You know, it's a 
real tight critical fit, and you got to push in there just 
right, and then at zero G's that thing bounces back out of 
the way, you know, before you can get the back on there. 

CAP COM Roger. 

AMERICA (Garble) 

CAPCOM You don't think the Nikon is designed 

for zero gravity, huh? 

AMERICA (Laughter) We're (garble) Sure is some- 

thing to be said about a removable magazine cassette, though. 

CAPCOM Roger. 

AMERICA But, then, again, you can focus the 

Nikon . 

CAPCOM Roger. 
END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 CST 21:43 GET 168:50 CM133/1 

AMERICA Hey, Houston, America. 

CAPCOM Okay, Ron, we're here. 

AMERICA Okay, I was looking over this transfer 

list at about 184:00, and I don't remember Gene and Jack 
leaving their helmet storage bags back to me, so I think 
they must have them in the LM -- the Challenger. 

CAPCOM Okay, we'll make a note of that and 

check it out tonight. 

AMERICA Okay. 

AMERICA Oh, let's see. Probably about time to 

B-20 here. 

AMERICA Plus X forward SIM-bay attitude. Two 

enter, plus five enter, six, okay, proceed, now, it's eight. 
That's already (garble). 62.25 plus X is 180, okay? Except 
we're going to have them redo that. Two enter, 2 1/2 degree 
deadband plus 2,50. Means Number 50 is the Moon, and right 
now we'd like to orbit right around the Moon. 8, 2, 0 — 

END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/12/72 GET 169:00 CST 21:53 CM134/1 



CAP COM 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
s t owa ge bags. 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
gloves with th 
with them over 
them back, but 
they still got 

CAP COM 
minute, and yo 

AMERICA 
Bob. Thank yo 

CAP COM 
see you. 

AMERICA 
CAP COM 
but we'll be s 
AMERICA 



have your 
of fact, 
call about the 
3 are they? 



Volume 3 handy? 



helmet 



Hey, Ron, do you 
Yes, as a matter 
Where, your last 
Where about in Volume 
184, about 19. 
Okay , we got it , 

They got suited and took their helmets and 
em over in the LM. Took their helmets and gloves 
in the LM. They said they were going to send 
I don't think they ever did. We all got busy, so 
them over there somewhere. 

Ron, we're going to lose you in about one 
looking good. No problems at all. 
Okay, we'll see you on the other side then, 



u r e 



Rog. Ron 



At 159:51 or there abouts, we'll 



Okay . 

And you'll be eating, 
tanding by . 

Okay . 



so we won't call you. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 22:42 CST 169:48 GET CM135/1 



Want ed 



NOUN 
at 



H2 



America, Houston. 
America, Houston. 
America, Houston. 
America, Houston. 
America, Houston. 

Okay, Houston. This is America, 
set right so it's easy to lock up. 
Ro g e r . 

How would you like to have some P-52 
Standingby. All ears. 

Okay. NOUN 71, excuse me, are 6 and 42. 
plus 053 minus .011 minus .039 and I torqued 



stuff ? 



Roger. We copy, Ron. 
And Ron, while you are 



th ere we'd like 



CAP COM 
CAP COM 
CAP COM 
CAP COM 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
to get the antennas 
CAP COM 
SC 

CAP COM 
SC 

05 . 01 N 9 3 's 
169 21 00. 
CAP COM 
CAP COM 
tank 1 fans to ON. 

SC Okay. Tank 1 H2 fans 

SC Got to much jug, it won 

jettison bag. 

CAPCOM Ron, just to update you on several of the 

things that happened while you were on the back side of the just 
then. The service crew is at the LM and did there - they're 
in the closeout procedures there and they unveiled the plaque 
and read a message to the school children of the world and 
they received a telephone call from Dr. Fletcher who said 
he'd been in close contact with the White House and was following - 
the White House and was following - they were - the White 
House was following the journey very closely. And He expressed 
the good wises of all the people down here to all of you up 
th e re . 

AMERICA Hey, that's mighty fine. By gosh. 



water on. 
' t all fit 



in one 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 GET 170:08 CST 23:02 CM136/1 



CAPCOM Ron, sorry to interrupt your eating, but 

could you take the H2 tanks 2 and 3 fans to ON. We're trying to 
get the pressures up prior to sleep? 

AMERICA Okay, 2 and 3 ON. 

AMERICA Through these glasses Boti still looks like 

it's a light tannish orange and it's doesn't come all the way 
down to the center of the crater. It's kind of tangent to the 
north edge, tangent to the edge that's perpendicular to the 
scarp line itself as it goes down through there. 

CAPCOM Roger. Copy. 

AMERICA Man, it's hard to see that. Everytime I'd 

focus on that crater, I jiggle a little bit and I couldn't focus 

CAPCOM Roger. Sounds like you use binoculars 

at a football game, huh. 

AMERICA You know you need the 10 power, but you 

sure need something to stabilize them. 

CAP COM Rog. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 GET 170:18 CST 23:12 CM137/1 



AMERICA You know I looked down here, oh boy, just 

between Tacquet and Menelaus and off to the west of Menelaus, there's 
a crater that's about oh 10 kilometers in diameter and just to 
right of it, out in the brown stuff there's a brand new, 
spanking fresh impact crater that has brown ejecta on it. And 
then some of the other craters, that crater happens to be right 
on the edge of the brownish type material, right over one of 
the rilles. I hope I can mark that on the picture or on the 
map and some of the other craters about that same size are out 
in the area, out in there, and they have a, the light colored 
ejecta, just like the normal small impact craters, recent 
impact craters out in the Mare Serenitatis itself. 

CAPCOM Roger, Ron. 

CAPCOM Ron, we'd like to get ready to start on 

some of these state vectors early. This state vector on the 
JET-ON monitor, so if you'd give us ACCEPT, we'd appreciate 
it . 

AMERICA Okay, you can have it now. Is that, yes, let 

me see ... Clear the computer for you. 

CAPCOM Ron, could, just for my information, (garble) 

pinpoint that big crater between Tacquet and Menelaus. 

Is it what . 

Like half way between or is it on the checkline? 
Or is it in the rilles, they're contact, say 
Tacquet, but in the rille area. 
It's, let me get my map. 
Oh, that's allright, Ron 



AME RI CA 

CAPCOM 

CAPCOM 
east, west of 

AMERICA 

CAPCOM 
it's not . 
eating . 

AMERICA 
whatever it is 

CAPCOM 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
my map , so you 

AMERICA 

AME RI CA 
low bate, a low 
thing . I 1 11 be 

CAP COM 
seems to change as 
thing is different 
sure, but boy sure 

AMERICA 
said. It maybe is 
wet it, you know? 



