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National Aeronautics arid 
Space AdmtniSt! :-t!on 

Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center 

Ho. i .-ton 1ex.r /7058 
NOVl'MBKK 1982 




Okay. We're ready to start with our first chanqe- 
of-shift news conference for STS- 1 ^. with us today, we have 
Fliqht Director, Tom HoUoway, and Mr. Holloway has brouqht with 
him Ernest Smith, the flat a process inq systems flight controller 
for the first shift. We'll open the conference with a summary 
from Mr. Holloway. 

tom HOLLOWAY We launched the first operational shuttle thi 
.norninq early. Liftoff was at 6:18:59.61 seconds and if you ■..> 
vour arithmetic you'll find that it was a little bit early, so we 
were not late today, we were early. The launch, as you all know, 
was 'very normal in all respects; well within expected tolerances 
and everythinq went verv well durinq powered fliqht. In fact, 
thinqs have gone very well all day today. Our orbit at present 
time is 160 by 161 miles. We were shooting for 160 by 160 
nautical miles and we think 160 by 161 is very qood , well within 
what we would exoect to be able to do on any given day. The post 
insertion activities with the 4 fliqht crew onboard have gone 
exceptional ly well. They have been either on the timeline or 
cihead of the timeline all dav. They're invi?ioned, seems to me 
at least, to be in very good spirits, enjoying themselves as well 
as doing a very excellent job in accomplishing the work that they 
had to do to configure the spacecraft for the on-orbit operations 
and get ready for the deployment this afternoon. At the present 
time, we are on schedule. The crew is feeling well. Things are 
qoing exceptionally well, and we expect to deploy the SRS 
satellite this afternoon on schedule at 8 hours. The only 
anomaly that we have had, that is of any significance, is we have 
aoparently lost CRT number 2 which Erni can talk to you about if 
you have any detailed questions on it. It failed somewhere 
between Dakar and Yarraqadee riqht after launch. At the present 
time, that loss of that CRT does not impact our operation and we 
would be expectinq to complete the remainder of the fliqht 
without any influence on how we operate, or the kind of things 
that we do on-orbit. I believe with that, we'll go ahead and 
open up for questions. 

Okav. We'll take questions first from Houston. 
Please raise your hand and identify yourself when we call on 
you. Carlos Byers, Houston Chronicle. 

CARLOS BYERS Good morning. You've had the... you said 
everything was nominal and I'm sure it was very close but there 
was a call during the powered flight that said that the solids 
were below trajectory. Could you discuss that for us what... how 
low was it, how much, how low were you on velocity. What was the 
effect and what means did you get compensation for it. 

TOM HOLLOWAY Well, let me talk about that starting at the back 
end of the question. First of all, the performance of the solids 
were well within the expected tolerances on the solids, but they 
appeared to be a little bit lower than what we call, nominal, or 

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normal. They did not Derform quite as well, apparently, as what 
we call nominal, hut thev were well withir, to use our language, 
the 3 siqma disoersions of what we expect our solids rockets tc 
do. They were low. The reason we reported to the crew was that 
it'could influence how they operate in some co ' ingency 
situations on down the line, had these cont ingencies occurred. 
Fortunately, they did not and the fact that the solids were a 
little low today, if thev indeed were, did not affect us in any 
way We achieved a quided MICO and from all aspects of STS-5 
solid rocket oerformance did not affect us at all. To wind that 
up, the actual oerformance of our solid rockets will have to wait 
analyses and when our post flight people get together and 
reconstruct the ascent and determine really how well thev did. 
There's a lot of factors that qo into that and we really don't 
know where our SRB's were yet, but they do apoear to have been a 
little bit low. 

Lynn Share, ABC. 

LYNN SHARE Tommv, a couple of things. First, when did you 

find out the President was qoing to call, and second, go you have 
any readinqs yet on the eye monitoring of Joe Allen on the 
ascent, the sensors. 

TOM HOLLOWAY Okav . Relative to the President's call, I was 
asked about an hour or an hour and a half before it occurred if 
we would accommodate such a call. We looked at the timeline and 
in light of the fact that the crew's activities were going very 
well, we selected that the particular pass which we had conducted 
it hapoend to be convienent with his schedule, and it was done. 
Relative to your first question, the data is on a recorder 
relative to the eye monftoring activities during ascent. I don't 
know that the surgeons have looked at those yet. As you heard on 
the air to groond, Joe did check out the equipment after we got 
on orbit at abojt 2 hours or so and the equipment is working verv 

Steve Cross CBS. 

STEVE CROSS (garble) 

Can you wait for the mike Steve. 

STEVE CROSS You said that everyone was feeling well. Does 
that mean that no one has experienced any motion sickness at all 
yet . 

TOM HOLLOW AY That is correct. 

"TEVE CROSS Is this a normal timeframe, or is that something 
that you look for a lUtle bit further down the road to feel the 
first symptom. 

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TOM HOLLOWAY Well, motion sickness is a variable phenomena and 
it depends on the individual, so T can't answer your question to 
be honest with you. It varies a qreat deal and, who knows, but 
it looks like this crew, all 4 of them, are off to a very qood 
start and I'm hopeful that we won't have any motion sickness. 


SAM ALT. IS How automatic is the ejection process this 

afternoon for SRS 3. T mean is it, is the mission specialist 
qoinq to press 1 button and then everythinq happens after that or 
is there a lonq detailed procedure that has to occur. 

TOM HOLLOWAY Well, it's somewhere in between the two extremes 
of what you mentioned. He doesn't punch 1 button and then a 
series of activities accomplish, out out the pams, but on the 
other hand, it's not a lonq detailed set of strenuous set of 
procedures that he has to accomplish either. So, it's somewhere 
between the two extremes of what you're talking about. It's 
something that I would consider a reasonable activity for a quy 
to do on-orbit. 


MAX RISLEY What was the water spray boiler messaqe they 

qot . Is that the same old problem that seems to have cropped up 

on almost every one of these fliqhts? Was it freezinq over. 

TOM HOLLOWAY No sir. Tt was not. Our water spray boilers are 
in qood health. They did well. They did not freeze. We had 
absolutely no problems and apparently all of our problems with 
water spray boilers relative to freezinq have been solved. We 
did have a failure of a transducer that failed off scale low and 
caused us to qet a messaqe, but that has no impact on the fliqht 
or the functioninq of the water spray boiler. 

MAX RISLEY In other words, the failure was in the instrument 

that would indicate it rather than in the device itself. 

TOM iiOLLOWAY Yes sir. 


PAT DOLIN There was an air to qround communication about 

patchy data from Dakar. Apparently somethinq with telemetry. 
Could you explain that? 

TOM HOLLOWAY Well, our first pass over Dakar was not very qood, 
and it was described by the people who confiqure the network and 
make sure we have data as being patchy and intermittant and 
frankly, I do not know the cause of that yet. We did not have 
solid telemetry over Dakar durinq the first pass. 

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STEVE COLEMAN, KIKK RADIO here in Houston. Did visual or other 
contact occur between the Columbia and Soviet Saluid Space 
Station this morninq? 

TOM HOLLOWAY Mot that I know of. 

There's nothinq reported. This qentleman here. 

ANDY CHAKEN , SCIENCE DIGEST I heard 1 air to qround exchange 
about some white material flappinq off behind the ohms pods from 
Joe Allen. Can you talk about that at all. 

TOM HOLLOWAY Yes sir. We believe that's the same phenomena 
that we have observed on previous fliqhts. More pronounced on 
fliqht 4 than on fliqhts 1, 2, and 3. We believe that it's the 
lox venting, the normal activities of venting the liquid oxygen 
out the main enqines and is completely ncrmal . 


TOM HOLLOWAY No it is not part of the tiles nor part of the 
ohms pod, or so on or so forth. We believe it's frozen lox 
that's coming out the back of the main engines. 


PAUL RESER Yes, I hate for your colleague to escape without 

confronting a question. On the CRT 2, is the problem with that a 
phenomena from the computer itself or an artifact of the screen? 

Well, it really appears to be an artifact of the 
screen. The crew has 4 CRT's onboard with which they monitor the 
data processing system and 1 of those screens, one of the forward 
screens has failed on them and they're no longer able to use that 

PAUL RESER Okay. But that failure is not associated in any 
way with any of the computers onboard then. 

That's affirmative. 

TOM HOLLOWAY I sure appreciate you asking that question. I 
wanted Erni to have a question to answer. 



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CARLOS BYERS Erni, I'll toss you another one. Is there any 
possibility or practicality in the crew changinq out the screen? 

Yes there is and we're lookinq in that 
direction. We had a nroblem not exactlv like this hut something 
similar on STS-2 in which the crew decided that in order to qet 
all 3 of their forward CRT's, which thev prefer to have for 
entry, they did chanqe out that CRT with the aft CRT, which is 
basically not usable during the entry phase and we may opt to do 
that same thinq here. 

TOM HOLLOWAY So later in the flight after the deploy activities 
are over and most of the on-orbit work where we use the CRT in 
the back, we will, assuming the situation remains the same, we'll 
he thinkinq about makinq that, doinq that inflight maintenance 
and moving the back CRT up front. 


PAT DOLIN Again on the CRT. noes the loss of that CRT 

restrict in any way the information available to the crew? 

No sir. He can qet the same information from the 
other 1 CRT's that are still usable. 


PAUL RESER Given normal mechanical ability, how lonq would it 

take to switch out the aft CRT. 

We believe it takes 45 minutes to switch it out 
and 10 minutes to check it out after it is switched out. 


LYNN SHARE You said that there's no material that they wil' 

be missing by not having that screen. Is there anything in terms 
of deployment of the satellite that makes it more awkward for 
them. I mean, my understanding is the CRT is in front of the 
pilot. Is that right? The one that's qone . Is there anything 
that just makes it awkward in terms of who's sitting where and 
what they're doing at what time. 

I think ordinally for the payload operations they 
would use the aft CRT anyway, which is operational and that's why 
we'll delay any inflight maintenance until later in the fliqht 
after they've done the payload activity. So I think the answer 
is no, I don't think it would cause a problem. 

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TOM HOLLOWAY Remember Lynn, we have 3 CRT's, one on the left, 
one in the center, and one on the riqht and I expect the pilots 
will remain in the name position they always have and Boh will 
use the center CRT '.or what he normally does. 


REX RISLEY Did thev leave any tiles on the beach this time? 

TOM HOLLOWAY I've not received a report vet from the Deople who 
do the walk down and look to see if there's any tiles on the 
beach. The base on the reports that we have received from the 
Deople '■■ o look at the television and also from the flight crew, 
I believe that all the tiles are onboard the Columbi--. . 

Okay. The gentleman back here. 

DAN CHIPPERO, NEWSWEEK MAGAZINE I don't know if you've already 
dealt with this question in a prior briefing, hut why was the 
decision made to drop the autoland and when was that arrived at? 

TOM HOLLOW AY I don't remember the date that NASA management 
decided to drorj the autoland. It was something like 4 or 5 weeks 
ago, and if you'd like to know the time,. PAO can get that date 
for you. Relative to the autoland question of why was it 
dropDed, let me talk about autoland for about 30 seconds and then 
I'll answer your question. Autoland, before one gets ready to do 
an autoland, he ouqht to have 2 thinqs goinq for him. First, he 
ouqht to have a system that is absolutely confident in that it 
will work and it's tested, and he's ready to go do it. And 
secondly, he ouqht to have a takeover criteria in case it harspens 
to not work, that the oilot can take over from the auto system 
and go land the airplane manually. Now, we decided not to do the 
autoland because of a little concern in the second area. We are 
confident that the autoland system would work should we need 
it. We're a little concerned at this point in the program, 
particularly in ho* we have trained and how our traininq systems 
have performed and we're a little concerned about the pilot's 
ability to takeover the last 100 feet or so when thinqs are 
happening very, very fast and for that reason, NASA manaqement 
decided it was not time to do autoland in Shuttle. 

Okay. We'll take about 2 more questions from 
Houston and then we'll switch to Kennedy, no we have any further 
questions here? 

We'll switch to Kennedy. 

ROY NRAL Tommy, I have 2 questions for you if I may. First of 
all, what is NORAD advise you as to the time of closest approach 
to the Salud 7 and auestion number 2, can you qive us a 
reasonable descriDtion of what video to expect on the SBS deploy? 


TOM HOLLOWAY Rov , your question on the closest approach to the 
qoluirt, T don't have anv data on that. I'm sure it's up there 
and we must be cominq close to it. sometimes, but T really don t 
know when that is and it doesn't affect our operation. We re not 
concerned about recontact with it or anything like that so T 
haven't been involved in keeping up with our time of closest 
appraoch. And you second question, you're qoinq to have to 

ROY^NFAL All riqht. Question number 2 deals with what can 

wo expect in the way of video on the SBR deploy this afternoon? 

TOM HOLLOW AY Relative to realtime, we'll not have any video 
when it happens. If all goes well, we will dump the video taoe 
at Hawaii after the deploy and that's some 4S, about 4S minutes 
after the actual deploy, we'll dump the video of the deploy and 
it will be available. 


REG TRAMMEL I wonder if v™ could help us a bit about the 
private medical conference. Was this at the request of the crew 
and assuming that nobody's space sick onboard, can you give us 
any general quidanoe as to what it miqht be about? 

TOM HOLLOW AY Private medical conferences are scheduled 
routinely evervdav durinq manned spaceflights and as such, trie 
surqeon and the pilots and MS's have opportunity to confer with 
the surgeons and advise them of the state of their health, and 
that's iust what it is, a private medical conference between the 
patient and his doctor. As I've already indicated this morning, 
at this present time the crew is in good health and there s no 
report of any problems at all in this fliqht. One more and, we 
will do a private medical conference everyday and regardless of 
the state of health of the flightcrew. We will accomplish it 
everyday even if they're still feelinq just as qood as they are 
right now. 

DAVE DOLIN, HUNTSVILLF. TIMES I have 1 questions for you 
Tommy. First off, are any of the crew now on Scopedex? 

TOM HOLLOWAY Yes, they are. All except one and I believe Rob 
Overmyer did not. 

DAVE DOLIN Okay, secondly, how broad was (qarble) 

TOM HOLLOWAY ...all 4 of them did. I'm sorry. One took it on 
the pad and the other 3 after ohms 1 which has been our previous 
fliqht procedure. All 4 have administered Scopedex. 

DAVE DOLIN Okay. On the matter of the ascent trajectory 

beinq a little bit low. What was the maximum divergence from the 
planned trajectory? 

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TOM HOLLOWAY I don't have that exact data. In terms of the 
™nd o f ou, olotboards over in the Control Center, it was not a 
larae deviation and really not anything that I personally got 
excited about. We were depressed because of the headwinds and in 
addition it became obvious that we had at least a sma ' 
oerformance problerr, as the ascept went on, but not anything to 
worry about. 

DAVR DOLT N Okav, finally, this, T heard secondhand but did I 

understand someone correctly sav that Joe Allen was nmninq 
around usinq his bare feet to help grasp thmqs and stay m place 
in the cabin? 

TOM HOLLOW AY Well, I think that 

comment that in his b.r. feet it was easy to u,e t he foot 
restraints and attach himself to vanour. fixtuit-.o in 


Hi 11 Lonor , He made 

t was e 

pacecraft, and I'm not sure he 
.comment just to get us to chuckle. 

Are there any further 

TOM HOLLOWAY I've been told that our closest approach to Salad 
7 was at launch plus 4 hours. 

Okav. We'll 90 to Marshall now for questions. 
Are there any questions? 

Somebody mentioned something about a headsup 

in use of the CRT? 

(garble) Could you ask them to repeat it and up 

their volume? 

Someone mentioned something about a headsup 
display in conjunction with the landing procedures, the l»ndinq 
operation in STS-6. Is that headsup display something n-w Doe- 
it have to do with holloqraphic technology, holloqrapnic visiplav 
that's transferring CRT information so that the Commander can 
pile up this display while looking at the runway of the appraoch. 

TOM HOLLOWAY The headsup display i s not a new thing in the 
Shuttle. There are headsup displays in airolanes f ying all over 
the world todav . Relative to Shuttle, fliqht 6 will be the 
first, and 099 will be the first vehicle when we have a headsup 
display. As far as describing what it is, it's a diso ay system 
that puts the certain critical information, par t vcular ly 
associated with the landing, on a lens screen for the pilot such 
that he doesn't have to take his eyes off the scene, out the STS- 

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window vi 'W to have available also other information that 
normally ho would have to go heads in to a pilots language to 
obtain so he can continue to look out the window during the 
critical landing nhase and have data such as altitude and 
velocity and soon and so forth, available to him and maintain 
his visual on what's qoinq on out the window. So, STS-6 and 
Challenger will be our first flight with the Shuttle headsup 
displays but they are used in many other airplanes throughout th 
world today. 

Okay. We'll come back to Houston and see if we 
have anv final questions. PAT DOT, IN. 

P ' T DOLIN More on Salud 7. Was the crew instructed to look 

for Soluid 7 as it oassed? That's part 1 and part 2, do we tal< 
to the Russians before launch inc in order to tell them that we 
are planning a trajectory that would come close to one of their 

TOM HOLLOWAY No, the crew was not informed of the closest 
appraoch to this particular vehicle that belongs to the Russians 
and routinely we do not do that for any of the other spacecraft 
that are in orbit or in some cases, junk that is in orbit. 
Relative to vour first question, no not as it relates to the 
business of being in orhit and flying around in the vicinitv of 
their spacecraft. 


MAX RTSLRY On this mission, they did away with the pressure 

suits at launch, but I was just wonder inq, what sort of a 
headgear did they out on when fch«?y got- in' Was it lust like what 
a fighter pilot would wear or what? 

TOM HOLLOWAY It's called a launch and entry helmet and it's 
very similar to the helmet that's worn on too of the election 
suit. Take the ejection ~uit off and look at it and it looks 
very similar to ejection suit helmet, and it is a hard back with 
a visor and so on and so forth. 

MAX RISLEY But it doesn't attach to anything. There's no 

ring to attach it to on the (qarble) 

TOM HOLLOWAY No, it is a he '.met and it does have a oxygen hose 
so if we have contamination in the c?.bin and a face mask, they 
could get a 100 percent oxygen durirq ascent and entry. 


LOU ALEXANDER Concerning that small leak in the RCS that was 
reported before launch, does that have any minute affect on 
either the roll pitch or yaw on the speed of the spacecraft? 

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TOM HOLLOWAY No sir, and I ™ight add that at this time , there 
is no leak in the RCS . It's healed itself and all is well. 

no we have anv other questions. No other 
questions. We'll close it. See you folks tomorrow. 

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JOHN COX Good evening, this is the type of change of shift 

briefinq that I think anybody would enjoy. NASA has probably 
established several new firsts today, we had a beautiful launch 
early this morninq, and we had another beautiful launch this 
afternoon with the SBS payload into orbit and it's well on it s 
way now to qeosynchronous orbit and as far as we know, doinq all 
the qood thinqs. The crew had a very good day today, they stayed 
on the timeline all day, as a matter of fact, it seemed 1 ike they 
were orobably runninq a little bit ahead most ot the day. Start 
of the shift we finished cleaninq up all of the things from the 
oost-iauneh phase and qot the Orbiter systems confiqured. We got 
into the IMU alignments, we did a couple of those today, and we 
wer p riqht on the money, which again supported the good attitude 
at deploy. The auxiliary power units, the cooling went fine on 
thos<=>, this flight had none of the problems that we've seen in 
the past, so we look suoer. As far as the deploy activities go, 
we do several computation cycles. And those computation cycles 
went perferMly, we exchange information with the payload 
operations control center, the deltas that came back between 
cycles where we would update with new trajectory information were 
so small that they were virtually insignificant. We went ahead 
and made all the changes, got the information up to the crew in 
olenty of time, and they went about and performed a beautiful, 
deoloy and I hope everybody's had a good opportunity to see the 
downlink TV we had from that, both the live and the dump TV, that 
was very impressive. The crew is all feeling fine, they seem to 
be, everv one of them, in super spirits. You could probably tell 
that throuqh the conversations today, there is quite a jubilant 
attitude onboard. Towards the end of the day we did manaqe to 
activate the Get Away Special, we performed a CO AS calibration, 
but probahlv, we'll be repeating that one. It had a very light 
star that we used, and we looked like we picked up a little more 
air in the alignment than we thouqht, so we're going to go back 
and repeat that one until we get it right. We've had an initial 
report from the people to look at, see if we have any water on 
the tiles, since that was the big issue last fliqht. Virtually 
you have none, and there is attitude requirements to do anything 
with that now. The pad walkdown has been completed and no 
Orbiter tile debris has been picked up anywhere, so all in all it 
looks like we've just had a fantastic day. I'll take any 

PAO Okay, before we get started with questions for 

purposes of identification, Dr. John Cox, Fliqht Director on the 
Orbit Team j>""t speaking. On his left is Bill Comerford, Launch 
and Orbit Systems Director for Satellite Business Systems. On 
your far left is Michael W. Hawes, Payloads Controller on the 
Orbit Team. Bill, did you have anything you wanted to say, or do 
you want to just wait for questions. 

COMERFORD Well, no I would just really like to say thinqs 
went beautifully for us. It was better than you could hope for, 


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loc'it .-,efiO n imher that war, rwri down, folks will he looking 
at that ' Thoy did indicate that it war. only a chip and we don't 
exoect t«jt to he any .concern. In previous flights we've lost 
mo ; 0 ti'e th->" that in those a rear? and we've had no problem at 
all" I think in previous M iqhts they turned out to be cases 
w v,cre they w<»r» dired tile and what not, and they had chipped as 
a result of the way they were assembled. I don't know what the 
case ir, this time, hut we certainly have no concern over that. 

JOHN OISNFY RKO Gentlemen, I realize it has probably been a 
lonq day for vou , but nobody seems to terribly excited about the 
historical implications of this. The Shuttle has finally shown 
that it can do what it's suppose to do. noes anyone want to 
address what you've done today in a milestone way? 

~OX I believe that NASA today stepped out and did 

something that we've been building for, for a lonq time. Ever 
since we came up with the Shuttle system, we've finally gone 

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oper it- ional , and if we look not excited that sure is not the way 
wo wore in the Control Center. If you had any idea in there that 
th-,t dUi.v war, rinqinq with hiqh emotion and exciement. Mavbe wo 
should do it all. again and playback the video several timer, to 
relive it. It was so oxcitinq. 

PISNEY We're gonna do it all over aqain tomorrow anyhow 


COX And we'll qet one more chance tomorrow. No, T 

think that we've started a new era. We've now shown that the 
government organization that everyone knows an NASA is now going 
to the service end where we can now nut up sate 1 1 ites or do 
things at. customer desires*. We're not. exactly one-hundred 
percent paying for this right now with the monov we're takinq in, 
but it says that we're headed in that direction. It's been a 
long haul, it kind of looks 1 i ke the concept works. Dealing with 
the customers has been a verv pleasant operation. Things have 
gone verv well on that end. This new set of customers that we've 
flown at this time probably can tell us a lot how that interface 
went and how hard it was to work with this group of folks, but I 
think all in all, its been a positive and enjoyable experience, 
we're all very happy, pleased with what has finally turned out 
and looking forward to many, many more of these. 

PAO Okav, on the isle. 

JOHN' KIR^Y CM 12, SAN ANTONIO I was wanting to follow up on 
that, if you considered this Columbia's best dav in space? 


Cox I would say so. From our point of view, you know 

usually when you come in for a handle on a launch day there's a 
bunch of little transducers that may have broke or something. 
Today, there was nothing. I mean, it was just the most perfect 
nominal day as far as getting into orbit was concerned We got 
up there, went right about our business and the satellite 
deployment went flawlessly through customers that have to second 
bet. Th<it went, that was just super. 
PAO Jules Bergman, front row up here. 

JULES BERGMAN ABC John, would you say, I don't want to get you 
to say again what you just said, but in my mind the historic 
thing about today was that the Shuttle did, did the Shuttle today 
real ly go operational? 

JOHN COX We feel so. This was our first operational flight 

and'we did exactly what we intended to do. It was beautiful. So 
the answer to your question in one word is yes. I think it you 
want to look at what the whole operational envelope is of the _ 
program, each flight that you'll see over the next succeeding b 
or 10 flights will continually build upon what we just 
accomplished. The flights will get more complex and, I would say 
by the time we finish the space lab flight and the solar max 
repair flight, you will then see what a fully operational Shuttle 
i s . 

JULES BERGMAN What I was also getting at, John, was the learning 
curve from the test flights. Smooth countdown, smooth ontime 
launch, does this prove NASA can really do it when it says it can 
do it? 

JOHN COX We've always felt that that was the case and I 

feel that every flight ought to be this way. You never can 
predict any of those small instances that may occur during a 
prelaunch count. There's a lot of things that have to go 
right. But that's the way it's supposed to be. If you had to 
write the textbook, we did it that way today. 

PAO Back behind there. 

DAN SHAPIRO NEWSWEEK MAGAZINE I have a technical question 
Some point today Lenoir was heard to say, "Hey Mike, tell Woody 
the jalapenos are outstanding up here". Who is Woody, and what 
was he tal king about? 

JOHN COX (laughter) I suspect he has a place he likes to 

eat that is good for jalapenos. 


PAO Paul Reecer AP. 

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PAUL REECER AP Could you review for us the difficulty that you 
had with the gas and how that difficulty was overcome? 

JOHN COX That is, what we had there was a case where we 

i!ave two payloads that we call standard switch pane s tha are 
available for any payload configuration for any flight. It so 
happens that the SBS and the AN I K payloads use a standard switch 
panel for the switch activities that support the deployment, and 
then we have another panel in there that supports some other 
equipment. It so happens that that other pa ne 1 , t hat ot he r 
standard switch has been carried on some previous fl ghts like 
last flight, flight 4. That's where the gas hookup is located. 
The panels are originally machined to look Identical and it so 
happened that when they did the overlay that put the 1 b e on 
each one of the switches they put a gas label on the sim Jar 
switch gas being the getaway special. Cn the s i ml 1 ar switcn on 
?he SBS Tel esat panel and that's where the c rew wen t f r t to 
plug in to that one. We caught ourselves with just a labe • 
There was nothing behind there when they plugged in, so fl] they 
had to do was get back over to the right panel and everything 
worked fine. 

PAUL REECER Were the instructions that they had in the manual 
onboard also incorrect? 

JOHN COX They would lead you to believe that you were 

supposed to plug in where the gas location was. 

PAUL REECER So in effect they found s :ess by not following 
the instructions? 

JOHN COX Right, and we caught ourselves on that one. 

PA0 Back over here, Joyce. Did you have a followup? 

Go ahead. 

BERGM AN I wanted to ask Mr. Comerford, if I'm pronouncing 

the name correctly. 

MR. COME R FORO That's good. 

BERGMAN When is the apogee burn that puts it into a 

22,300 mile circular geosync stationary orbit? 
JOHN COX It's planned for fifth apogee which is about 5 

p.m. Saturday afternoon. 

BERGMAN 5 p.m. our time Saturday afternoon? 

JOHN COX Extern time, I forget, we're here 1n Houston, 

eastern time, that's an hour different. 

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BERGMAN And is that being done out of here? 

JOHN COX No. Soon as we launch the Shuttle, operational 

control of the spacecraft shifted to our launch control center in 
Washington D.C., and in fact during the mission we have a fairly 
strong team of engineering support there that we use, but after 
we leave the Shuttle it all shifts to that engineering team. In 
fact, all the people that are down here supporting our launch 
will travel, and many of them have already left to go back to 
Washington. We have a lot of activities particularly in the 
first transfer orbit first revolution, and after we fire the 
option motor we have some very complicated maneuvers and 
deployments to perform which would be done Monday and Tuesday. 
It all depends on the orbit though, it could be depending on how 
the orbit parameters turn out, it could be the 4th apogee or 3rd 
apogee or 7th apogee, but nominally it'll be fifth. Everything 
looks nominal so far, it's probably when it's going to happen. 

BERGMAN Do you know yet what perigee geosync orbit you've 

achi eved? 

JOHN COX We're taking ranging data now to determine the 

orbit and it'll probably take us through the night before we get 
a good fix on the orbit. 

PAO Way back over there. 

DOUG MILLER KTRH Did you folks learn any lessons today from 

the deploy of the satellite that you can apply tomorrow, or did 

everything go hunky dcry and didn't learn a thing out of it? 

JOHN COX There's one general observation I think we can 

make. We saw some in the training. A 4-man crew is extremely 
effective. You can take a complicated task which this was not 
very complicated. It does require 4 people to be busy, but not 
overly so. 8ut we have found that they were able to, on launch 
day stay on the timeline, go right to work and deploy satellite 
right out of the shoot, that was super. And I think as far as 
that is concerned tomorrow we'll work out much the same way, even 
if there is some extra work or activities that we would want them 
to do which currently aren't scheduled. We from time to time do 
that. The planning team is working tonight and will come up with 
any changes that they might come up with for tomorrow's flight 
plan. But even if asked to do something extra the crew can 
probably handle it and that's one of the advantages of a 4-man 
team. As far as for itself, I think it went r1g h t on the money 
and Mike or 8111 might want to elaborate if they thought there 
were any extra things as far as the payload specific activities 
are concerned. 

I don't think there's anything particular that we 
would try to apply to tomorrow's deployment that we went just as 

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we had planned to go, everything followed the checklists and all 
of the procedures. As John said we learned a lot of things about 
our timeline and that we can easily fit in the time that we have 
allotted and we'll probably take a look at that in evaluating 
just how we're going to fly two very similar spacecraft on the 
7th flight. 

PAO Any other questions. Over, back over here. Dan 

Sha pi ro , 

DAN SHAPIRO Has there been any analysis yet of the data sent 
down from Allen's sensors on the eye muscles? 

JOHN COX I don't believe there's been any inflight analysis 

on that and I don't believe anybody intends to make any 
inflight. The data has been received though, did verify that. 
Did get calibration data on it, and so the data is coming in 
good . 

DAN SHAPIRO And also, is there still no air sickness, motion 
sickness rather, reported by the crew? 

JOHN COX That's what we've been told. Absolutely, no 

problem at all and you can tell by their spirits everybody is up, 
so it sounds really good. 

PAO Jules 

JULES BERGMAN Did they take any premedication, John? 

JOHN COX All four of them took Scopedex. One of them took 

medication prelaunch, and that was Joe, I believe, and the rest 
of them took them after we achieved orbit. 

JULES BERGMAN So you wouldn't expect air sickness or space 
sickness, to correctly term it. 

JOHN COX Well, if you can correlate exactly 100« that 

taking Scopedex prevents motion sickness, that would be one 
thing. But we haven't exactly demonstrated that that has that 
high a correlation anyhow. But nobody has a problem today. 

PAO Any other questions. Okay, I understand there're 

no questions from any place else. I trust the President will 

excuse our preempting his press conference which began about 6 
minutes ago. Thank you all for coming. 


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PAO Good morning, welcome back. Thank you for 

coming. The Flight Director, Tommy Holloway, just finished his 
second shift in the Mission Operations Control room and let me 
turn this over to Tommy and let him tell you about it. 