, its no t that , 
(garble) that close. Don't want to interrupt your 

That crater is closer to Menelaus. Menelaus 



Mene laus . 
it on 



can 



Okay . 

And it's almost directly east of 
Rog. I'll put a mark here and mark 
look at it pre-flight, post-flight. 
Okay . 

You know, I look at Decaldara and you got 
bate flow front sticking down in the crazy 
darn . 

Must be amazing up there. The whole scene 
that terminator is shifting each REV. Some- 
in each area, because of that Sun angle, I'm 
is di f . - . 

Yes. You know it's almost like a, what 
a high spot or a dry spot and you try to 



I originally 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 GET 170:18 CST 23:12 CM137/2 



CAP COM 
abo ut . 

AMERICA 
what it looks 

CAP COM 
water on it and 
various lumps 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 
speak analogy 

AMERICA 



Roger, understand exactly what you're talking 

That 1 s 



up to it 



Yes 



And the flows come 
like. Just like that. 

Kind of like a wax surface where you 
the surface tension gathers it together 
and then the rest is clear. 
Yes. Yes that's it. 

And the part that, the wax surface, so 
there, is a light bluish gray. 

Picture number 1 on the Nikon was looking 
south along the terminator and the rilles e. . , west of Eratos- 
thenes . 



th row 

in 



to 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 23:22 CST 170:28 GET CM138/1 



AMERICA 
Timocharis . 

CAP COM 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 

The middle 
CAP COM 
SC 

ejecta blanket, 



And the picture No. 

Lo oklng 



2 is looking towards 



towards where? 



is right on the terminator 



now 



tan 



of 



Say again. 
Timocharis 
Okay . 

Timocharis 
it . 

Got it. 

And that crater that has the definite 
if you'll go - see - directly north - 
directly north of the center of the crater Auwers until you 
come out to about one of those rilles there in the Tackay 
area. That's about where it is , 

Right, we got it. 

Well, I better get busy and start eating 



got 



and 



to 



CAP COM 
AMERICA 
I guess . 

CAP COM 
don't get to busy, 
to read you up 
AMERICA 
CAP COM 
we'll see - 
AMERICA 
AMERICA 
get everything 
CAP COM 
b lock . 

AMERICA 
TEI pad, huh? 

CAPCOM Right 
AMERICA Okay. 
CAP COM Okay, 
AMERICA Copy. 
CAPCOM 36076 plus 

NOUN 81 plus 27857 minus 09571 
is 085 yaw 343 rest of the pad 
Rigel are the set stars 
line. Tonight's R line 



Ron, you got to eat here and then - well 
you're supposed to have been eating. I've 
a TEI 55 pattern. You want to take that - 
No . 

When you get through your PC checklist 



Okay . 
Doe s n ' t 
done that 
Ri gh t . 

Okay . 



seem like there's enough time 
you want to get done. 
Okay, the computer yours back to 



Going to block and see you got a 
TEI 55. 



SPS G &N . 



056 plus 080 196 58 
minus 01746 roll of 
is not applicable, 
li 1 1 le 
4 jets 



but we have a 
is 136 160 034 



difference 
12 seconds 



4651 

179 pitch 
Sirius and 

on th e 



I've got three comments. First comment, 
AMERICA Okay, go. 

CAP COM Longitude is TIG minus 156.91 degrees. 

This pad is still the trim burn and LOPC-1 burn. And this 
status assumes a lift-off REFSMMAT. Over. 

AMERICA Okay. The last note was assume lift-off 

REFSMMAT huh? 

CAP COM That's right. 

AMERICA Okay. TEI 55 SPS G&N 36076 plus 056 plus 

080 196 58 46 .51 plus 2785.7 minus 0957.1 minus 0174.6 
roll 179 085 343. Sirius and Rigel 136 160 034 4 jets 12 
seconds. Longitude is TIG equals minus 156.91 assumes a trim 
and LOPC burn and assumed lift-off REFSMMAT. 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 23:22 CST 170:28 GET CM138/2 



CAPCOM That's a good readback, Ron. Okay, it's 

all yous on the flight plan and - 

CAPCOM Ron, we might point out that if you get 

going into the presleep checklist here and the VHF comm 
configuration, get that done, then there's a break of - 
you'll lose comm and you'll have a 15 - 20 minute break, 
you can jump into your eat and then go right to bed. 

AMERICA Oh, okay. 

CAPCOM Ron, my last call. I promise. Here's 

your H2 tank configuration. We want H2 tank 1 and 2 fans 
to OFF. H2 tank 3 fan to AUTO. And you can delete cryo stir 
from the presleep check list. 

AMERICA Okay. I've got tank 1 and 2 fans OFF. 

And H2 fan No. 3 to AUTO. 

CAPCOM And delete the stir from the check 

list. 

AMERICA Okay, we'll just - we'll just leave the 

Stir . 

CAPCOM Okay, and we'll be standing by to see your 

onboard readout in 10 minutes. 

AMERICA (garbled) Oh, okay. Might just as well 

get those through - let's get to VHF - 

CAPCOM Roger, we concur on that. 

AMERICA Leave on panel 9. Okay, it's received 

and we're in Duplex Alpha and squelch B is whooooo - about 5 
and it cuts out the noise. I don't know if I'd ever hear 
them or not, but anyway it cuts out the noise. Okay, let's 
see - let's see. There's about 36.7. Pyro A barely below 
the line, but we'll say 37.0. And Pyro B is 37.0. And 
looks like that's in good shape. 

AMERICA Okay, quantity and RCS Alpha about 79, 

BRAVO Is 76. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/18/72 CST 23:32 GET 170:38 CM139/1 



AMERICA Bravo is 76 barely 78, delta V. 

CAPCOM Okay, we've got them. I don't know what 

they advertised down here but on one of the big screens here 
for the sign script they've got three - four signs put up now 
that says the Marines look for a few good men. United States 
Air Force a challenge for the bold and fly navy and stay in 
s cho ol . 

AMERICA (Laughter) put all the good things up. 

CAPCOM Rog, well the first thing they up was the 

Marines are looking for a few good men and Deak gave me a 
dirty look here. 

AMERICA (Laughter). 

CAP COM By the way the troops are getting into 

the LM right now. 

AMERICA Okay, they're already to crawl back in, 

huh? 

CAPCOM That's affirm. Ron that closes it all 

out and then you can just preceed through your presleep check- 
list and we'll stand by if you want any calls. We'll see you 
tomorrow and the doctor just wanted one question whether or 
not the cream had done any good on those spots where the 
ZPN was. Has it made it feel better? 