TOMMY HOLLOWAY Well, again, welcome. Last 8 hours have been 
very calm over in Control Center. Last evening the crew 
apparently slept well throughout the eveninq. The spacecraEt has 
continued" to operate perfectly for all Dractical purposes. This 
morning we executed a flight plan and performed all the 
activities as they were scheduled, the most notable one being the 
resert burn that eventually placed us in 160.1 by 160.5 nautical 
mile orbit. We're all set up to deploy the tail side 
communication satellite this afternoon and ... 


TOMMY HOLLOWAY Okay. Use the right wordr,. And we expect to do 
that on time as scheduled in the crew activity plan. The crew is 
again today performing very well and appear to be in good health 
and in good condition and, certainly, they are, are still excited 
about the work that they're doing and are running right on 
schedule in terms of all of their activities. And with that I'll 
open it up for questions. 

PAO Wayne Dultrafino. 

WAYNE DULTRAFINO You mentioned the crew slept well. I was 
curious, I didn't hear it, I was curious if you know where they 
slept - how they worked out the sleeping arrangements overnight. 

TOMMY HOLLOWAY I honestly don't know where the crew slept. I 
talked to them before the flight and asked them where they most 
likely would sleep and they'll start off with the Commander and 
Pilot upstnirs probably in the seats and the MS's down the stairs 
perhaps and then they'll migrate from there until they find a 
comfortable place. Mavbe they'll tell us in day or so where 
they're sleeping. 

WAYNE DULTRAFINO One more. That master alarm which apparently 
just went off for a second or two, did we ever figure out what 
that was or was that just a fluke. 

TOMMY HOLLOWAY Yes sir, as a matter of fact we did and it's a 
perfectly normal situation that occurs when a, under a rare 
circumstances when a certain situation occurs : i the pressure 
control system. What's going on is we have a situation where the 
system is asking for flow of N2 and right in the middle of that 
flow it switches to 02 and the pressure range between those two 
systems is 100 PSI different. And so when we switch, it caused 
the master alarm and we're thinking about changing the limit so 

STS-5 CfiANHE-OF-SH I FT BRIEFING p003ja 11/12/8? 9: SOam Page 2 

.1 happen aqai 


TOMMY HOLLOW AY Yos , a warning. Bill Lenoir 
venting sounds and we believe that was the in 
N2 or the 02 into the cabin that was going on at that time, 
have been outflow qoinq out of tho wot trash baq which we v 
overboard. But whatever it was, w«?' re confid.nt that, it ir, 
normal situation. 




pi. vis 

LYNN SHERR Two things, Tommy, 

significance to what Joe described 
with the glowing or whatever it was 
He was talking about seeing some k: 
luminousness. What was that? 

as seeinq duri 
when the jets 
nd of odd colo 

but wo have a phenomena as 
glow around the spacecraft 
a matter fact, the gl 

try to photograph thi: 
ome kind' of interacti 
we fly around in space. Maybe w 
n the experiment that's scheduled la 

ot sure we know i 

eiated with soacecraft that we have 
nder certain physical conditions and, 
experiment which you 

that we're going 
flight. Probablv 



between the oxygen 
11 find out more about 
r in the f 1 ight. 


It's nothing 


One more. 

issed it before 


LYNN SHERR Just one more thing. Perhaps 

but, is this the first time that the PAO's, John or Tommy, are 
referring to the CAPOOM as a spacecraft communicator. Has that 
name officially been changed or did I miss it earlier? 

PA 0 No, it hasn't been officially chanqed. T guess, 

in the strictest sense, we're not operating with a capsule 
anymore and we still call him CAPCOM so but... 



STS-5 OH ANGE-OF-SH T FT BRIEFING pOCHja U/U/R2 9:50am Page 3 

PAO But I don't think there's anything moan i ngf u.l in 

there. Somebody mav have just said, like a slip of the tongue, 
and called him a spacecraft communicator hut we knew what we mean 

HOLLOW AY In fact it sounds like a better name to me. 

PAO Mavbe I can do something about that. Anybody have 

anythinq else here in Houston. Olive? Okay, we'll get to you. 

STKVK CRAWFORD, CRS How did the, were there any problems with 
the student experiments thin morning that were activated? 

TOMMY HOLLOWAY Absolutely none, and they were all done on time 
and are pretty close to on time and the MS 1 s reported that they 
were all completed or at least started. You know some of them 
are scheduled for later follow on the work so on and so forth, 
but those things that were scheduled today were done. 

STEVE CRAWFORD, CBS I have one more question. Throughout the 
shuttle development, there have been critics who've said that 
this is not qoinq to be that easy to launch satellites because 
the shuttle can't qo into geocynch r on i s orbit and all kinds of 
criticisms in that area and was going to be a real competitive 
threat in the future and was qaininq on the United States. In 
last, in view of the Aerians last flight and in view of your 
success yesterday, how do you see that race to commercially 
develop space. 

TOMMY HOLLOWAY Well, we certainly believe in the Shuttle as a 
launch vehicle and as a launch vehicle that will get us in low 
earth orbit and provide the opportunity for our customers using 
their own vehicles to carry on and go to qeocync from that 
point. And in fact, that's what, the French rocket also does. It 
simply delivers to a certain orbit and then the Deriqee kick 
motor and the apogee kick motor qoes on from there. We're 
confident that the orbiter is on schedule in terms of becoming 
the launch vehicle that it was built to do and, as we qo on, 
these briefings will be shorter and shorter. 

QUERY. do you think the tlnited States has established a 

substantial lead in this area? 

TOMMY HOLLOWAY Well, I don't know that we're in space race with 
the French folks. I'm sure both of these vehicles will serve a 
pupose and as we go forward from here and the total world's 
business's in outerspace. But I'm cure the orbiter will fulfill 
its planned responsibilities in the RO's and 90's in terms of 
delivering commercial and other spacecrafts to orbit that we plan 
to do. 

STS-5 CHANGK-OF-SHIFT BRIKF TNG p003ja 11/12/82 9: r >0am Page 4 

p An Olive Tally riqht hero from UPI. Riqht in front 

of Mar qa ret. 

01, 1 VP TALLY UPI Yesterday, Bill Lenoir called Mike down at the 
control room and said, "Hey, Mike tell Woody the jalaponos are 
outr.tandinq". Have we figured out yet who he was refemnq to 
and secondly, are thev oatinq ialapenor, in space? 

TOMMY HOLLOWAY I don't know, really know the answer to that 
question. I'm sure Bill was referrinq to one of his favorite 
places in the local area in terms of, and I don't know whether 
he, whether we have some of those on board or not, but I don't 
think so. 

OLIVK TALLY UP I As a follow up to that, have we qot any reports 
of space sickness lately? 

TOMMY HOLLOWAY No, not at all at this time. 
PAO Riqht here. 

REED COLLINS CBS Have they taken any medication whatever? 

STS-5 CHANGE-OF-SHIFT BRIEFING p003jb 1 1/1 2/82 9:50 am PAGF, 1 

HOI'OWAY Yes wo took all four crewmen, took the scopedoxs as 

planned. One, T believe, Joe Allen, lust before liftoff, and the 
other three crewmen were scheduler! to take it, and I presume took 
scopedexs right after OMS 1 and same time frame that the guys 
have taken it previous flights take it. 

QUF.RY Since then. 

HOLLOW AY Since then? Not to my knowledge. Normally, I 

would know but we have not had any further communications on that 
and at this time I don't, maybe tomorrow I'll qive you an update 
on i t. . 

p*0 We'll take one more question here in Houston, then 

we'll go to Kennedy Space Center, Paul Recer. 

rpCER Have you qot the same number of folks working on 

the 'noor, the MOOR - , and in the back rooms that you did during 
the first four fliqhts? And if there has been a reduction, by 
how many? 

HOLLOW AY At this time, we have approximately the same number 

workinq, both out in the mocker and in the SSRs. There may be a 
few less, for example, on flight I we had a command officer. And 
between flight 1 and flight c > that function has been assumed by 
the INCO, the communications officer. So we may have 1 or 2 
less, but hy and large our support at this state is still the 
same, the number of people who are in the control center. Now 
later in the program, and I can't tell you just when, I've been 
concentrating on the first four or five flights so far, have not 
been involved in the long range planning. That's going to be 
reduced substantially. But right now, it's about the same. 

PAO We'll take some questions from the other centers 

and then come back here to Houston. First to Kennedy Space 
Center, Florida. 

This is Redqe Turner, BBC There was an exchange earlier and I 
didn't get it properly, but it seemed to imply that there was 
concern that some of ANIK solar cells might have been damaged. 
Can you tell us whether that is the case? 

HOLLO WAY I don't believe there's, we've had any concern 

about damaging any of the ANIK solar cells. We have had some 
concern about the thermal state of the ANIK spacecraft and the 
PAM system that supports it. In summary that is a little concern 
about the temperature of those vehicles and not about the solar 
cell. The folks who do the thermal analysis were predicting that 
under the worst kind of conditions, we might be right on the 
border of getting a little colder then we would like to be before 
we deployed the ANIK spacecraft. And that's turned out not to be 

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the case. The AN IK spacecraft is, in thermally.- is in vorv good 
condition and we don't expect to have any problem-, alonq those 
lines . 

TURNER There's no reason why you shouldn't have another 

perfect launch. 

HOLLOWAV Hid he ask another question? 

PAO The answer is yes, there is no reason why we 

shouldn't have another perfect launch. 

HOLLOWAY That's absolutely correct. We're qoinq to do it 

again, just like yesterday. 

PAO Thank you, now to Marshall Space Fliqht Center, 


PAVE POOLING (HUNTSVILLE TIMES! First oft", have you been 
monitoring the helium pressure on the regulator that has given 
you a little bit of concern before launch. 

HOLLOWAY Yes, as a matter of fact, we continually monitor 

those systems. The RCR and the OMR systems, as far as pressures 
are concerned, and performance. And that regulator is performing 
exceptionally well,' it behaves just like a brand new one. 

DOOLING Okav, secondly, I believe I heard the public 

affairs commentator from in the MOCR earlier say that the AN IK 
deployment might be just a little bit earlier than in the mission 
timeline. Could you comment on that. 

HOLLOWAY If it is early, we're talking about a matter of 

seconds or minutes. We're not talking about deploying it at a 
different time of day or a different node. We may have a little 
bit of change in terms of seconds, but we don't have any change 
in the basic point around the world that we're going to deploy 
the ANIK. 

POOLING Okay, have there been anymore comments about the 

material, I believe it was white fuzzy material about the size of 
8 by 1 1 sheet of paper, after the OMS pod. 

HOLLOWAY No, we have not had any additional comments on 

that. And I would expect at this point it is probably stopped 
venting or flashinq out through the main enqines and I don't 
expect that we'll hear much more about it. 

STS-5 CHANGE-OP-SHTPT HRIRPING p003ib 11/12/82 9: SO am PAGE 3 

DOOLIN Okay, and final one. Did the crew provide any 

comments or feedback during the eye motion experiment that as 
conducted this morning? 

HOLLOWAY If I understood the question, relatively, eye 

motion experiment. The crew of course, have exercised portions 
of those experiments that were scheduled cl..- morning. They told 
us they were doing them, that told us when they were done, and so 
on and so forth. There's not any plans to evaluate that 
information in real time and do anything \.llh that data, as a 
relation to this f liqht. It's a data collection activity, and 
the results of that will have to wait post f liqht analysis. 

There are no further questions at Marshall. 

PAO Thank you, anything further here in Houston. 

Shelly Cats, way in the back, please. 

SHELLY CATS (TIME MAGAZINE) We had an unscheduled VTR dump 
this morn i nq , 'can we expect more of ...lose in a little bit of 
dialog on a what was done this morning? 

HOLLOW AY The activity that was dumped via VTR this morning 

was associated with a communications test that we conducted as we 
flew over the Eastern part of the United States. The vehicle was 
rotating at 2 degrees a second around the X axis to look at the 
antenna patterns as it switched from one antenna to the other. 
The crew had the television on during that time and recorded 
some, what they thought was interesting, television. The answer 
to the second Dart of your question, unschedule VTR playbacks, or 
real time TV, is the option of the flight crew based on the 
timeline, the availability of what they think might be 
interesting information for us on the ground. And it will be 
scheduled as a function of when they think they have something 
for us, and a station is available to dump it. And now would be 
a good time for me to correct something I said earlier. I must 
have said a French, something about the French's launch 
vehicle. That's really a ESSA launcher and not a French rocket, 
for the record. 

And no scheduled/unscheduled TV? 

in the world of scheduled TV, we're qoing to show 
the ANIK deployment on REV 23. over Hawaii, the crew will 
downlink at about 3:45 p.m. today, centeral time. 


Any further questions here in Houston, thank you. 

STS-5 CHANGE-OF-SHIFT BRIF.FING p004ja 11/12/82 5:50pm Page 1 

PAO Good evening. Thanks for coming toniqht. We've 

had another successful day in STS-5 on the second payload 
deployment. With us toniqht is the orbit team Flight Director, 
Dr'. John Cox, and hopefully showing up will be Robin Guby of 
Telesat Canada and the Payloads Controller from an orbit team 
Mike Hawes. John, why don't you run throuqh vour fliqht 1 oq 
there and we'll go from there. 

JOHN COX Okay, I'll run down now. A few of the events of 

tlK the shift today. Kind of all smiles in the Control Center. 
' ,? completed the primary jobs of this fliqht and everybody's just 
feeling super about it. The crew, the orbiter, the payload all 
had a qood'day. We've had another successful deploy. Going 
throuqh the items of the day. We did an aft station COAS CAT, at 
the beqinninq of the shift, it was durinq handover time. The 
star set before the crew was able to complete that CAT. and 
believe the data is orobably good enouqh to press on, but that's 
the backup item that' we use if, for any reason, we'd ever lost 
our star trackers, which we've never „ad any problems with them 
anyhow. But this is a crew alignment technique and we went ahead 
and tried it todav. We hadn't done it on previous flights. We 
had tempted it once before and it seemed to qo all right, but we 
may qo back and try a little more on that. We had some 
difficulty with the forward station COAS CAT. yesterday because 
we'd used too liqht a star with the crew to work with too much so 
we mav put that in tomorrow's flight plan to let them try that 
with a briqhter star and it looks like that'll probably go all 
right tomorrow. The crew started the medical DTOs, devoted some 
time to them this morning and, just exactly like we thought with 
them, thev take a whole lot longer than we had estimated. We 
never did qet a lot of time training with those, and so, the 
linear acceleration portion where the one crewmen is hooked up on 
bunqies and tries to sense accelerations, the crew was unable to 
get to that one today merely because the other ones, all the 
other medical DTOs or DSOs there workinq on, took a little 
lonqer. As far as the deploy went, what can you say. Deployment 
was beautiful, the pictures were beautiful. Another perfectly 
nominal. Yesterday, we thought we'd done pretty well. The 
tracking error at the time of deployment was estimated to be 
somewhere on the order of 400, 4500 feet which is almost 
something you can't measure. That's really down on the noise. 
And the attitude error at the time of deploy was something like 5 
or 6 hundredths of a rteqree. And yesterday, I think as you 
probably heard on the air to qround conversations, they picked 
the SBS satellite up beautifully at the very first tracking 
station and the PAM burner had gone off beautifully. Well today, 
didn't think we could do it but we cut that 4500 feet by a factor 
of 10 and knocked it down to 496 feet. Error deploy time in less 
than 4 hundredths of a degree attitude error and everythinq went 
clickinq riqht on throuqh. It appears that trackinq stations 
picked vehicles up as expected and out did ourselves from 
yesterday's great deploy. Some of the other items we are workinq 

STS-5 rHANGR-OF-Sl'.ItT RRP-IFINC pOO^a I : / 1 2/82 r >:50pm Page 2 

on today T think Tommy mentioned i the last hand over that we 
had a heater failure or suspected a ter failure on one of the 
aft RCS jets. Thev did a tost firinq earlier in the day to warm 
L- up and wp coi- a' ciood idea of what the cool down rate was on 
t^ jet and >--o ju^t 'prior to sloop tonight we did another one and 
fee 1 ' the jet'll be fine, will have no problem during the night. 
And as a matter of fact, that iet will be on the warm side since 
we hav> now started the starboards on attitude of the thermal 
testing. We did get the student experiments started today, the 
crystal growth and the sponae growth. And just prior to crew 
going to sleep tonight, we started the oxygen interaction test 
and that all seemed to go real well. 




go to quest i 

dy Chakon tor ... 
s, Andy, ves whatever, 
problem. The tracking err 

Back here, Mike. 

refers to the 

\'o , that ' 
ntly of whe 

in hec.i of down range tracki 
you 7, jght be down range. 