AMERICA Yes, it did as a matter of fact and I 

forgot to look to see if it was still red, but - - 

CAPCOM Okay, as long as it made it 

feel better. 

AMERICA There's a little bitty spot that must 

have been the center of it that's only about an eighth of an 
inch in diameter that's still a little bit red. But, the rest 
of the redness is all gone and it doesn't itch any more. 

CAP COM Re al good . 

AMERICA I think i'm going to have to use a different 

mag than what's listed down there for the Hasselblad. I got 
November November and it's already got 160 frames on it. 

CAPCOM Okay, let me look (garble) here he's sup- 

pose to give me word. 

AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM Ron, you should use kilo kilo in place 

of November November. 

AMERICA Okay, it's sitting there with 65 frames 

on it. 

AMERICA (Humming). 

AMERICA Okay, Houston America. 

CAP COM Go ahead, Ron. 

AMERICA Okay, the mike is cutting out on my light 

weight headset. But, the earphone works real good - works 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/18/72 CST 23:32 GET 170:38 CM139/2 



AMERICA 



okay so I'm going to wear the earphone 



and the lightweight headset and I'll keep the other gentleman 
hooked up you know this call carrier hooked up on a different 
system. So, if I need to talk I can pull the comm carrier 
over. But, I'll be sleeping so I'll have to pull the comm 
carrier over to talk to you. But, I can hear you is what 
I'm s ay in g . 

CAPCOM No problem Ron you're not breaking up to 

us. You know better than we though so no sweat. 

AMERICA Yes, no I thought the lightweight headset 

that that I'll be wearing tonight. 

CAP COM Rog. 

AMERICA I'm wearing the comm carrier now. But, 

it itches if you leave it on all night. 

AMERICA Okay, get the onboard readouts recycle 

the fans will save to the potable water. Mismanagement overboard 
drain. Okay, that's off, waste stowage vent valve closed, 
battery vent by the way is in vent. How about a battery 
readout? Seven alpha is 1. okay optics 0 (garble) optics 
is up, optics are stowed. Cabin pressure regs . 

CAPCOM Okay, Ron we didn't copy your 

manifold or battery manifold read out. 

Battery manifold. It was 1.2 
night too . 

Okay. Thank you sir you just 



w as 



A ME RI CA 
that last 
CAPCOM 
ve ry h ap py . 

AMERI CA 
.6 up th e re , 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
off. Like one 



battery 
Bob and it 
made EE COM 



I don't know when it went from 
at it last night and it was 1.2. 



Okay . 
but I looked 
Roger. 

And repress valve - I 
of them was closed. Okay. 



haven't kicked them 
Total vent valve 



didn't still be off. Okay, it's off 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/13/72 GET 170:48 CST 23:42 CM140/1 



Ron . 
i 



We hear and 



CAPCOM Hey, 
off every 20 seconds. It's timed out exactly 
have the In te rvalomet e r running on something. 



intervalometer , going 
right. Do you 



No , I 



can 
i 



AMERICA 

CAPCOM 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
seconds exactly. 

AMERICA Back up 

stuck to the wall over here 
Besides I don't hear that. 

CAPCOM Besides and - 

to get a recording of it. I mean 
the recording when I get a chance 



t figure out what 



that is . 

We can't either, because we, we hear. 
Times it every 20 seconds, huh? 
Ro g . Tommy just timed it out. Every 



20 



folks the valometer, intervalometer 
They're not hooked to anything. 



it s been , th e 
AMERICA 
AMERICA 

I don 1 1 even 
CAP COM 

Everything ' s 

you want to 
AMERI CA 



last 



have 



two days , 
Okay . 
I'll be 
this tape 
Ro ger . 
in great shape 
do . We won't 
Okay . 



Sure. Well, we're going, 
we, I'm going to look for 

I'll show it to you. Because 
every 20 seconds as big as life. 



we re going 



curious to what, see what that is. 
recorder going now. 

And we went around the room, Ron. 
and you're GO for sleep or whatever 
call you . 
Thank you 



ich . We'll, we'll see 



you all tomorrow, then. 

CAPCOM Roger 
END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/14/72 CST 12:34 GET 183:41 CM141/1 



MADRID A bit downleg on this CSM America round. 

CAPCOM Roger, Madrid. This is Houston ComTech. 

How do you copy? 

MADRID Loud and clear, Houston comm. 

CAPCOM Roger, read you the same. Stand by for 

a voice and keen check. 

MADRID Roger. 

CAP COM This is Houston ComTech on CSM air-to- 

ground, testing 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 1234554321, test 
out . 

MADRID Roger, Houston. Madrid has 100 percent 

keen, modulation is GO, this is CSM air-to-ground. 
CAPCOM Roger, Madrid. 

AMERICA This will enable CI and C2 for roll, off, 

pitch and yaw are off. And, Houston, ready for pan camera 
to stand by and stereo to pair hold, and all those good 
things, whenever you are. 

CAPCOM Roger, America. We're standing by. 

AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM Okay, Ron, you can go to pan camera 

standby . 

AMERICA Camera is -- hey, good morning, Robert, 

how's it going? 

CAPCOM Real fine, real fine. Lousy weather, but 

we ' re all he re . 

AMERICA (Laughter) Okay. Let's see. Pan camera. 

That's verified standby. Okay, it's going up to stereo. Turn 
the old power switch on. (Garble) is still in high altitude. 

CAPCOM You may be interested. We just woke up 

the Challenger, or maybe they woke us up, but I guess they gave 
the song here from there first, and they're all fine, and 
they're in the service checklist getting ready for ascent. 

AMERICA Hey, great. Okay, I ought to get my 

prep for transfer ready here. You know, again last night 
and also this morning as I was flying across the backside of 
the Moon here, I was thinking a little bit, and I wonder, it 
seems like the — the Ar is t ot elean- age craters — you know, 
the ones that are fairly -- fairly fresh -- they're not 
Copernican, and they don't have rays, and this type of thing, 
but they're fairly fresh in their slumping characteristics 
on the inside I think, but they all seem to have a Mare 
floor -- you know, a flat Mare floor, a volcanic type floor 
in the thing. And, I wonder If there's anybody that's kind 
of come up with the theory at all that maybe you had a liquid 
mantle during the Aristotelean era of the formation of the 
Moon. Well, and those craters at that point in time were 
penetrating that liquid mantle. (Garble) 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/14/72 CST 12:34 GET 183:41 CM141/2 

CAPCOM Roger, Ron. That's a good thought. 