ANDY CHAKFN Okay. And, did you say that the alignment was off 
bv 4 1 hundredths or 1 4 hundredth of a degree? 

johm COS. .04 degrees. 

ANDY CHA.KKN .04. And one last thing. Can you talk about the 
cxvgcn interaction? 

JOHH COX Oh, I don't know what all you'd like to know about 

that, that's ... 

ANDY CHAKKN I lust don't know what it is. 

JOHN COX Okay, that's a test, that we have several d <=te: . .t 

material s;trios mounted out in the pay load bay. They're on tip- 
top of the DFI oallet. We've noticed on previous flights that 
organic materials tend to interact with, we suspect, oxyv-n 
molecules, and there's probably a temoet ature effect and , 's 
just a hypothesis right now, but ;t appears that some of * •■- 
material seems to be venting or outqassinq during this 
interaction. At least it's beinq consumed in some manner. It is 
very small amount , but it is measurable. So what we did, was 
took on this experiment some of the typical coatings and external 
materials that vou may find in space applications and there's 
probably 10, 40 r >0 different types of materials and theyjre 
spread out on several different panels. And then what we're 
doing is while we're in this starboard sun attitude, with the 

STS-5 CHANGE-OF-SHIFT BRIEFING p004ja 11/12/82 5:S0pm Page 3 

vehicle turned over sideways, and we will periodically be 
sweopinq throuqh the velocity vector and getting sort of a ram 
effect of whatever molecule;; are in the orbit. And we also have 
the different materials heated at different temperatures to see 
how if there is a temperature effect or what, what is the 
Phenomena that's takinq place. There's no inflight data from 
it. Somebody will analyze all the materials in return. 

PAO On up here, second row. 

PAUL (garble) Voice of America Has there been anv problem wit 
space sickness on this flight so far? 

JOHN COX Nothing that's had anv effect on the flight that 

we can tell or anything. 

OLIVE TALLY UPI We haven't heard any words of caution or 
problems about the waste management system on this flight. 

JOHN COX Isn't that great. That's super. 

OLIVE TALLY Have there been any problems and secondly,... 

JOHN COX Hasn't been a thing. 

OLIVE TALLY with general hab i tab i 1 i ty of the spacecraft. We 
heard a few references to peoDle bumping into each other, but has 
there been any big problem? Are people stenping on each others 
heads or anything like that. 

JOHN COX I don't, get your first one on the waste 

management system. It is a real pleasure not to have any 
comments on that. There have been some minor modifications made 
and there's been more training involved and what not, so we think 
that whole system is working a whole lot better and hopefully we 
won't hear anymore problems with that system. As far as crowded 
environment or any effect there, the only indication we've had is 
we did get, we suspect, a switch hump this morning and that was a 
circuit breaker that we ended up reseting and nobody could figure 
out any reason the data didn't show any current spikes or 
anything so maybe we guessed that maybe somebody bumped it and 
that's, the crew suggested that, that possibly that happened. 

PAO Paul Reese r, AP 

PAUL RECER Oh yes, you mentioned the crystal growth and the 
sponge growth student experiments. How about the third one? Has 
it already been started and if not, when will it be? And 
secondly, have you decided absolutely that you will in fact 
switch out CRT number 2 on bay 5? 

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JOHN COX Let mr get the CRT one first, and if you could 

look up one, let me start the other one. The TRM folks have 
tried to analyze the signature of the incident the crew reported, 
the CRT 2, and even though it looks like it was probably a power 
supply as from a crewmen;-' point of view on it, they think that 
the" display electronic-, unit which feeds that CRT is probably the 
item at fault and fchev think they've been able to duplicate the 
failure. So, we're sort of betwixt and between. We, it's going 
to be one or the other, and what we're looking at is Flight Day 5 
and we're coming up with a little procedure where we can do a 
quick test to tell, it involves pulling some panels and making a 
connector. And, that wav, we'll be able to tell which one is the 
one that's actually had the problem and then, based upon that, 
we'll probably qo ahead and swap out the either CRT or the DEU 
and they both take about the same amount of time. 

PAO Okay, Jules Bergman front row up here. 

JULES BERGMAN John, can you tell us where the crew is sleeping 
and secondly, beyond the obvious elation in thei" voices after 
the second deployment todav, 1 think I hoard Joe say 2. for 2 we 
deliver. What can you say about the crew's spirits? 

JOHN COX I think the crew's spirits are obviously just 

peaked. I mean you couldn't be any happier. That's been a big 
load. They've been training and working hard and here all the 
team too (garble) riqht there and two days of perfectly nominal 
deploys, they couldn't be any happier. And Joe's been pushing 
that we deliver theme and I think the whole team probably seconds 

JULES BERGMAN Wasn't it Rill who started that first yesterday, 
by the way. 

JOHN COX Yes, that's been a theme around for some time. 

Thinkinq of ourselves as the Shuttle and jokingly referring to 
ourselves as the trucking company that delivers some... 

JULES BERGMAN I was going to say almost like a trucking company 
or airline freight department. 

JOHN COX Right, and they feel so good about the way things 

went these last couple of days, you know, that it's just like a 

company motto is coming out in them - we deliver. 

JULES BERGMAN Is that likely to emerge as a loqo on the side of 
the next ShutHe? 

PAO Probably not. 


T don't think anybody's got that in working. 

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JUI.RS BKRGMAN And can you answer my first question, where are 
they sleeping? 

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JOHN COX we didn't ask. Probably would be and interesting 

question to ask them The intent was that the preflight, the 
commander and the pilot were going to sleep upstairs and the two 
mission specialists were going to find a place to call home 
downstairs. They were going to try also using different sleeping 
restraints and what not and we were going to find out sime time 
on the flight where they finally ended up. But we also know 
that, I think Rob was interested in looking at some places next 
to the DFI pallet downstairs, he felt like looked like a good 
place to try. So they're just trying, they've onlv had one night 
of it and we haven't had any feed back yet. 

CRAIG COVALT AVIATION WEEK John, I've got several question on 
the deployment. First is there anv way you can aquaint your 
ranging air with what you would qet off a delta on a typical 
error as a spring push off off the delta? 

COX I don't have those kind of numbers, but the kind of 
numbers that we're dealing with here. When you talk in terms of 
what you do to qet ready for an entry, or how acurate we have to 
have the IMUr, for different activities that the orbiter's 
associated with. These are one or two orders of magnitude 
better, in most cases. We'll take like a half a degree error as 
a max type of uoper end priority to fly an entry. You wouldn't 
want that kind of an error, but you would be able to fly a 
successful entry, and we're talkina 500s of a degree. 

COVALT You would at least know much better what your 

error was than a delta? 

COX Oh certainly, there isn't any question about it. 
COVALT And secondly, 

COX Just to give you an idea, we were able to see star data 
being acquired by the trackers, as we were doing this, so we 
could constantly get an idea of where we were, which was really a 
unique tool . 

COVALT Okay, and on the AN IK PAM burn, they're not 

carrying telemetry on the PAM, and I just wanted to make sure 
you. I heard it come out of the MOCR that you see at Guam, and 
confirm by Guam. Was that radar Guam, which showed that they 
were in proper position, successful burn? 

COX Yes, the TELESAT folks have a tracking station there that 
they used to acquire the spacecraft. And they were able to 
acquire the spacecraft, they weren't able to lock onto the 
telemetry signal yet, and you can see that, that they're looking 
probably right up the spin'axes of the system. So they weren't 
able to lock on the telemetry, but thev were able to find it, it 
was right exactly on time, and that had been a concern since they 

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have experienced some problems in the past, but this was riqht 
smack on the money. They expect us as they get a better anqle on 
it to pick up the telemetry signals. We also got a report in 
that NORAD was able to track two vehicles there, so we were able 
to confirm the fact that we dirt separate. And with the fact at 
the time that they were able to acquire you can pretty much 
conclude that the burn went as planned. 

COVALT And that was an RF siqnal at Guam instead of radar 

that they were qettinq, it was an RF off the spacecraft itself. 
Then one last thinq, with 1 CRT down, for both deployments, 
really, briefly could you describe any work around in use of the 
CRTs to qet both the front and the back quys qettinq their 
deployment work done. 

COX It is really almost a no impact tvpe of thing. The way 
the crew is situated, one of the Mission Specialists sits on the 
front left seat, the pilot sits on his normal seat on the 
right. One Mission Specialist is in the back, working the 
cameras and the switch panel. And then the Commander is in the 
back at the controls in case any maneuvers need to be made or 
what not. So where you finallv do most of the CRT work is up in 
the Commander's station and if you'll look at the timeline on the 
deploy checklist, most all this is fairly relaxed, thinqs move 
out in a fairly structured orderly manner, it's almost a serial 
type fashion. The crew had been used to usinq 2 CRTs there, but 
all that the Mission Specialists had to do was just cycle 
displays, he just pushed a button and selected the other display 
when he needed to talk to it, and when he needed to talkback to 
the other one he just brought it back up, so there was no problem 
in that. And since there are 3 CRTs available, the pilot then 
just used the 3rd one for monitoring the attitudes. So the crew 
didn't report any problem, and our look at it, in experienced 
crews that have (garble) simulators thought that that would be a 
zero impact, and it turned out that it was. 

something? You said the crystal qrowth and sponge growth 
experiments were started today, yet the Dress kit said the sponge 
growth was supposed to be started half hour after entry and there 
was something that had to do at 1 hour after entry, 30 minutes 
and 1 hour, so it should have been started Thursday. 

COX Entry, there's no. What you do in that, (qarble) 

The first runs for the sponge growth were 
scheduled to start the beginning of today's crew day, runs 1, 2 
and 3 at MET of ?3 hours. You stop the first run shortly, about 
an hour after that, you stop run 2, 24 hours after that, and the 
3rd run you allow to run the entire mission lenqth. Runs 4, 5 
and 6 are started at various stages throughout the rest of the 
flight and those also run through the duration of the mission. 

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And I guess there was another question over here that the third 
student experiment that convection current experiment is 
scheduled to start the third day at hour 23. 

GREG JEN BAY AREA NIGHT LIFE Dr. Cox , I was wondering if you 
could talk a little bit about the long duration exposure facility 
that may have already been depioved or will be deployed with this 
mission. Has it been deployed yet? 

COX Not on this flight. I hope not. (garble) 

Along about 13 or so (garble) . 

JEN A couple of questions about it, in as much as it qoing to 


Excuse me, we're talking about the last 8 or 9 
hours of STS-5, if you can confine your questions tc that, I 
think we'd qet alonq better here. 

Next over here, John Bisnery RKO Radio 

JOHN BISNERY (RKO RADIO) Yes, I wonder if you could run down 
tomorrow's activities in the CAP for us briefly, touching on the 
main ones, and especially talk a little bit about the head night 
tracking experiment. 

COX Let's see, we did add, there's goino to be that excel 
detection sensitivity 1 again. That's the one that the crew 
wasn't able to get to today just because they had night tracking 
what took so long. We will probably end up adding a forward 
station COAS CAL in there somewhere with the startracker 
threshold test. That startracker threshold test merely looks to 
see the sensitivity of our system to see what negative stars we 
pick up and we have an index we can just dial in and looking for 
different sensitivities, and I suspect it'll all happen just like 
it's supposed to. We'll then do some more medical DTOs, the 
(garble) repeatability, and then probably the, oh the item that 
will involve more of the crew time switching will be the VRCS 
engine soakback test which is combined with a stratification test 
on the cryogenic systems. And what we do there in those tests, 
the VRCS tests, we have a, sort of like a design type limit on 
how long we should continually fire some of those vernier jets, 
that concern that they might over temp or something. We don't 
believe that's any real constraint, but as part of a test 
program, we'd like to get along firing with them. So, what we're 
going to do is make a long slow attitude maneuver on the vernier 
jets. Coupled with that is the stratification test where we set 
up the cryogenic tanks, one set is feeding all fuel cells and we 
power the fuel cells up to a reasonably high level and again 
we'll look it up near the design limits and then we load the 
hydrogen and oxygen through all three fuel cells and you might 

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pull little pockets from those tanks, and then when you do this 
attitude maneuver, you'll reshako the tank up and remix the 
cryogenics and you may see a pressure pulse or some sort of a 
signature. So, since we don't have a qravitv feed system or what 
not, it is just a thing to look and see whether you cin do that, 
we expect there will he no problem doinq that, and we'll fill the 
square up completing that little test that hadn't been completed 
in the past. We will have the radiators deployed, while we're in 
the side Sun attitude, and we will close them again prior to 
starting the RVAs, so that we can get some time out and some time 
in with the radiators to look at the effectiveness of onerating 
that way and the side attitude. Rach one of the test attitudes 
that we've flown through the OFT program and now, we've tried to 
get an idea of the efficiencies of the radiators at the different 
test attitudes. And this is just another one of those NAV 
step. Being in thi~ thermal attitude, the starboard sun, we're 
setting ourselves ud also to look at what vehicle distortion you 
might get and thermal effects throughout the system and see how 
well the heater system:., respond on the cold side. And we'll also 
take some measurements and see if we get any vehicle distortion 
out of heating this nonsymet r i ca 1 wav, don't expect any. And 
also since we're getting the left side cold, we'll be doing some 
RCS soakback tests, where we'll fly one engine for Dulse neriod 
of time, and then we'll fire a single engine. ?Jow those firings 
will take place on flight day 4, as the KVA day, before and after 
the EVA. Tomorrow all we're doinq is setting up that case of 
qettinq jets turned off and getting the system cooled down on 
that side. 

How would vou characterize tomorrow then, in terms 
of the workload for the crew, as compared to the first two days, 
where they had one major ; ob, tomorrow it sounds like they have a 
number of smaller tasks. 

COX Yes, and nothing is very time critical tomorrow, it's a 
very relaxed type of f ' t plan. You could almost give the crew 
a list of things when t".. y get up in the morning like you'd have 
little jobs that are on the house, and see if you qet these done 
before you go to bed toniqh:, that type of thing. 

PAO Next row 

still on the timeline tomorrow, and do you have anymore thouqhts 
about what, I believe it was Joe Allen, was seeinq earlier today, 
something coming off the vernier jets. He saw I think a visual 

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...ho saw, I think a visual phenomena centered 
around firing of the verniers. 

COX We didn't get any more comments about the visual 

effects, but it's those type of comments that we've had t rom 
previous crows that have stimulated the interest in the alow 
experiment. That also ties in probably related to this oxygen 
interaction test that's going on, so if everybody is probably 
talking about the same phenomenon in a different way. Glow 
experiment is on the timeline and no reason to do any 
different. It'll be a 1 full night side pans of the different 
attitude maneuvers and photo taking. 

Over here on 

from the student exne 
arrant sponge? 

COX The la 

of sponges or pockets 
opened the pocket, it 
3, they found 2. 