CAPCOM Get kind of -- the feeling like you're 

seeing — 

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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/14/72 CST 12:37 GET 183:44 CM142/1 



Thank you, Ron, that's 



a good thought 
i 



CAP COM 

CAPCOM Get kind of - the feeling like you're 

seeing like out at Hawaii where craters like stick up out of 
you see the walls of the craters and the ocean 
them. Is that the kind of feeling you get? 

Must not be because I don't know for sure 



the ocean and 
up in amongst 



what 



AMERICA 
you mean. 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 



Rog. 

I guess the feeling I was getting is that 
most of the E r at os t hene an craters all have some sort of a mound 
admical structure down in the bottom of the crater. You 
know even the smaller ones. Some of the 30 and 50 kilometer 
class you know have a flat floor they look volcanic on the 
floot some of the bigger ones of course they're definitely 
volcanic lava flows on the floor of these big craters. The 
slumping of the walls is not as fresh as the copernakin aged 
crater, but you know it's not all beat up either. The walls - 
the crater walls had a slumping coming down through there 
and It's still fairly fresh in the slumping, but you don't 
have any rays showing up on the outside of the crater. So, 
airsons entian age. 

Ro ger , copy . 

And all of the craters that are that age 
still in them you know. 
Roger . 

But, there must have been 



their kind of 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
the mare 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 



h ave 



activity during that period of time 



CAPCOM 
I'm trying to 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 
in the crater 



my feelings were 



some volcanic 
Ron , tha t what 



say 



I guess 
is - 

Go ahead . 

If you had - if you'd had a liquid mantle 
sticking up through it you might have the mare 
not only on the floor of the crater, but the mare would be 
on the exterior walls of the crater you'd see a high water 
mark along the exterior wouldn't you. 

AMERICA Oh, I see what you're saying yes. No 

you would have to have some sort of a solid crust and when 
impact hit the solid crust and broke through the crust and 
got down into the liquid mantle. 

CAPCOM Okay, now I've got you right. 

AMERICA The kind of an operation I was thinking 

ab out. 

CAP COM Rog, I've got you. 

AMERICA No, but it would have to be a relatively 

th in c rus t . 

CAPCOM Rog, understand. 



the 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/14/72 CST 12:37 GET 183:44 CM142/2 



AMERICA Okay, I've got the temporary stowage 

bags all set and removed to OP from the dikon bags on A2 
and one bag of ropes in there. Put those - could I put those, 
right hand yes, okay that's in the right hand temporary stowage 
bag . 

CAPCOM Okay, Ron you're coming up on 1 minute 

to tank and T start. I'll call you at 30 seconds. 
AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM Okay, 30 seconds to T start time. 

AMERICA Okay, let's see we start at - excuse me 

I got a piece of candy in my mouth - 841 camera will go to 
operate. 40 mark it 41. 

CAP COM Roger, got it. 

AMERICA Bob, if you want to keep your eye on the 

clock for me I'll - - 

CAP COM Ron I'll cue you and 

just forget the pan camera and I'll cue you about a minute 
prior to pan camera stop. 

AMERICA Okay. This jet bag is so full of junk 

I don't know if I can get through the tunnel. 

AMERICA Okay stow the old rope in the right hand 

temporary right hand okay, that's mine, did that. Dikon 
bags straps to top of A2 and hang L3 okay, that's where it's 
been for a long time. We have two jet bags. Vacuum bag and 
the vacuum cable from A2 and the cable's already in the bag. 
Empty jet bag, the vacuum bag and the cable in the left hand 
temporary stowage from last night. Yes, that's in there. 
Okay, let's see Stow the empty jet bag - oh, I did that 
okay, replace remaining jet bag on A2 mode with following. 
Okay, A9 is empty so I got that fecal bags oh those are 
the empty ones. Oh, yes and we've got some extra ones on 
here. Heat flow experiment I did a good job and now I'm 
going down the tubes. Okay, it's in the bag. Okay, the 
helmet shield WG ' s . The next one okay that's all four of them. 
I've got to take that one off. 

CAPCOM Okay, Ron when you can recup we'd like 

high gain auto. 

AMERICA High gain to - where is it - auto. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/14/72 CST 12:48 GET 183:54 CM143/1 



AMERICA 
would — 

AMERICA 
put on tho s e 
th at we have 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
AMERICA 
anything else 
CAPCOM 



Oops, just about threw away my PRC That 



they 
tape 



get 



You know, 
food b ags . 



that's sure good tape that 
Lot better than that roll of 



Ro ger . 
(Singing) 
Bent it over 
in to them . 
Ro ger . 



two small jet bags. Can't 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/14/72 CST 12:58 GET 184:04 CM144/1 



AMERICA Okay, (garble) for WG's and interconnects 

stow on right hand temporarily. Okay, we'll put a -- 
two WG's in each guy's temporary storage bag. 



A8, 



CAP COM 
T-stop t ime . 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 
is it ? 

CAP COM 

30 seconds from T-stop time now. 



Okay, Ron. You're 1 minute from pan camera 
Okay? 

I'll give you another cue in 30 seconds. 
Come up here and get that one then. Okay? 
Forgot to write down T-stop. What time 



It's 184:06:43. And you're 



to 



AMERICA 
s t an dby . 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
AMERICA 



0643 



Okay' 



- you're about 
06B will set it of f . 



T-stop ? 



Go 



s t ar ted 
e arly 



Mark up 

2, mark it, it's off. Okay? 
Hey, while I think about it, I 
mapping camera and laser altimeter about 3 minutes 
there — on the backside. 

CAPCOM Okay, we copy. 

AMERICA The old vacuum "cleanuh". 

AMERICA Presto. 

AMERICA Right now, if I can find the cable. 

AMERICA Power cable in the back of the bag. 

there's old vacuum bag. 
AMERICA Vacuum bag here. Which 

things, those guys are pretty dirty down 



the 



(Singing) 



Ah. 



of 



from the sounds 
there. Probably 



nee d 



bag . 

Ro ger . 

(Singing) Got 
it for the cable. 

Good little 
starts up. Let me 



the pins 



on it . Gotta 
(Singing) (Whistling) 
vacuum cleaner we got. Does 
try it again, okay? Watch the 



Okay , 
Let's 
back up 
I guess 
Well, 



we'll 
see. 
now . 



watch you set the 
1 1 mus t be 3 , 2 , 
Just the starting 



1 , on . 

t orq ue 



on 



an extra 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
have holes in 

AMERICA 
that when it 
main Bus B. 

CAP COM 
AMERICA 
Starting — yeah, 
this crazy motor, 

AMERICA Well, it works. Glad I tried that 

hate to hear that thing while we're — oh, I know what 
expect now. And if this thing will fit down here 
F2 and an MDC. Supposed -- 

CAPCOM Ron, we're going to think about that 

awhile. You're starting current was a little higher than 
we expected on that. We're checking through the background. 

AMERICA Okay. I wasn't quite expecting it either. 

CAPCOM Gets the old heart rate going a little bit 

doesn ' t it 1 



out . 

to 

between the 



I ' d 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/14/72 CST 12:58 GET 184:04 CM144/2 



AMERICA Yeah, makes it kinda go pitty pat. 

AMERICA Okay, let's see now. Oh, that's Hadley 

Rille. Looked out the window. Okay, back to work here. 
Let's see, vacuum brush, did that, power cable, connect the 
cable, stow the vacuum between F2 and MBC, okay. Oh, the 
helmet storage bags. I put mine down there, but I don't 
have theirs. (garble) (Singing) Should be able to get 
to it right there, I guess. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/14/72 CST 13:07 GET 184:14 CM145/1 



AMERICA What's the time here? Let's see, 17. 

Just barely — barely making headway here. Okay, I did 
that. Close out curtains. Stow in right hand temporary 
stowage bag. Okay. Good idea, then we can get in there and 
put those old rock boxes in those hole. 

CAPCOM Hey, Ron, doyou have -- did you write 

down the time that you torqued to the current REFSMMAT at 
183, right around there? 



AMERI CA 
that. I'm sorry 
course line, and 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 

CAPCOM 

AMERICA ■ 
minus . 439 er 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 
got two little 



Yeah, sure did. I meant to give you 
Let me give it to you. Okay, I did the 
torqued at 183:01:45. 
Thank you, Ron, and while we — 
Course line torqueing errors were — what? 
Go ahead. 

Okay, course line torqueing errors are 
7 -- or .798, minus .092. 
Okay . 

Prime difference is .01. 

Got that while we've interrupted you, we've 
things down here that we can remind you of . One 



minus 



of them is that the current we saw on the vacuum cleaner 
was just about nominal, and it tripped on the OMNI volt by 
just a tenth of a volt, so we — its — we wouldn't have 
expected the under volt, but the current — starting torque 
current was just about nominal. And, the other thing is that 
we're still getting kind of bad data on EKG. If you have 
time, you might check your sensors, 
either of those. 

AMERICA Oh okay, say, do 

light photo pad yet? 

CAPCOM Rog, I've got it 

P-24 landmark tracking pads, too, if 
30 or take them now, your choice. 

AMERICA 
away first. 

CAPCOM 
AMERICA 
things to do, it 
thing I did half 

AME RI CA 
a little energy. 
CAPCOM 
AMERICA 



There's no hurry on 

you have the zododic 

right here, and I've got 
you want to wait until 



Uh , let me get this other stuff squared 



Right . 

Then I can get it. 
looks like, then I'll 
of them last night. 

(Singing) Have a sugar 
(Garble) 



Got about two more 
be all done. Good 

cookie cube for 



Okay, Ron, pan camera power off 
Camera power — off. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/14/72 CST 13:16 GET 184:23 CM146/1 



AMERICA Bottom of BJ bag insert the bottom 

flap in the top pocket. Got my suit in there — come out. 
Get my suit out, I guess. Okay, I guess we're ready to take 
our mapping camera off, huh? Is that what you said? 1524. 
Yeah. Mapper's gone off. 

AMERICA Okay, mapping camera's going to standby. 

Oop , barber pole. (garble) There's one off. Transponder 
going to heater. Okay, mapping camera laser altimeter cover. 
It's closed. Barber pole? Right. Okay, those are all three 
closed. And, check thru the isolation valve. Okay, go 
to POO and turn on the A- 1 too. A-l down, up, down. 
Okay, A- 2 . We gotta coupled attitude. Okay, Houston, 
America, ready to copy. 



Ron 



p ad . 



F-l 
add 
T-2 



T-start time of 1845822. 
T-start 1845822. 
and over at 18550 



CAP COM Okay, 
Zodiacal light at 1 
AMERICA Okay, 
CAPCOM Okay, 
tracking pad and the 17-1 tracking pad, 
that we will not give you the tenths of 

these are high altitude. 
Oh, yeah, we don't need 
Okay. F-l, 1, T-l 
T-3 4518; if north, 



We're with the zodiacal light 



we ve got the 
and I just might 
a second on the 



times, because 



4430, 



AMERICA 

CAP COM 
4250, TCA is 
cal miles . 

AMERICA 
north 9 miles 

CAP COM 

AMERI CA 

CAPCOM 
south 03 nautical 

AMERICA 
s o uth 3 mil es . 

CAPCOM 
front of me right 

AMERICA 

AMERICA 
tracking work out 

CAPCOM 



those, 
is 1853800. 
909er, north 



Okay? 
T-2 is 
09 nauti- 



Got 



Okay , 
that , 
Okay . 
Yep . 
Okay . 
mi le s . 
Okay . 



F-l 1853800, 
I gues s . 
15-1, you ready? 



4250, 4430, 4518, 



It 



1855725, 1860215, 0355, 0443 
17-1 1855725, 1860215, 0355, 0443, 



Okay, Ron, that's the pads I've got in 
now. You're up to date. 
Okay, thank you. 

(Singing) How did that plane change on 
on that plane change burn. That okay? 

Right now, it's beautiful. Let me check 
It's very good. Let me — let me get 



with FIDO right now 
your parameter down. 

AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM They don't have a real smooth solution 

yet on that track, but it's real good, no problem at all. 

AMERICA Good, okay. Old computer comes through 

again . 

CAPCOM That's affirmative. Guess those residuals 

on the SPS burn were like zero, weren't they? 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/14/72 CST 13:16 GET 184:23 CM146/2 



AMERICA Yeah, thats a -- that's a good -- 

AMERICA Is there a place in there where I hook 

up that TV camera? Maybe I'll do that now. Look like it. 

Okay, and I see a 30 something -- I'll get it out of I can 

find it. — old jet bags in the way. Want that — all over 

the place . 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/14/72 13:26 CST 184:33 GET CM147/1 



AMERICA Okay, let's see. 30 some - can't get It 

out, but - Ah, little jet bag's in the way. Want some - 
floating all over the place. 

AMERICA And, Bob, give me a clue when you get 

ready to do that VERB 49. 

CAPCOM Yeah, you're right on time for the 

VERB 49, Ron. It's 37 in the flight plan and it's 37 right 



now . 

AMERICA 
AMERICA 
AMERICA 
AMERICA 
Yankee Yankee 



Okay, I'd better get busy on it then I guess. 
024, I guess it is. 