Would yo 

that one of 

hadn't. There are 
e,-«ch pocket, and as 
ad 1 packets in pock' 

pocket, a pocke 
say that again 



COX I only practiced to do it once. Since they are 

identical to the other pockets, there's 3 more the same type of 
set up because all. that you do is start these and let them go 
until the end of the fliqht. We suspect maybe they'll find one 
had been placed in one of the other pockets and so that's a 
suggestion. I suspect by tomorrow morninq, we'll know if there 
was if the other one was found. 

PAO Okay. Let's switch to Marshall now tor a few 

quest ions . 

DAVE DOOLING HUNTSVT LLE TIMES Still on the sponge experiment, I 
heard one of the crewmen say that they had gotten a late start or 
an out of sequence start on that. Could you elaborate a little 

COX The only thing was that they started at a 

different cime. What's critical for this experiment is that you 
do things on a sequence and so all they did was started the 
sequence at a different time. You start the first one, and then 
you stop it, affix the sponge growth after one hour, and they did 
do that, and then they started up the next set properly. Those 
times all have the like r e 1 at ior sh i ps with respect to each other 
and they just asked us to give them reminders tomorrow now that 

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rules had a degree and 1/2 at deploy time, and that's because we 
have to measure in the n i ng 1 e axis and they're looking for total 
attitude error of ?. We had 500'r, of a dog of error. 500's 
yesttTdav, and 400's today. As far nr. the ranging error, wo were 
able to take somewhere in' the- order of 10 seconds timinq error 
which, going to 2 5,000 feet per second , i s an awful lot of feet 
of ranqinq error. 250,000 feet, and yesterday if- war, 4500, it':: 
what, two order: 7 , of magnitude better, we bettered by that today 
by another order of magnitude. We had 4<»fi feet of error today. 
So, we have to say it war, spectacular. Tt war, well well beyond 
the accuracy that wan required. 

DOOM NO So you ' re ta! king about beinq within a mile, within 
less than a mile, within less than a 10th of a mile respectively 
on the theoretically perfect position. 

COX That's right. 

noOMNC Okay. And do we have anythinq on the current health of 

T.ney , really we've heard nothinq else from the 
TFLRSAT folks that they did pick up the signal over Guam and that 
they did have confirmation from NORAD that they had a clean 
spacecraft and PAM seperation. 

COX T miqht also add that's exactly what was expected 

at this time, I mean on a good day, this is exactly the way you 
would expect it to take place. 

There are no further guestions at Marshall. 

PAO Any other centers? Okay. We're back here in 

Houston. Jules, do you have another question. 

JULES BERGMAN Yes. John, last night, I asked about when the 
apogee burn was going to be done in SRS and the man from SBS 

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spoke of possibly as early as 5:00 pm today. Was that done and, 
if not, when is it expected and second part, when is tho apogee 
burn expected on ANIK? 

COX I'll let Mike handle that one. 

Okay. The SPS burn will be done approximately 
5:00 Dm tomorrow afternoon now that they have had time to track 
the spacecraft and determine its orbit and the preplanned time 
for the ANIK burn would he approximately the same time on Monday, 
about 5:00 o'clock on Monday. And we've heard no change from the 
TELESAT people on that. 

PAO Way in the back here. 

aid that it was the best lav 

COX It war; hard to say it, but we were junt a little 

bit better. You can toll by the accuracy of deploy and 
everything, it was riqht on and everythinq at tho control center 
was a lot more relaxed. We had done it riant once and we were 
just able to come riqht trucking on through and do it again, 
better . 

PAO Anybody else? Paul Pecer , AP . 

PAUL RECER AP 1 know the odds are extremely long on this, but 
is there any possibility that the crew could visually sight the 
satellites durinq the circ burns on Saturday, yeah Saturday and 

COX No. They burn at apogee 27,000 miles away. That 

would be awfully touqh. 

PAO Anyone else? Craiq Covault, Aviation Week. 

CRAIG COVAULT A couple of questions unrelated, but back again 
on the deployment today. I heard this morning a callup use, I 
think the number 2 sequence control assembly because of telemetry 
problem on number I or perhaps vice versa. Could you speak to 
that a little bit? 

COX There's one temperature measurement that wasn't 

working properly. Noted prelaunch, nobody had a druther until we 
noticed that, so there's a druther, and so let's just use the one 
that has perfect data. 

CRAIG COVAULT And also prelaunch, Joe and Bill talked about 
really trying to make a qo at some qood Earth photography since 

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they had a couole of days this trio that aren't quite tnat 

full. no you know what some of their targets, preferred targets 

on Earth photography are? 

COX No. You know, they're both kind of camera bugs, 

Joe especially, and I couldn't tell you what particular targets 
hut I'll bet there won't bo very much film not exposed when they 
get back. Get a qood idea of what they do when they qet back. 
I'm sorry I can't hole you. I'll can probably qo see whether 
anybody does know thouqh, and get you that information. 

PAO Anyone else? One more hack here. Diane Barnes. 

DIANE BARNES In regard to the TELES AT , how long is it designed 
to operate and then how is it to be repaired if it should 
malfunction before the end of the planned lifetime? 

The spacecraft are designed for an 8 to 10 year 
lifetime in most cases. At that point, there is no repair 
capability on the spacecraft. It's real limiting factor is the 
reaction control fuel that it uses to keep it on station and once 
that fuel is expended, then will just tumble out of control. 

PAO Okay. Any further questions? We'll wrap it ur> 

then. Thank you very much. 


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PAO Good morning, chanqe of shift for the Irovy Team, 

Flight Director Tom Holloway, we have with us today too, Dr. Sam 
Pool, who's Chief of Medical Sciences Division here at the 
Johnson Space Center. We'll start with the summary of the past 8 
hours by Tommy, and then 90 to Dr. Pool. 

HOLLOWAY The last 8 hours have been verv routine, we're 

continuing some of the orbiter testinq that we're continuing to 
do after on STS-5, setting up for different kinds of tests. We 
hot fired all of the primary RCS thrusters this morning to 
demonstrate that they' were all still operational. There's some 
14 of the big jets that are not routinely used on orbit, unless 
they're required to replace other jets and the redundancy 
management scheme of business. The activities this morning have 
gone very well. The crew is performing in their usual 
exceptional way, have accomplished all activities on time, and 
we're on schedule for the activities that are scheduled today. 
The. crew requested that a private medical conference this morning 
and we scheduled that at a Hawaii about 2 passes, 2 revolutions 
ago and at that time they conferred with their surgeons and I'll 
let Dr, Pool talk about the details of that, and he completes 
that discussion, I'll talk a little bit more. 

DR. POOL Okay, from a medical point of view, this mission 

has progressed pretty much, I think, as we expected. I think 
most of you know that in the early Shuttle missions, we ran 
something on the order of a 50 percent incidence of some form of 
space sickness of one type or another. We point out that 
generally this crew has been in good health and their performance 
has been excellent. However two of them have experienced some of 
the symptoms, brief episodes of motion sickness and they've taken 
motion sickness medications, specifically skapolomine dexadrine 
combination and phenigan for those symptoms. Please to report 
that one of the crewman has completely adapted aparently and has 
no more symptoms. One of the crewman continues to have some 
symptoms. I'll leave it go with that until we get some 
quest ions . 

HOLLOWAY Okay, and continue my discussions, as you probably 

know, we always have an alternate plans and opportunities to 
conduct the fliqht. At this time, we're evaluating whether we 
would continue with the EVA tomorrow, based on the health of the 
crewmen, and that'll be a judqement decision that will be made by 
Dr. Pool and others. And we have an option to delay the EVA up 
to one day, as late as first thing in the morning after the crew 
gets up. We don't necessarily expect to do that, but if we 
decide that it would be prudent to do so, we have the option to 
do that and it's a fairly simple fliqht plan change to do that. 
In fact, we have had those options open to us from the very 
beginning. So, we'll continue to evaluate the situation through 
the day and up through, including in the morning. And probably, 
we'll press on with the EVA tomorrow, but if it becomes prudent, 

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and we think it would be better to wait a day, the option is 
there to do that, and we would make that decision first thing in 
the morning. And with that, I'll open up for anv questions. 

PAO Okay, Reed Collins 

COLLINS Dr. Pool, who is sick and how long have they been 

sick, and how much skopdex have they taken? 

DR. POOL Alriqht, the first individual who had some 

symptoms of this space sickness was Bob Overmyer and he said that 
they only bothered him for brief periods. I think the more we 
deal with this and learn about it, we find that this phenomenon 
varies from individual to individual. In his case, he said that 
he was occasionally bothered by it, and he took some skopolomine 
dexadrine, he took one shortly after the OMS 1 burn, which is 
just as they get into the null gravity environment. He took one 
before, I think his noon meal that day, and I think he took yet 
another that evening, before supper. The second person to report 
symptoms is Rill Lenoir. He felt pretty good the first day, 
second day, he began to feel, what I would describe as a 
physician, malaise, and didn't have much nausea associated with 
this, but since then he has had some symptoms this mornina, and 
we discussed those with him. 

PAO Roy Noal, NBC 

NEAL How serious, Doctor, are these symptoms, and how 

serious are the side effects as they would pertain to tomorrow's 
possibilities? In other words, could you give some kind of 
feeling for what Tommy was talking of a few minutes ago. 

DR. POOL I think at this point, we're still evaluating, and 

we plan to talk with them again this afternoon and this evening 
as noted earlier to make certain that our instincts are 
correct. But my instinct is that we're doinq pretty well in our 
adapting to this phenomenon. And to try to put this symptom 
atology in perspective, it's much like the other missions. We've 
observed on the one hand, their ability to do fairly delicate and 
complicated tasks. But on the other hand, I think they're 
aggravated by these symptoms. And from the point of view of EVA, 
yes, we would be concerned if someone were really havinq a lot of 
symptoms of space motion sickness, and we've got to make that 
judgement today. 

HOLLOWAY And I would emphasize that there is no overridding 

reason why the EVA should occur tomorrow or the next day. It's 
just a matter of choice. 


Morton Dean, CBS 

STS-5 CHANGE-OF-SHIFT BRI^FINC! pOOSja 11/13/82 9:00 am PAGE 3 

DEAN Just to ps:sh a 1 i -.tin bit, you &aid that t-hey got 

malaise and then nausea and since then he has had «orae symptoms 
of malaise nausea and has he thrown up, is that your message? 

DR. POOL Yes he has, he's hid an episode of vomitting, I 

think shortly after breakfast this morning. 

DEAN Will his activities be limited today because of 

that, or what might happen? 

DR. POOL We discussed that with him, we suggested that he 

go ahead and continue the medication and that if he felt like it, 
to go ahead and work today. We also know that the flight plan 
would permit him to be fairly ouiet today. After all, he was 
going to do some medical things, anyway, and I'm perfectly happy 
to wave that. 

PAO Cross, did you have a question, or has it been 


CROSS Partially, I'll iust ask another one instead of 

acking Dr. Pool if Rill had thrown ud, I'll ask Tommy about 
something else. It's apparent that the crew is having a lighter 
work schedule on this mission than on any of the past ones. 
Would you qo into the reasons why, I think we probably know them, 
but it should come from you. 

HOLLCWAY I think that you'll find that that appearance is 

caused by two different things. First of all when you get four 
men onboard, they can accomplish a lot more work in a smaller 
amount of time. So you're seeing the productivity increase 
because the fact that we have four people onhoard. And that was 
evident from the very beginning. The pay load bay doors got open 
earlier than they've ever b^en open before, the post insertion 
activity was relatively easier than it ever has been before. And 
I was very pleasantly pleased with how smooth things went on 
launch day. So that's part of the activity reason that the 
timelines appear to be so easy compared to what they may have 
been on previous flights. Secondly, at least on some of the 
days, they just flat aren't quite as much to do as they have been 
in the past. But I'm encouraqed by the fact that these four guys 
can get so much more done than two can and how productive they 
really are. 

PAO Get Craig Covalt over here. 

CRAIG COVALT (AVIATION WEEK) Dr. Pool, t ..ild you characterize 
Bob Overmyer's symptoms a little more specifically please. 

DR, POOL His symptoms, when he had them, and these were 

brief periods, and clear l ' in the postf light debriefing we'll be 
able to find out more. But from the time we've had to discuss 

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them, they did just last for a brief period of time and he had 
some nausea, and ho also had an episode of vomittinq. 

episode of vomittinq was 

1 ? 

DR. POOL Yen, as I recall, I think about 6 hours mission 

elapsed time. 

COVALT t have two other questions. Have both Rob and 

Bill been eating well and sleeping well? 

PR. POOF, Yes, as a matter of fact, made a point to tell us 

that they've been resting well. Their sleep periods have been 
good, even the first niqht, which is sometimes troublesome. And 
as far as eating is concerned, they've both been eatinq well. 
When they have these symptoms, we advise that they not eat large 
quantities at any single meal, that they backoff from that and 
maybe eat a little more frequently in smaller quantities. 

COVALT Okay, and an EVA question for Tommy, a mission 

rules question actually. Whether or not you go tomorrow or slip 
a day, is it Bill's call whether he goes out in consultation with 
you, and correct roe if I'm wrong, but is it not that if one 
crewman cannot go out, hut: you still have tw.i good suits, you can 
do a 1 man EVA and would do a I man FVA this time? 

HOLl.OWAY Well, I'll answer those questions in this way. 

First of all, you interpreted the flight rules basically 
correct. Now whether we would actually do a one man EVA or not, 
is being evaluated, and that miqht be one of the flight, rules 
that we would decide not to implement, should we decide 1 man FVA 
was the only option. Secondly, the determination on whether to 
go out tomorrow or delay a day, will he made iointly by the 
commander and Dr. Pool and myself and other NASA management. 

CHANGE OF SHIFT BRIEFING pOOSjb 11/13/82 9:00 am PAGE 1 

PAO Mark Kramer, CPS. 

KRAMER (CPS) nr. Pool, who took the phenagin and does phenagin 
make you sleepy or drowsy? 

POOL U may. Tt may make you sleepy, Bill Lenoir took the 
phenagin and well, wc advised that he take it and it can make you 
a little sleepy. 
KRAMER (CPS) When was that? 

POOL He's taken it before on the qround, before he went up, we 
know he's not going to have any uncoord reaction to it or 
shouldn't and we know that it makes him a little sleepy. 

KRAMER (CPS) And when did he take that? 

POOL Yes, he was going to take that this morning. 

KRAMER (CPS ) 1 nee. And I quoss for Tom Holloway. is there any 
reason why if Overmeyer had recurrence of thin ma la l se or mi Id 
nausea or whatever, that would preclude an EVA if Lenoir felt 

HOLLOWAY I don't think so. Bill, Bob is the sort of the 
traffic director during the EVA. He coordinates with the guys 
outside and keeps ud with what's going on and helps us it we need 
to talk to the crew over L'HF station and so on and so forth. But 
I think under normal circumstances, Vance could fulfill that role 
very well and Bob could relax if required, but we really don t 
anticipate if. any way that that would be the case tomorrow. 

POOL I might add to that just briefly that Bob Overmeyer 
apparently had adapted very well and is doing well at this point. 

PAO Get that right behind you there. 

DF.MBART (LA TIMES) Dr. Pool, am I right in thinking that's 

better preventative than it is a cure if motion 

POOL No, it's frequently used when individuals have developed 
symptoms. We use it on the KC135 very frequently with 
experimental subjects and it works pretty well. We find it is 

LYONS (ABC NEWS) Or. Pool, if the drugs seem to control 
Lenoir's problem, but you need to continue them, would you 
concern about the EVA be side effect in his reaction to them? 

POOL No, I don't think that's the case. Most of the 
medications that we use, particularly the escapoline dexadnne 

STS-5 CHANGE OF SHIFT BRIEFING pOOSih 11/13/82 9:00 am PAGE 2 

don't have mark to pronounce side effects. The phenaqin does 
make you a little sleepy. I think we would feel comfortable with 
it. Administration escapoline dexadrine and possibly phenaqin, 
but we'd have to think about it before a.\ EVA. 

LYONS (ABC NEWS) So your concerned would only be if the druqs 
don't seem to work? 

POOL That's correct. 


The one up the right there, there's one thet 

KELLY (ABC) Pave Kelly ABC. Have Allen or Brand had any 
symptoms at all? 

POOL No. None whatsoever . They've just been doing great. 
PAO Paul Recer from the AP up here. 

RKKSER Lenoir as I recA*. 1 exercised rather vigorously yesterday 
POO! j t 'm sorry . . . 

REESER Bill Lenoir as I recall exo 
yesterday. Did this precede his epi 
during or what? 

HOLLOWAY I'm sure he was scheduled there but T don't know ... 

POOL T can get that information for you. I'm not certain. We 
- I know we didn't do one of the medical tests that we were 
scheduled to do today and frankly and durinq the private med comm 
we did not discuss who exercised yesterday. It was in the flight 
plan I believe that he would so he probably may have. If in fact 
he did, I don't think it - if it precipitated somethinq, he 
didn't - it wasn't a hiqhliqht for him because he didn't mention 
it to us. 

RECER I'm tryinq to establish the sequence of these events in 
regard to the exercise and the illness. 

POOL I understand. And I honestly don't know that he exercised 
yesterday, that's number 1. If he did and it was associated with 
motion sickness, he didn't say so. He didn't hiqhliqht that for 
us and we are - I'm sure you know, concerned that if they move 
around alot in the first few days of adaptinq to the environment, 
those people who are susceptible are apt to have more difficulty 
with the problem. 

PAO Reed Collins. 

STS-S CHANGF. OF SHIFT BRIEFING p005jb 1.1/13/82 9:00 am PACK 3 

COLLINS Would you get into the airlock with any question about 
00 or NO /GO or when do we qet a handle on this decision? One 
thinq I - answer that and then I have one more question. 

POOL No, I don't think so. We would make up our minds first 
thinq in the morninq and if we were not going to do the EVA we'd 
get on with the business with doing the work that it now on 
fliqht day 5 on flight day 4 and so we will continue you with an 
PVA orep that is scheduled this afternoon. Some preliminary 
equiDment precautions to ho in a position to exercis-.- either 
option first thing in the morninq. But we'll basically make ,t 
about breakfast time and get on with whatever the plan of the day 
is. And we may decide this afternoon. 

COLLINS At this chanqe of shift brief inq yesterday, the 
question was asked if any medication had been taken, if any 
illness had occurred, the answer was the medication pref light tor 
Allen and the postdome medication for the remainder and nothing 
since. Why? 

HOLLOW AY That's I think that's correct and that was based on 
what I knew at that particular time and of coarse Dr. Pool has 
qiven you information that he has obtained since then and he can 
answer add i t i onal quest ions. 

POOL I'm not sure exactly which press briefing you're referrinc 

COLLINS 9:00 yesterday morning. 

POOL There was this one, (garble) before the med conm 


11 trv to remember the sequence of events. 

' ate medical communications with 

POOL Let's se 
I think when we 

the crew, it occurred fairly early on the first day and at 
ooint in time it all felt pretty well. And that's what we - 
think we recorded and unfortunately I didn't see the one 
yesterday. T missed it. 

COLLINS So the information you received at 9:00 vesterday i 
based on what we knew or what I knew about the crew's per fori 
at that time and what had actually happened and at that time 
that's all T knew and that's all I told you. 

PAO John Wilford, New York Times. 

W I LFORD ( NEW YORK TIMES) Now if you proceed with the F.VA, 
guys get out in the pay load hay and one of them or both of t 

STS-5 CHANGE OF SHIFT BRIEFING p005jb 11/13/82 9:00 am PAGE 4 

get sick. How quickly can you get them back and what if one of 
them vomits in his helmet? 

HOLLOWAY Well, I'll answer part of that and then I'll let Dr. 
Pool talk about that second question. It would take us IS to 30 
ir,inutes to qet them back in the airlock and start repressing the 
airlock and it goes fairly quickly and of course we're prepared 
to do that for other reasons, equipment reasons, and suit reasons 
and malfunctions in the backpack and so on and so forth. 

POOL Clearly we've given some thouqht to the probability and 
the consequences of vomitinq in the suit. We know that is not a 
qood thing to do. We also know from our thoughts and analysis on 
-he subject, that it could cloud the vision, and I think it would 
be a most agravating situation. You would have to maneuver your 
face, perhaps blow a particular matter away from the nasal and 
oral passaqes, that due^ble and I think we would want to come 
back inside immediately upon that occurrence. I think we could 
come back inside. Also, I think we're going to be pretty 
cautious here, this is our first F.VA for Shuttle anyway, and 
we've been cautious in the past on occasion. T think some of you 
may call thinkinq the Apollo mission we had this sort of 
situation and we made a determination proceeded and we did qet 
the F.VA done. Those are the thoughts that go through my mind 
when we think about vomiting in the sui*. 

PAO Paul Recer . 

RFOER The Apollo mission vour talking about is Apollo 9 in 
which Rusty Swiaqert did in fact go out on the porch, but he, the 
•■'VA was severally abbreviated and he did not do the full course 
of the pass that was assigned to him. Is that a possibility for 
this EVA that it will be abbreviated in some manner? 

HOII.OWAY I reallv don't think so. In fact, the symptoms that I 
think the crew on this mission have arf not anythinq like severe 
pronounce as the ones we had on that mission on Apollo. 

PAO Come over here 

ARMFTTI ( ARC NEWS) Tommy, could you tell me if I.enoir is still 
feelinq sick as of Monday morninq or after they wake up on 

monday, are there plans possibly cancelled the EVA or would you 
just go an extra day for the mission and try it in tuesday? 

HOM.OWAY Woll, as you know, our intermission lighting and 
(qarble) rains and lighting at the landing site is very delicate 
in turns of balancir.q our tradeoff between what crossrange we d 
like to have when we land and the time after sunrise. In fact we 
are landing right at sunrise. We have not really decided what 
our options are toward extending the fliqht to provide the 
oprjortunity to do the EVA should we need more time. That's 

and qet this young lady in the front row. 

STS-5 CHANGE OF SHIFT BRIEFING p005jb 11/11/82 9:00 am PAGE 5 

something we'll be evaluating the next day or so and I'm very 
hopeful, in fact, I expect I'm not going to have to worry about 

PAO Craiq Covault. 

COVAULT (AVIATION WEEK) Or. Pool, could you characterize 
preflight test or what's the suceptabi 1 ity levels you saw with 
each crewmem preflight and after that has been born out by the 
experiment - experience in orbit (garble). 

POOL No, we do the preflight testing, not because it's been a 
good analog to predict what qoes on in flight. In fact, it has 
not and we knew that clear back in Skylab. You say, then why d< 
you do it. Well, we do it to try and get a handle on how 
effective the medications are and in the ground based 
environment, we may induce the symptoms of motion sickness in 
subjects by these provocative stimuli, we can bring then back 
then after they ' ve' taken the medication and determine something 
about the ecafasy of that particular medication and that 
particular individual. 


POOL And there is a good deal of variation as I'm sure 

you know. As far as the testinq is concerned, and how well they 
did with the specific tests. I frankly, didn't bring that data 
with me, I would hesitate at this point to comment on that 
orefliqht testinq, since it's not really an analoq of the in- 
flight experiences and is used specifically to payload the 
med icat ions . 

PAO We have some questions at the Marshall Space 

Fliqht renter, we'll qo there now for those. 

DAVE DOOLING ( HUNTS VI IAS TIMES) Tommy, first off, have you, has 
the crew said anythinq whether they've noticed the so called 
sideways banana affect from the side sun soak yet? 

HOLLOWAY No they have not. In fact, if they saw that banana 

affect, we would be in a heap of trouble. We do intend to take 
some measurements this afternoon with tte theodolite and after we 
get those measurments, we may have an idea of how large the 
banana affect is. 

POOLING Okay, secondly, have they reported seeing anythinq 

with the atomic oxygen interaction experiment back on top of the 
DFI, have they seen anythinq back there, is that oretty much 
visible to them? 

HOLLOWAY No, they have not reported anythinq visually on 

that particular experiment, and as a matter of fact, I would not 
expect that they would. This is back in the back, they can't see 
it except through the Television, and the kind of thing that 
experiment is desiqned to do, you'll have to wait until you qet 
the materials back on the ground to take a look at them before 
you can tell what's going on. 

DOOLING Okay, anything more on the helium regulator? Or is 

that still doing. . . 

HOLLOWAY The helium regulator is working fine, almost like a 

new one. 

DOOLING On the early morninq video, we saw little dings 

from the tiles on the OMS pod, does that appear to be essentially 
the same thing that happened on STS-1? 

HOLLOWAY The chips on OMS pod? I really don't know what 

caused the chips. Of course, as far as what it looked like and 
the fact, that they are missing, they are similiar to what 
happened on flight one. In terms of what caused them, we don't 
know yet, and probably very well may never know exactly what 
caused them. But I would add at this time, there's absolutely no 

STS-5 CHANCE OF SHIFT B RIFF I NO pOOSje 11/13/82 9:00am PAGE 2 

concern aho.i* those two partially mir,sin«j tile, they arc oven 
smaller than the wo experienced on flight one, and there i.- 
no concern during the entry. 

000 L ING Okay, and two final questions. How long did it 

take Overmyer to get the eggs cleaned up? And, if. there any 
possible relationship between the incidences of Malaise and 
nausea with the biomedical experiment;- they've been doing? 

HOT LOW AY Relative to the first question about cleaning up 
the eggs. I have no idea how lonq it took, but probably not very 
long,' Bob war, reallv in a talkative mood thin morning, and he 
wanted to talk to ur, about how thinqr, were going, so he told us 
about how the breakfast was going, and how he was having a little 
trouble keeping uo with all the stuff that was in the food 
warmer. And how he had apparently spilled some eggs, scrambled 
ogqs. And I'm sure he cleaned that up right away, or whoever had 
the duty this morninq for being the cook and bottle washer. 
Relative to the question, I'll let Dr. Pool 

DR pool. We've been really excited and delighted about the 

quality 'of tho data that we ' ve ' obt a i n<-d . Fven though the 
oddoc tun i ties to obtain it have been very brief. We We lust been 
delighted with that, both in the pro-flight and the in-fliqht 
period. T think it's going to take us some time to analyze that 
data. And that story will have to wait till post-flight 

PA 0 No further questions from Marshall. 

Okay we have a question at the Kennedy Smcp 

Center . 

IVORY <MBC) Tommy, what will be the last time that vou will 
havo to make the decision of whether or not you will go for t,.e 
EVA or not . 

H0LL0WAY Relative to deciding whether we'll go out in the 

morninq or not on the EVA , we'll decide that in the time frame or 
breakfast in the morning, and so if you have a crew activity plan 
with you, about breakfast time is when we'll decide, before they 
go into the prep and start qetting ready to go out. I should go 
ahead and add, that is, if we decide to tomorrow, we may decide 
this afternoon that we'll going to go out tomorrow. Or wait till 
day S. Is there a second question? 

PA0 Okay, no more questions there. Mark Cramer. 

CRAMER Dr. Pool, how much Scopedex did Overmyer take and 

Lenoir, and did Brand ever show any signs of Malaise on his 
earlier space fight? 


POOL No. There were quest ions there, as to the dosaq-?, 

the 'fiosaqo sconolomoan .4 mq and dexatrine .5 mq , that's boon 
what fhov were' all advised to take, and what they have. Ovormyer 
specifically took 3 the first day, my mo nor y may fade a little 
bit so I orobably shouldn't say, but he took some the second 
day. And' I don't believe he's taken any at all today, he's 
feeling qreat today. Did I answer that? 

CRAMER About Lenoir? 

POOL Lenoir took one scopolomcan dexatrine on OMS-J, 

felt pretty well the first day, and didn't take anymore 
medication. The second day he began to feel some malaise as I 
mentioned, and he took one I think, toward the end of the day. 

PAO Back in the back row there. 

J AM US KILKINS (BBC) Can T just get back to somethina you said 
earlier. Tf Rill Lenoir is not well enough to do the FA' A is 
there any ponsibl ity of one of the other astronaunts might take 
his place? 

HOI.LO.WAY No sir. Bill and Joe are the ? poonlo are trained 

to do this EVA, and although it's technically possible perhaps we 
would not entertain doing that. 

PAO (garble) question 

DOl'G MILLER (KTRH) Whenever the discussion came up about the 
death of . . .Breshnef f , there was a sort of reluctance expressed 
about that conversation, and indeed it seemed that there was 
suggestion that they shouldn't talk about that on the loop, can 
you ex-lain why there was that reluctance? 

HO L LOW AY I couldn't hear the question. Could you repeat it 

MILLER During the time of the, whenever Boh Overmyer 

mentioned the death of Breshnef f, there seem to be a 

reluctance to have him continue talking about that subject, 
indeed it seemed there was a suggestion that he shouldn't talk 
about it, while on the loop at least, can you explain that? 

HOLLOWAY The CAPCOM was afraid he was going to qet me in a 

heap of trouble, and I was goinq to come over here and you were 
going to ask a bunch of questions about it, 

DONNA KARNES (BAY AREA NIGHT LIFE) Dr. Pool, isn't mrble) 
also used to relieve pain, and was there any pain experienced 
along with the nausea? 


No, no pain. 


PA0 come up hors right here, and then over and net 

Car los . 

SHF.RRY ARUETTI (ABC) Tommy, there war, something mentioned by 
Joe Allen about some feeling that they had, or feeling of motion 
when thev fired the RCS thrusters, T don't know, it might of been 
right when your shift ended, did you hear him mention that? 

FOLLOWAY Well, I know of two thing.'; that might relate to 

that. War, it yesterday or today? 

SHF.RRY No, it was this morning, sometime maybe about 8... 

HOLLOWAY Well the last two days we've been flying around on 

the little 2 r > oound vernier thrusters and they're very low thrust 
arid when they fired to control attitude of the Spacecraft, 
there's little motion involved, and the crew, when they are very 
still and paying attention can feel and/or hear those thrusters 
f i'ro, I don't know which it if,, but we just switched over to the 
primary thrusters for a period of time associated with some test 
burns that we're going to do, one this afternoon, some tomorrow, 
and so we're firing the big thousand pound thrusters now, and 
when they fire, the Spaceship really shakes and moves about and 
previous crows have commented a great deal about that also. It 
sounds like House rs going off. For example, partically when 
those front thrusters fire. 

SHERRY Because when Joe made the comment, it sounded as 

though they were suprised they got this feeling, so T though 
maybe it was a phenomon that no one mentioned before. 

HOLLOWAY No, I don't think so. I suspect, and it must of 

been made after I left the control center, or after I unplugged 
and I'm sure it's the same thing we've seen before and Joe just 
reaffirming the same thing we already know. 

PAO (garble) 

Dr. Pool, didn't Brand have a pretty severe episode 
of motion sickness during reentry from Apollo/Soyuz 

POOL You mean in the water after the mission was over? 

POOL Yes, okay. 

There was some sequence 

POOL At the end of the ASIP there was a toxic exposure, 

I believe the substance was hydroziene, which is propellant out 
of the RCS which is brought in through a vent into the command 


modulo and yer> they wpre sick, but not from motion sickness I 
don't think. 

It had been my understand ing that that whole 
episode heqan with motion sickness. 

POOL No . 


POOL into the command module and yes, they were sick, 

but not from motion sickness I don't think. 