00. Okay, 2472 and 4 (garble) and AUTO. 
Okay, Nikkon 55 mm. to infinity. 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/14/72 13:36 CST 184:43 GET CM148/1 



AMERICA Okay, Nikon 55, voltmeter 2 infinity. 

Yankee Yankee. Gives frames. (garbled) tape 2 flood 
lights . Okay . 

CAPCOM Ron, we'd like to get the H2 tank 2 

fan to OFF. Say again. H2 tank 1 fan to OFF. 

AMERICA 1 fan is OFF. 1, 2, 3 are all OFF. 

AMERICA Okay. Time to run the radar check. 

It's been in heater for a minute. Closed Okay. Heaters 
for 21 minutes. Power. Gage, transmitter A and she's 
reading 2.8. Okay. Times spot our test. Oh, okay. You 
read about 2.35. Okay. Ah, good operators (garble) 04. 
Right hand to C and it unlocks it rather than anything. 
Up to .8. Meets .3. Same thing as it did before. Looks 
like rendezvous radar. Transponder stuff does its works. 
Yeah, (garbled) Alpha's still 1.2. Turn to heater. Okay. 
Go . 

AMERICA 2 90 and 0, okay. T-start is in there. 

And a plus 22. Okay, NOUN 78 is VERB 249 there it is. 05 
plus half a degree dead band. I have up 18 2 and 4. Looks 
pretty good. Now let's see. We can go ahead. 

AMERICA Ah. 

CAPCOM Ron. We're a couple minutes from LOS 

here. You're looking good. We'd like to make sure you 
get the data system off and just a comment on the rendezvous 
transponder. We're going to leave it at here straight 
through until ascent because the - the LM got up late. They're 
not doing there P-22 today. 

AMERICA Oh, okay, okay. Understand. Okay, the 

old data system is going OFF. Man, I got to configure the 
DSE and AOS looks like. 

CAPCOM And we have configured the DSE is controlled 

at Ron. You can scratch that line of the flight plan. 

AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM And have a good zodiacal light. 

AMERICA Put, put, push, pull, click, click. 

Round the corner 3 seconds, 1/2, 1/4, skip 1, skip 2, skip 5, 
that ' d be f un . 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/14/72 CST 14:31 GET 185:37 CM149/1 



n ow 



AMERICA 
let 1 



see, 



see 



AMERICA 

AMERICA 
sticks. 

AMERICA 
did that other 
( Wh is t ling) 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 
Caus e I don ' t 

CAP COM 

AMERICA 
see it much . 
now with interest 
long ways from it 
3 maybe. 

CAP COM 

AMERI CA 
then. Okay, I 
of that thing — 



Can't sponge, but I guess it works. Okay, 
what to do next, find a new sponge or something. 
The hair's starting to grow out again. 
Better take the sticky stuff off before 



l 1 



(Singing) Taking a walk. Okay, where 
little thing go? (Singing) Okay, 20. 



42 -- 4150, I hope 



Maybe — 



Mark T- 2 time. 
Oh, okay, coming up 
it yet. 

T-2's at 4250, P CA is at 4430. 

Oh, okay. On the old DAC here-- don't 

7 degrees. Okay, she's coming down 
Aha, I see it. And, it's pointing a 



It's five degrees up. Oh, not that much, 



Do you have the DAC on now, Ron? 
Yep, DAC's on. Gotta bring her down 
guess the best thing to do is take the center 
right there. It was supposed to be 10 seconds 



ap ar t . 

AMERICA That one was a little bit off. Discount 

that one. Okay, beautiful. Right there, right (garble). 
Ah, hah, it's going through zero phase. Got it. Have to lose 
it. Last one, okay. Last one may not be that good. Just 
lost it. Okay, DAC is off. Okay. T CA P 20 , T zero, enter, 
nine time VERB 25, 



time to load the F 
Might have time to 

CAP COM 
configure your VHF 

AMERICA 

okay, configure duplex Bravo, 
load the VOX, I'm in. VHF AM 



NOUN 89, enter. Plus 20160. Wish I had 
crater and look at it through the Sextant, 
do that. 201 where am I - 15405 plus 15. 

Roger, Ron. We'd like to make sure you 
prior to this landmark 17-1 tracking. 
Okay. 5 plus 2016 2 plus 15405F60 

VHF comra, B is duplix, okay, 
and TR channel 9 instead of 



receive, okay? Antenna to the right, 
hear myself cutting in and out. 

CAP COM 
reminder that, Ron, 
there, we just keep 

AMERICA 



Just (garble) I can 



Okay, you sound good to us, just 
that the transponder does not go 
it in heaters. 
Okay, thank you. 



a 

to 



power 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/14/72 GET 185:47 CST 14:40 CM 150/1 



AMERICA Antenna to the right, just squelched. I 

can hear myself cutting in and out. 

CAPCOM Okay. You sound good to us. Just a reminder that 

rendezvous transponder does not go to power there, we just keep 
it in heaters. 

AMERICA Okay, thank you. Okay, number 1 - make sure we 

pick them up, transmitter 9 - we're duplex. Okay, by the way, the 
old zodiacal light, went like a charm. Easy. Cut out enough of 
those things, you know, so that - reasonable to get them done. 

CAPCOM Roger. Good show. 

AMERICA And the sun came smacking through the window at 

15 01 something like that. 

CAP COM Okay, Ron, you've got to load your NOUN 89 

to me, I missed it, and we just want to remind you that we'd like 
CD rolls configured and we'll be using CD rolls for the rest of 
the miss ion . 

AMERICA Oh, okay. We'll change the old (garlbed) did I 

miss that somewhere. 

CAPCOM No sir, that's a call from us. And you can 

wait until 186 11 there's no hurry or anything like that. Just 
a reminder. 

AMERICA Okay, let me wait till after this landmark tracking 

here. De de de de de . . . 5 7 25 - Okay. If you'll give me a call shortly 
before T-l and I can start my clock. 

CAPCOM Roger, Ron. 

AMERICA And in the meantime, I can put in another little 

old sponge. That'll keep the surgeons happy. Besides it feels better 
to change them anyhow. Different spot. 

AMERICA Okay, you ought to be getting good data now. 

CAPCOM I'll go over here and make the - Rog, he says 

we're getting good data now. 

AMERICA Okay. 

AMERICA I wanted to be all clean shaven and like to be nice 

and presentable for the guys and I didn't have time to shave yet. 
CAP COM Rog. Still itching? 