COVALT It's been my understanding that that whole episode 

began with motion sickness. 


PAO Paul Recer 

RECFR Has this episode of vomittinq with Lenoir been of 

a sufficient intensity to cause a concern about dehydration, and 


RECER You've not given him instructions as to liquids or 


DR. POOL Sure, we've counseled with him on don't drink 

1 arge' ouantitios at once, drink more frequent jmall quantities. 
And he*'s been doing that anyway, you know, he's smart, he figured 
that out for himself. 

RECFR Okay, did you advise him to increase his intake of 


DR. POOL No, lust sort of maintain a constant flow. 

RECER Yeah. 

PAO Morton Dean, one last question. 

D EAN I think I know the answer to this. Is he ill 

enough for you to entertain coming home early? And secondly, has 
any one of the astronauts on the, during any of the Shuttle 
missions, been ill enough for you to entertain the possibility of 
cutting a mission short becuase of that? 

HOLLOWAY Answer to both of those questions is no. 

POOL No . 

HOLLOWAY As a matter of fact, you know, if you compare the 

kind of phenomenon this space sickness is with sea sickness, at 
least to date, we've not had anybody who's really been severly 
bothered with it as some people who go to sea are. They seem to 
adapt fairly readily, and the episodes of having symptoms are nd 
as frequent nor as severe. 

Guys on ship don't get better, do they? 

STS-S CHANGE-OF-SH T FT BRIEFING p005jd 11/1 3/82 9:00am PACK 2 

HOLLOWAY Well, no, many of them get better and adapt, but 

some don't. We just, haven't had that kind of experience vet. 

DKAN noes that include Joe Engals' sickness that, minor? 

HOLLOWAY You know, there were so many compounding variables 

in that mission. We had water that had a lot of gas in it, we 
had a timeline which didn't permit them time to eat, sufficient 
time to eat. Those sorts of things going on make me very 
hesistant to comment about whether or not an individual had 
motion sickness, particular if the symptoms were fairly mild in 
association with those other things going on. 


Okay, thank you. 





you to oar post launch press confe 
s' morning we have Tom IJtsman, who i 
t i nnr, at the Konnedy Soace Center, 
the place which Georqe Page had as 

and Al 0' tiara who was the launch 
as he was on the launch flight. 



dio rather 

sion audio 

than on 
rather than 

MAN Okay, i i|i|«r; there's not much T can say about the 
sion. Yo'i saw i t , it was spectacular, we're very proud of it 

I guess since George left Shuttle operations and 1 took over, 
ve done a little shifting in arrangements there. I sort of 
ed to orchestrate it and we've divided up the work because 
re qoinq to be launching very many of these and there's nobody 
a free world that can do the iob that the launch director does 
the director of Shuttle ooerations. So what we're goinq to 
to do today is lot Al O'Hara, who is our launch director, he 
your "launch director on STS-4, takeover and give you any 
ails of the launches and ['11 try to fill in since I do a few 
-jobs for Al during the mission or during the launch so I can 
d out if he nets a little problem there. Thank you. 

O'HARA I'm very thankful to God for a safe and successful 
launch today. I think Americans can be very proud that we've 
taken this qiant step again and moved into our prime business of 
transporting .spacecraft up into earth orbit and this afternoon, 
i! ail goes' a-, planned, we'll hav deployed our first commercial 
sitellite. We are very, we had great counts, that's all I can 
say. It was very, very smooth. The test team responded very 
wM 1 , very professional manner and Tom and I are very proud of 
the way they responded. [ can't - there were vry few problems 
during' the countdown. Few minor ones to keep us occupied so we 
don't get nervous about something, but it went picture perfect. 
Th,-. weather here of course you know was just ideal. We had an 
easterly wind and no problems at all of any weather here. Out in 
the ocean, the 2 SRB's have been spotted, the parachutes did open 
as pianned and they are in the process of recovering them at this 
tin.e. They are in a spar mode about 20 feet or so protruding out 
of the water and we feel confident we'll be able to retrieve the 
SPB'b and return them. The seas ;\re about 6 to 8 feet the last 
count T heard, so it's going to be a little rough out there but I 
believe they'll be able to do the job successfully. Some people 
ask *bout the launch time, we can give it to you. It was 7:19 
00.0678 or 68 thousands of a second late. I got chewed out a bit 
for b"ing late but T reminded them on the last launch we were a 

sis- 5 post launch 



few m i 1 1 i seconds early so it averages out. So they accepted 
that. So we are very thankful that everythinq went well and 
we're really looking forward to this mission. It's qoing to be 
exciting with the spacecraft being deployed and the RVA's and we 
believe we're just going to stay here today and wait for that 
first deployment before we go home. We'll be glad to entertain 
anv questions you might have. 

VAO Thank you. We're ready for questions. If I don't call on 
you by name, pleaue give your name and affiliation. Do we have 
anv questions at all? okay, we have one over here in this 
section. In that row, Maggie. Riqht there. 

i.UDWIO (ORLANDO CENT I NELL) Wo heard something about a CR2 
problem. Can you tell us about that? 

O'HARA We had a problem last evening with a GPC. Is that what 
you might be referring to last evening? It drives the CRT's. 
That may be what you heard. The transmission was something a bit 
like having your home TV slide down to the bottom of the picture 
tube. Okay, we'll this - only pertain to the countdown and the 
launch. ^he launch director and the - our director of Shuttle 
operations don'', monitor all of the things happening onboard the 
orbiter. That sort of thing will come out at the chanqe of shift 
briefings. Right here, Roy Neil. 


11/11/8 2 


ROY NKIL Were there anv anomalies that you could call to 

our attention, obviously if the launch was near perfect, but were 
there any anomalies on the way to the market place? 

O'HARA Roy, last night, we did have a problem when one of 

the GDCs , GPCs dropped off because of an error detected. We 
didn't know at first, this was about 6:30 last evening. We 
didn't know whether we would have to chanqe out the input/output 
device or CPU. But as it turns out, it was a flight software 
type anomaly that happens very rarely it's a timing problem that 
I couldn't even begin to explain, it takes one of these software 
wizards to explain it. They analyze data most of the night and 
carrie bark this morning and advised us that the situation was one 
that we could easily live with and the crew was advised as to 
what to do in the event it did occur. But the probability of it 
occurring was very very small, so the decision was made by the 
mission management team to proceed. That was the onlv 
significant, we had some power supply problems the night before 
last at the pad, ground support equipment, they were changed out, 
it was due to an over attempt situation. We replaced the fan, 
the unit." in the fans, and it turned out to be the problem. Tom 
I can't think of any other, were there any other? 

UPSMAN I'm sure everybody wants to know what happened to 

the regulator, and the regulator worked just perfectly when we 
turned it on at T-15 minutes. It was, you know, negligible 
leakage, it was completely flight worthy, as we've expected. 

u;nwif", is it fair to say then that von had a perfect 


O'HARA I would (garble) 

LUDWIG That you've never been able to say before? 

O'HARA That is during the last. It was as near perfect, 

Roy, as we could probably expect with such a complicated, you 
know, set of ground support equipment and a bi'.'d of this 
nature. It couldn't of did any better in our view. 

PAO This gentleman here. 

It sounded as thouqh you might have gotten a 
little less performance out of the solids than you expected, 
that correct? 

That's my understanding. Of course we did have a 
!ie?dwLnd that depressed the trajectory somewhat, that was 
expected. So I don't know whether or not it was under 
performance, but: we did expect that it would have a depressed 
trajectory because of the headwinds. 

STS-5 POST- LAUNCH p006kb 



PAO Dave Pooling, Huntsville Times 

POOLING How severe were the headwinds, were they any where 

near close to flight limits? 

O'HARA There's a lot of dialoq last night with JSC and 

the flight dynamics people. They were near the flight limits, 
but the upper winds decreased throughout the night, and about 
4:30 or 5, I believe it was Tom, wasn't it? We got a clear go 
for launch without any concern. But last evening, thev were 
marginal and the subject of quite a bit of discussion between our 
centers and the experts at JSC. 

UPSMAN I might just clarify a little, when we say 

marginal, they were approachinq what their design limit was, 
which would no way ioooardize anv factors of safety or any 
margins that we had in the design. 

DOOLING What were the wind speeds? 

O'HARA I don't recall them. 

UPRM Th jy were running, its about the 40,000 foot 

range, they were running about 90 miles an hour. And they were 
coming across in a cross component which was against the vertical 
stabilizer, which was giving a bending moment, it was a little 
bit different, from we've seen. 

PAO Reggie Turnhill from BBC 

TUKNHILL And it was noticable that the winds brouqht the 

clouds right over the top of the Cape here. Do you think they'll 
be any active rain fall out, can we expect a breakout in red 

O'HARA I won this one. People that went out right after 

and were in it, essentially said that it smelled about like 
clorox, and a household bleach consistency. We don't expect 
anything more than a household bleach, but again we're monitoring 
the prime fallout area will be to the west of this area. So we 
do have a team that looks at that, and we'll have the results 
some time today. 

PAO Do we have any additional questions? Right here, 

behind you. 

JODY ROLLY (WQOK) You're monitoring the cloud, are you 
monitoring it for the aluminum levels, where they may be 

O'HARA Yes, we look at the total deposition where they 

deposit for any change to the polige, anything that effects it, 

not onlV "lU:-,t to the .ICld, 

tike mud 1 e , t » ^ *h rt t> < 

concent r 
going on 


liftoff, on 

O'HARA I would 

there i s won : tor 1 nq , 1 
know there in ssome ins>t 
and we didn't anticipnt 
have that data some t 1 me 

PAO OKav, i! 

you all for corninq to o 

t of touqh 
expe f i merit th i n< 
;\\ DSOs, and wo 
t of which ones 

Worr'wo"! ook°u UU' ww'thivVoturi them.^We* configured the 
- 7 ~,<,~ »- or t u,, h n \4 0"^ left pod t'--:->t, we have the, we're in the 
I'ide <-.,n Ttt't"de now and the' left OMS nod is betnq cooled «o 
that we 'can do «'o W . RCS tent burns tomorrow. And we did taxe the 
th'nodoi.rt -r , K'-ppf , th-v -.»oTi fn q> ro,l well. One of the 
targets that we would 1 i ke to normally use was qmnq to he nqht 
3tr r ^ 0 tnn ^-^qp of those q.inshields on those deplovable 
pi/load..' Wit- tie sm^wns now closrl, ^ nn't qji'e oicjr 
the target up, so we suspected that that miqht happen and we had 
i little backup wtew up on the bottom of the vertical stabilizer 
aid rn*v -ere ible to ui* that and we oressed on with thit test, 
and the r-r^w did capture all the data for it. We stopoed one set 
of sponges and we started another set today as planned. And 
basically, as far as today, that is no,t of the significant items 
of accomplishment. We did qet a really qood hahitahility reoort 
that was dumtsed and I can run throuqh some of that if any ot 
ya'll are interested. 1 think the significant change that 
delayed the conference here was our discussions and deliberations 
on tomorrow's fliqht plan. And late in the evening we did advise 
the crew that we had finally made a decision to press on and do 
the EVA on fliqht day 5 instead ot fliqht day 4, basically just 

STS-5 CHANGE--OF-SHIFT BRIEFING p007ia 11/13/82 4:50pm PAGE 2 

swap some of the activities on those two days. It was not any 
overall f»»ar that we couldn't pull it off tomorrow and crew would 
have liked to have done it T think tomorrow, but it's just NASA 
beinq extra conservative and wanting to take the first EVA and 
qet as much as we can out of it, and let's have everybodv at a 
110 oercent. Private med conferences with Rill today indicated 
he was well on the way to being on the mend and feeling quite a 
bit better. We just felt, don't oush it. We were qoing to give 
them the option to say tomorrow morning to say whether thev 
wanted to do it or not, or what, that's rediculou*, why don't we 
just decide tonight, there's no reason not to do it that way, so 
that's what we did. Okay. 

PAO Roy Neil, NBC. 

John, can you, first of all, who passed up the 
word, what were the exact events leading up to this decision that 
vou just described? And what impact will this have on the follow 
on events, such things as what time now will the EVA be, will 
this impact the landing? Can you give us a little discussion m 
short . 

JOHN COX Okav, last part first, there won't be any impact 

on th<=> landing, we don't -,ee any reason that there's any 
difference there. When it's qoing to be, if you take a look at 
you can, I don't have the hours written down right now, but if 
you take a look at your two caps, the wake up and sleep times 
were the same for both fliqht day 4 and 5. So if you just too* 
them and wpr.L flip flop, you can figure out where the EVA is on 
fiieht day 5, that's all we did. T can give you an idea of what 
th*» changes were. The events that led up to it though, obviously 
vou' re aware of the nress conference earlier today, Tommy and Dr. 
Pool talked to you. 'Throughout the day we had the regular 
scheduled private medical and then there was one additional one 
which we had arranged with the crew in the mornings, said, well 
let's just have a couple more of them during the day. And Bill 
seemed to be feeling much better, but we just didn't see any 
reason to oush it. There's no reason the EVA's got to be on 
fliqht dav 4 or fliqht day «> or flight day 3, and it just happen 
to be where it was on the fliqht plan. So we said, hey look 
guys, let's just qive them another day and don't push it, that s 
what we did. 

NEIL Who actually passed up the word? 

JOHN COX The capcom. 

NEIL Who was it, who was on capcom at that time? 

JOHN COX That was John McBride on the planning team. 

PAO Okay, pick George Alexander L.A. Times back here. 

STS-5 CHANGE -OF- SHI FT BRIEFING p007ja 1. 1/1 3/82 4:S0pm PAGF. 3 

ALEXANDER John, two questions. (1) wi 1 1 Lenoir continue to 

take medication throuqh the rest of tomorrow to make nure that 
he's okay for the EVA on Monday? 

JOHN COX I don't know the exact protocol that the surgeon 

worked with them on that. He's feeling much better, and I don't 
think he's doing anything special at the moment. If you need any 
more detail, I can qet a surqeon to respond to that, but I don't 
think that there's any, it's just a matter if he feels good, and 
he didn't feel real good this morninq and you know how you feel 

ALEXANDER He did or did not feel too well this morninq? 

JOHN COX No that was the reason the Dress conference early 

this morninq. But he's feeling a lot better now, and I'm not 
aware that he's on any medication or anything special other than 
what everybody else is on, just everybody's aware and watching 
that kind of stuff, and I don't think anybody's having that many 
special problems right now. 

ALEXANDER Mv next question deals with questions that were 

posed to you in change of shift hriefinns, you were asked twice accordinq to the transcripts whether there were any 
manifestations of motion sickness, and you told us flatly no. My 
question is, w-:"e you beinq advised by the physicians on your 
shift as to the status of these quys? And if so, why didn't thev 
tell you that the crew, Overmver and Lenoir were not feeling too 
well? There does seem to be a discrepancy here, which I think a 
lot of us would like to get to the bottom of. 

JOHN COX Well, I think if you qo look at the time course of 

all this, flight day 1, I came to you after the private med , and 
after the orivate med on flight day I there was no report of any 
problems at that time, so I told you that. Fliqht day 2, I was 
informed from the private med that there had been an episode, but 
everybody was feel inq fine, and everybody was in qood shape. And 
I was never asked anythinq like that, and you asked me how the 
crew was, the crew was fine. We had no report of the private med 

ALEXANDER I think the questions were, "as there been any 

instances of motion sickness, and your answer was no, and 
Holloway's answer was no. In fact Paul Recer has 

PAO The question was somethinq like, are there any 

medical problems? 

ALEXANDER Is there still no air sickness, motion sicknes 

reported by the crew? That's what we've been told, absolutely no 
problem at all and you can tell by their skirts everybody is up, 
that's you, ."John. 