AMERICA No, it's not too bad, really. Right now it's just 

kind of to a point right underneath the chin, you know, where your 
tong carrier ties on with that little pad down there. 

CAPCOM Hey, Ron, if you let it grow a little bit you can 

join the back up crew. 

AMERICA Hey, that's right too. There goes old Picard, 

right through the telescope. And at this kind of a sun angle it 
still has a dark halo. Looks like the dark halo is a little bit 
smaller - you can't notice the distinction quite as much. It only 
goes out to about to about a half a crater diameter. You can see a 
hint of something out to one crater diameter. You can still see the 
dark material - dark albedo type stuff on the eastern side of the 
crater. And the demarcation between the two of them. It just disappeared, 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/14/72 GET 185:47 CST 14:40 CM 150/2 



CAPCOM Okay, Ron, you're less than a minute till T-l. 

I'll give you a call in 30 seconds. 

AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM Okay, Ron, 30 seconds to T-l. 

AMERICA Okay. Give me another call when you start. 

CAPCOM And Ron, you might be getting - making a VHF 
check here, right while you're doing the landmark tracking. 

AMERICA Okay. 

END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/14/72 GET 185:57 CST 1450 CM- 



CAPCOM And you might be making a VHF check here 

right while you're doing the LM R tracking. 
AMERICA Okay. 

CAPCOM I'll call you on that T- 2 if you want 

and you can go ahead and call and make your voice check. 

AMERICA Okay. Man, you can't find anything - 

anything with the sextant. Okay, let's see, T-l was 
(garble) 25 - will be one minute. 

CAP COM Ron, will you give your LM guide as a 

call, please. They're calling. 

AMERICA Oh, okay. Hey, Challenger, this is Sea 

Monster, how do you read? This is America, really (laughter) 
Hey, read you loud and clear. Okay, I'm just transmitting 
Duplex Bravo. Okay, I'm doing great now - standing by for 
you - do a little more tracking when I go over this time. 
Negative on the ranging. Hey, 

outstanding. I tell you, it's a beautiful bird. Okay, 
you're kinda fading out a little bit. Okay? Okay, we'll 
see you when - just prior to liftoff, then. Guess I can 
turn my VHF off if theirs is off. 

CAPCOM Yeah, it shows going off at the end of 

landmark check. 

AMERICA Okay. And there cames Maraldi. 

CAPCOM Okay, you're coming in 1 minute to T-2 

time . 

AMERICA Okay. Medium okay. Channel's off VHC . 

Okay, we're passing over the Sculptured Hills and coming in 
to the landing site, now. I still say (garble). Beautiful. 
Boy, it's going to be bright. 

CAPCOM Okay. Stand by for a mark on T-2. 

Mark T-2. 

AMERICA Off, a long ways off. Let's point up 

to (garble) mountain. You know, through the telescope any- 
how, the whole area down there is a lot lighter than it used 
to be and I'm sure is due to the increase of the Sun angle. 
However, the landing site itself and the whole valley ex- 
tending on out to the Serenitatis annulus is still darker - 
darker than the surrounding territory but with the higher 
Sun now, it's a lighter tan than it used to be. Come on, 
catch up with us there. Okay, I got three good marks right 
there in a row there. That's because I missed the PCA - 
couldn't catch up with it. (garble) is gone. Okay, this 
Family mountain looks like it's black on the top - not 
black, but a real dark - dark gray on top of it. 

CAP COM High gain auto. 

AMERICA High gain auto? 

CAPCOM Please. We're in better shape, now. 

AMERICA I can see the Earth. 

CAPCOM Okay, stop running the tape, Ron. 

AMERICA Okay, VERB 48 enter. VERB 24 enter. 

1112 0111. That looks good. Proceed. Okay, we'll VERB 49 i 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/14/72 GET 185:57 CST 1450 CM-151/2 



CAPCOM Ron, you'll need to select your jett for 

BD roll. 

AMERICA Thank you. Good point. I was doodling 

around looking through the telescope. Ran across the 
Seranitatis there. 

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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/14/72 15:00CST 186:06GET CM 152/1 



CAP COM Ron, you'll need to select your jets 

for BD roll. 

AMERICA Oh, thank you. Good point. I was dood- 

ling around looking through the telescope going across Ser- 
enitatis here. (chuckle) Let's see, roll mode here, 180, 244 



and 



12. No, that's not the (garble). 
CAP COM Ron, here's some information for you 

while you're working here. The control status you're above 
the line on everything and in particular you might be con- 
cerned about SM RCS, you're 1 percent above flight plan 
plan at this time, even after that burn. 

Even after the burn still 1 percent, huh? 
That's affirmative. 
That's good 'cause 
in there too. - Hey, I 
I could just P24 I could 
would show where it was. 
can't I? Let's see - from (garbled) 
or something - Oh, okay, I'll take a 



AMERICA 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
bled) command 
crater I wish 
and then that 
that , 



a 409 
on it 
n ow . 
of it 

s o me 

good that will be, 

CAPCOM 
crater you want? 

AMERICA 
alarm and I don't 



I had a little (gar- 
found my bright mound 
just take a mark 
I could - I can do 
I ought to get 
couple of marks 



2 - yeah, I was afraid of that. Disappearing 
Still has the brown - the tannish ejecta off 
and it hit over in the - in that volcanic rille area, 
sequence camera pictures of it but I don't know how 



Ron, did you get your mark on the 



Yeah, I think I got 
think it will take 



have 



know , 



- I got a 405 
a mark, - when you 
anyhow, I took 2 marks on it. 



that 405 alarm. But, 
CAP COM Okay. 

AMERICA It might be in the data, 



there , I don 1 1 



CAPCOM 
is on page 3277 of 
a long one, so any 

AMERICA 
that, let's see - 
is down to, huh, 

CAPCOM 

AMERICA 

CAPCOM 
like ACCEPT. We 

AMERI CA 



Ron, I've got that P27 update pad which 
the flight plan at about 186 hours. It'; 
time you want to copy it. 
Okay, I guess I better - get going on 
let's - Okay. The magazine Bravo Bravo 
50 percent. 
Ro g e r . 

Lost my pad somewhere - pencil - 
Hey, Ron, now that you're in POO we'd 
got a state vector. 

Okay. - And I'm ready to start copying. 



I got 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/14/72 15:00CST 186:06GET CM 152/2 

CAPCOM Okay, it's a long one. The first one is 

a CSM state vector - 71, GET is 188 01 42, index is 21. The 
following line is all data - I'll break about every 5 if 
you want to stop me. Opposite 02 we go data as follows: 
01501 00002 77563 77431 77517 45633 00013 11736 65021 43762 
11131 31244 07624 10720 10043 17330. End of the CSM state 
vector, read back. 

AMERICA Okay, verb 71 188 01 42 21 01501 00002 

77563 77431 77517 45633 00013 11736 65021 43762 11131 31244 
07624 10720 10043 17330. 

CAP COM Good show, Ron, and do you want to break 

here or do you want to take a LM state vector verb 71? 

AMERICA Ah - if you're through with the computer 

I might start the maneuver to attitude, here. 

CAPCOM Negative, we still need the computer, Ron. 

AMERICA Okay, let's go on with the LM, then. 

CAPCOM Okay, I'll give you the same thing just 

interrupt me if - about every 5. LM state vector verb 71 
GET 188 19 00, index 21, data follows: 01501 77775 77472 77201 
77741 70163 00121 16227 77273 41206 17767 36400 05052 15405 
10051 32120. That's it, if you can read back the computer 
is yo urs . 

AMERICA Okay, I'll go to block. Verb 71, 

188 1900 21 01501 77775' 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/14/72 GET 186:17 CST 1511 CM-153/1 



AMERICA Okay, I'll go to block. VERB 7118819 0021015 01 

four 7s and a 5, 77472 77201 77741 70163 00121 16227 77273 
41206 17767 36400 05052 15405 10051 32120. Over. 

CAPCOM Roger, Ron, good readback. I've got a DAP 

weight for one man for the CSM, if you want to copy it somewhere? 
FAO would like to get the maneuver started. Ron, go 
ahead and I'll give you the - 

AMERICA Okay. 80 244 and 341 proceed. 

5018 CMC caged, proceed. Okay, CSM weight. 

CAPCOM Okay, CSM DAP weight for one man - 36032. 

Note, too, engine trim good as is. And a note from FAO. If 
mag Bravo Bravo has 50 percent, no need to change. Good for 
docking with 50 percent. Readback. 

AMERICA Okay, CSM weight is 36032 and that's for 



» ~ ^ o 

alone, I guess. Packed off and yacked off are good as 

s 50 percent on mag Bravo Bravo, so we might as 
huh? 

That's affirmed. 

Don't want to run out. Okay. Houston, 
you all reset the surface flight? 

That's affirmative. That's affirmative. 



me 

is and there T 
well use it , 
CAP COM 
AMERICA 
America, did 

CAP COM 
We reset it. 

AMERICA 
CAP COM 
Ron, is the OU 
AMERICA 



ve got open right now, 



Okay . 

The only thing we 
and ascent pad or pads. 
MtMiii Okay. I - yeah, if you had them I could 

go ahead and copy them but - if you haven't, well that's alright 

CAP COM Okay, Ron, I've got the direct ascent and 

the coelliptic rendezvous. Take times page 187. Yeah, that's 
on time 187. 

AMERICA Okay. Just a second there, Bob. Okay, 

ready to copy the old direct ascent pads, I guess. 

CAPCOM Okay, Ron, the direct ascent - GET liftoff 

188013593, GET TTI 188555700 Over. 



AMERICA 
CAP COM 
below that.- 
AMERICA 
CAPCOM 



188555700 . 
rendezvous pad 



Okay, liftoff 188013593, TP I 
Okay, Ron and the coelliptic 
GET liftoff. 

Okay . 

188011400. Down 11 CSI time - 189015381. 



END OF TAPE 



APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 11/14/72 CST 15:21 GET 186:27 CM-154/1 



CAPCOM 911 CSI time, 189 01 53 81 now 37 

TPI time, 190 55 0000. Over. 

SC Okay. Liftoff is 188 01 14 00, 

CSI 189 01 53 81 TP I 190 55 0000. 

CAP COM One thing's wrong in there, Ron, the 

GET time lift off is 188 04 and they call it the rendezvous 
pad, 188 04 14. 

SC Yeah, does sound a little better. 

CAPCOM Did you get that, Ron, 188 04 14 00. 

SC Okay, for the coelliptic lift off is 

later than ascent so it is 188 04 14 00. 

CAP COM Roger, good readback and open up 

block if you didn't copy the CSM weight that I gave you 
before is 36 032. 

SC Yeah, 36 032 that's where I put it. 

Okay, I guess you need a P52 . Tattt Tattt (humming). 

CAPCOM Give you an easy one didn't we. 

SC Yeah. Yeah, but with the earth in the field 

of view you can tell you that there's a star there, but you 
can't recognize the pattern. 

CAPCOM We'll know when we look at the sky a little 

di f f e ren t . 

SC Ha ha. That's right. 24 is gaina, 

okay. Take me to gaina. After gaina, 1 hope. Oh, that's 
not so b ad . 

CAP COM Yeah, we'll buy that. 

SC Okay. Flux 102, flux 030 and a 

minus 08 at 186 how about 35, huh. 

CAP COM You can torque them. 

SC Okay. I torque. Uh ha, testing for 

theory. Bill, the view is 1 point 8 degrees per section 
isn't it . 

CAPCOM That's affirmative (garble) 

SC Just move it inside of it so this is, 

indeed, 2 degrees in diameter. 



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APOLLO 17 MISSION COMMENTARY 12/14/72 GET 186:37 CST 1531 CM-155/1 



And 
Down 



AMERICA - doing here now - calibration. Okay? 

that's a pretty good picture. That's within the deadband. 
is timing - That's it, right there. 

CAPCOM Okay, I copy those numbers in your 

DSKY? 

AMERICA Okay. 

CAP COM Ron, we're 12 minutes from LOS here and 

you're looking good. You want to be done in your PTA so that 
you're not on loop at LOS. We just - You're looking good and 
just be advised that we'll be - have the S-band relay from the 



LM 

be 



to you will be active. When you come around, 
a single CAPCOM loop set up for this next rev. 

Okay, I'll go to PTT then for 



AMERICA 
an op er ation . 

CAPCOM 
to the LM. The 
other way , Ron . 

AMERICA 

CAP COM 

AME RI CA 

CAP COM 
time we want 
split loop we 

AMERICA 

CAPCOM 
when you can, please 

AMERICA 



and there ' 11 
that type of 



Roger, 
LM will be 
Unless we 
Oh , it 

And also } we 
Yeah , that' s 



real good, 
relaying to 
need to set 
won't? Oh, 



You will not be relaying 
it won ' t go the 



yo u but 
up - 

okay, I see. 
do have the dual - 
a good deal. 



- list set up here at CAP COM , so if at any 
to break down any relay at all, and go back to 
can do it, no problem. 



Okay 
Ron , 



just a reminder, zero the optics 
Okay, thank you. 



END OF TAPE