JOHN COX That's the way I felt at the time. 

STS-S CHANG*- Of- J FT BRIEFING pQ07ja 11/13/82 4: 50pm PARR 4 
At.RXANDBR at you knew at the time that Overmyer had been 

had not felt very well, 
what I understood at th 




covet up or anyth i 

that time that's 
question. Put th 
sickness, in cond 

of the fliqht 

ve, well, there'-, no deliberate try to 
nythinq like that, I'm tryinq to be as 
I'll tell vou everything I know and a 
I felt, and mavbc I misinterpreted the 
absolutely no problem with motion 
he fliqht or anything at that time. 





BR ROM AM .John, 
motion sickness prob 
we've had no problem: 

I 'd 



icnent , 
n i qan , wh i ch 
very depress 
to ground. Does that i 
Maybe we should have a 

cotnpl e te ly c 
not taking the 

fliqht surgeon here? 


10HN COX I can qet one, if you want to know 

medications or what not, that's not. When the flight surge, 
reoorts to us their health and what not, they give us a pre 
down of what's qoinq on. We don't get any specif i. 
nqle drug that they took, or what exactly is 
We're more concerned about the impact oi 
just like, if T had a syst. 


course here, 
and that part of 

the fliqht 

something like tha 

enqineerinq problem with an ROOM or . . 

people needed a qood explanation for that, I'd bring the RCOM in 
here, and he'd explain it. Well, if you want some more 
information, I'll bring a surqeon next time to talk. 

using it's 

The second part of my question, specifically, NASA 
using it. -a usual conservative fliqht planning, elected to put oft 
the EVA one day, which I don't think any of us can challenge. 
Certainly I don't think anyone here would. Was this because 
Lenoir was still down this afternoon? You said he's responding 
properly, or words to that effect. 

STS-5 CHANGE-OF-SH I FT RRIRFING p007ia U /1 1/82 4:S0pm PAGE 5 

TOMN COX The rpoort I had was that he wasn't tip to a 

hundred' percent yet. ' We didn't sec, what wo had arranqed 
him was qo ahead and wo can make the call tomorrow morning 
the more we scratch our head thinking about it, why mak" them 
even worry about that tonight, whether or not he'r, qoinq to do or 
not Whv don't we jur,t let them relax and get a qood mqht's 
sleen, we'll q i vc them an easv d ..v tomorrow, and we'll qo ahead 
and make the chanqe. So that was the reason we delayed the start 
of the conference here war, we were just ntill conferencing trying 
to figure out what wan really the smart thinq to do tomorr 
the smart thing in just don't push it. So that's what we did. 

PAO Lynn Sherr . 


today's - 
in feel i' 
com toda' 
said he' 

i f you c 
ou tell 

ndly, and wh<: 
a hundred or 

jn what in t 
from the :;c 
t did he sa> 
rcent, what 

is pec i f i c abou t 
;o evidence that Bill 
■ond nrivate medical 

Secondly, you have 
>e rcent is ho up to? 


86. 49 

STS-5 CHANGE-OP-SHIFT BRIEFING P007ib ll/n/82 4:<50pm PAGE 1 


How had 

wel 1 

JOHN COX I not the opinion that it was probably like, if 

vou have the grade it, somethinq like 90 percent or something, 
don't talk on the private mod, just the surqoon doer,, we get a 
feedback. There were three private meds, there was one this 
morning, there's a regular scheduled one, and there's one late 
the day. The one this morning was the one the crew requested. 
And you' heard all about that here. Shortly after that, there 
another private med, and at that time the report back 
it's too parly to tell. He's takinq his medications and 

o be on it's natural course. And then the 
was well he seems to have improved, but he 
ill doesn't feel 100 percent. 

KRR is it your understanding that that came from 

mself, or from the some other crew members? That he felt 
tter, but not perfect yet. 

everything se 


No, I don't kno 

I know, it came from Bill 
exactly what he said. 

ox act words, no. 

talking, the 
was probahly 

Hut in a private medical conference, everybody s 
surgeon and" the full flight crew so, I'm sure there 
a little bit of Vance Brand talking, and a little 
.enoir talking and every th inn. You know, I can't 
tell you exactly what was said, I wasn't there. 

PAO John Wilford New York Times. 

WILFORD In view of the way you responded to questions 

about Overmyer's situation the other day maybe we should ask more 
specifically. You said that Lenoir is feelinq better, not 100 
percent, does that mean that he's had no more vomit inq since the 
vomiting we were told about this morninq? Also, you say he's not 
taking anything right now, are we to conclude from that that he's 
not takinq anything right now literally, or that he hasn't taken 
anything since we last had a press conference. 

JOHN COX Okay, let me go back in reverse order. The first 

one was the comment about Bob Overmyer's condition. I think 
you'll find if you track that comment down, that was in flight 
day one, and 1 had absolutely no information. Flight day two 
when 1 talked to you folks, nobody ask me that. 

WILFORD Well, that's what I mean, I'm asking that. 

Cause you don't volunteer any information, we have to ask you 
specifically point by point as if we're lawyers. 

STS-5 CHANGE-OF-SH I FT BR I F.V I NG p007jh 11/11/82 -1:50pm PAGE 2 

JOHN COX WeH, I wish you didn't feel that wav , cause I'll 

tell you everything I know, if you ask me I'll, tell you. 

WILFORD Okay, well I'm askinq now. 

JOHN COX On Flight day 3, today I am not aware, me I'm not 

aware what the oositions are of the exact medications that he is 
on", I have not been told that he's been on anything special. And 
so riqht now, thev sav he's on the mend, I believe he's back to 
eating lightlv and drinking some. But I don't believe that 
there's been no overriding concern with them, and I say again, if 
you need to know some more I'll brinq a surgeon next time. Or 

also volu 
office at 

Wit, FORD 
mor n i nq . 

Wei 1 , the next sh i f t b 
eered that they can be co 
ny t ime . 

iefinq, or by the way they 
t acted through the PAO 

We don't know whether he' 
don't know what he's taking 

JOHN COX T don't know if he' 

and I don't know if the nhysician: 
him. They just said he's feeling 

vomited since this morning, 
chanqed any prescriptions on 
much better and he's not... 

they? The Flight Surgeons? 

JOHN COX Flight Surgeons. 

W I T,FORD When did thev tell you that? At what time? 

JOHN COX This afternoon, after the afternoon private 

medical conference. 

WILFORD Just before you told them about the F.VA being post 


JOHN COX No, much earlier than that. It was based upon 

that comment a couple hours earlier whenever the conference 
was. I can look it up on the timeline, but based upon that 
discussion we just caucused and cacaused and talked and talked 
and, we had left it with, well you'll be able to make that 
decision in the morning. We said that doesn't sound real sharp 
why don't we let him get a good nights sleep and tell him 

WILFORD I feel obliged also to ask you, are any of the 

other three, or are all the other three perfectly healthy? Have 
there been any .... 

STS-5 CHANGE -OF- SHI FT BRIEFING p007-jh 1 1/13/82 4:"S0pm PAGE 3 

JOHN COX To the best of my knowledge, what I've been told, 

nobody else is currently havinq any problem at all. I did have 

one report that Vance war. maybe not 100 percent, but he was 
feeling rine and was havinq no problems. 

WI LFORD When did you hear that? 

JOHN COX That was at the afternoon, at that middle one. 

WILFORD Did he take medicine? 

JOHN COX As far ar, I know he didn't. 

WILFORD Did he vomit? 

JOHN COX As far as I know he didn't, but I tell you, if you 

need those details, I'll brinq the surqeon. 

WILFORD I think the PAOs should know that we should of had 

a surqeon here. 

PAO Next witness. 

R*CID COLLINS (CBS) Well those were my questions also, and as we 
pointed out this afternoon, we qot the same answers from 
Holloway. War, there anybody on the consoles who didn't know that 
Overmver had been ill in day one? 

JOHN COX I don't think that anybody at private med time and 

thereafter on day one knew that. See that's the problem were 
havinq. Dr. Pool talked to you and he explained the problem on 
day one. At the time the private med was held, nobody had 
reported one. After that on day two or subsequent when that was 
first picked up, he probably said, hey, back yesterday I wasn't 
feeling real qood , and that's what delayed this whole talk with 

COLLINS But don't you.. 

JOHN COX As far as we knew.. 

COLLINS Don't you know everythinq that is available 

knowledge in that area when you qo on shift? When you take the 

JOHN COX What we get from our briefing from the surqeon is 

what is a reasonable thing to expect from talkinq to somebody 
about their state of health. And what we're mostly concerned 
about from the Flight Directors point of view is am I going to 

STS-5 CHANGE-OF-SHIFT BRIEFING p007ib 11/1.3/82 4 :50pm PAGE 4 

have a problem with the fliqht plan or changes that I should have 
to accommadate. The surqeon uses a little judgement and doesn't 
go through a blow bv blow description of any particular problem 
that somebody's havinq, just like if you ask somebody else how 
they're feeling, they probably won't, they'll give you a yes or 
I'm feeling pretty good, or was a little puny yesterday, we 
don't get a blow by blow description of everything. 

COLLINS This morning, the surgeon said he thought Lenoir 

could probably work today. Did he work today? 

JOHN COX Oh yes. 

COLLINS Was his schedule changed in any way to accommadate 


JOHN COX No, he had a pretty light schedule as they all did 

today. But I think you'll notice in the TV today, and he 
reported, and sounded in very good voice this afternoon about he 
was doing the EVA prep work, and we took that as a good sign that 
he was feeling well and was headed right on planning on doing the 
EVA . We were the ones who turned that around on the ground. 

PAO Pick up Paul Recer AP, and then then across to the 

other side. 

RECER Just for the record, your response to the question 

about air sickness the other day was absolutely no problem at 
all. What T'd like to know, after the private medical 
conference, prior to your coming over to meet with us, with whom 
did you discuss what you would tell us, and what did ya'll 
determine what it would be? That's one question, now I got 
another follow up. 

JOHN COX Okay well T talked to Ellen Schullman, the on 

console MOCR surqeon on the orbit team, and I just asked her how 
the crew was, I did not want to get involved with should I tell 
the press this or should I tell the press that. 

RECER Did you get involved with, hey should I tell the 
press this? 

JOHN COX No I didn't. 

E^CER Was there any discussion of that? 


RECER Was there any discussion about the level or the 

amount of candor that you would report to us? 

STS-5 CHANGE-OP-SHI FT BRIEFING p007jh ll/U/82 4:S0pm PAOB ^ 

JOHN COX The only thing that we did talk about is that there 

are certain things the flight director is told in these 
interviews with the surgeon and that's what I'll tell you. And 
anything else the surqeons consider is part of the private 
peragative for patient doctor relationship. 

RECER Did the surgeon at that time, tell you that there 

had been episodes of sickness? 

JOHN COX Did not tell me , and I did not ask. 

RECER He did not tell you that there had been episodes 

of air sickness. 

JOHN COX I knew that there had were this morning. I was 

not told that there were any more. 

RECER If I understand you correctly, prior to your coming 

over yesterday you were not told there had been any sickness? 

JOHN COX I was told that Bob had some problems but he was 

feeling fine. 

RECER Okay, but you were asked directly if there had 

been any sickness, and you said absolutely none. 

JOHN COX Well, I didn't interept that as being any 
sicknesses. As far as I was concerned 

RECER ■ Okay, are the results of these conferences, 

medical conferences passed along to other flight directors? I 
mean do all of you know essentially what went down during these.. 

JOHN COX Yes we leave some notes... 

RECER Okay then, can you explain why Holloway gave a 

similiar answer to a similiar question after there had been in 
fact episode of illness? Do you guys get together and discuss 
what your' re going to tell us? 

JOHN COX No, it's probably what we all knew and we're handy 

to each other. 

PAO Let's move over here to the next one. 

MIKE MEACHAM If Lenoir's still ill on Monday will you do an EVA 
with one person? What is the contingency? 

STS-5 CHANGE OK SHIFT BRIEFING p007ic 11/13/82 4: SO pm PAGE 1 

COX We talked about that some , as far as our flight rules are 
concerned we will press on and do that. We would like to be able 
to do it because he's key to the EVA and this is a developmental 
type EVA it's not a - you got to qo out and do this. You must 
realize that in this point of time we've completed the priority 
flight and all. the major objectives have been accomplished even 
though this is a neat thing that everybody would like to see 
done. The EVA , we're going to be doing flight after flight after 
flight so, with that as a preamble, we would like to do it we 
would like to do it with two men. As far as the rules are 
concerned we would go out and do it with one . ; .f we have to. 

MEACHAM If you don't hold it, what's that going to imply as far 
as testing the space suit and also the solar max repair suit ... 

COX It would probably mean that we would delay that evaluation 
for a couole of flights but it wouldn't have anything to do with 
the solar max. If you recall, the EVA was added to this flight, 
really late in the game has not been one of the basic things we 
needed to get done right now, but we thought well, the flight was 
comfortable enough as it was that we could put that in. 

MEACHAM I just want to clear up. You have made the decision 
that you go ahead and do it with one man. 

COX That's in the rules. That is the way we're set up right 
now but ... 

MEACHAM You sounded like the decision had been made to go ahead 
and do it with one man. 

COX No we haven't. The rules are written that way. 


COX The rules are written that we can do that EVA with one man. 

MEACHAM That decision hasn't been made yet. 

COX It hasn't. That's right we haven't come to that one yet. 
MEACHAM When is the last time that you can do the EVA? 
COX Fl ight day 5. 

MEACHAM What time on flight day S, early morning, ... 

COX Early morning. We'd want to get right into it because of 
the long prebreath required. You'd have to get somebody in - 
suited up and in the airlock and on the oxygen so you need ... 

MEACHAM So you couldn't do it late in the day on Monday, or 

STS-5 CHANGE OF SHIP" RRIFFTNG n(1.07 }C U/1V82 4:50 pm PACK 2 

COX The EVA itself 
the crew clay is anyh< 
much earlier. 

late as far as 
ively move that 


Paul Franchuck with VOA. 

nq that you would not want to do 
' r> terriblv risky. That's what I 
They like to work in a buddy 

FRANCHUCK It's mv understand* 
any EVA with one man because it 
was told by a PAO this morn i no. 
system out there. 

COX That's the way we like tr 
objection to that. That '« the 
do have a rule that says ... 

FRANCHUCK Then what would Hkelyhood be of doing an F.VA wi 
one man on monday? 

COX I can't give you a guess right now. That would he the 
reasons why and all that. We don't feel like there is an 
overridinq- Got to have 2 people, we prefer to have 2 people 
Just as you said it's a good buddy systems. 

pick up 

the hack, Al Slaqo, 

SLAGO New York Daily News So i f you did a one man FVA, 1 
assume it would be considerably shortened and you wouldn't be 
able to the solaral max experiment for inr.t- 
you accomplish on a one man EVA? 

What all would 

COX Truthfully, T haven't look 
probably do most of the tasks in 
the one RVA crewman timeline is. 
began talking seriously about 

it. I think we cou 1 d 
F.VA but T have not looked 
would be doinq that if we 

t . 


Next door over there. 

CHAKENTI (DIGEST) Three questions. First, given the fact that 
we don't have a lot of detailed information on the precise state 
of the crew, the health of the crewmembers in question, does the 
fact that they went ahead and did their EVA prep equate with some 
level of recovery? 

COX I believe that's - the way I interpret all that, they in 
fact they even pointed out to us and Bill's the one who pointed 
it out on the air to ground so. That was in the timeline today 
to do that and because Bill came up and told us about it I 

STS-5 CHANGE OF SHIFT BRIEFING p007jc 1 1/1 3/82 4:50 pm PAGE 3 

assumed that he was trying to emphasize the fact that he was 
feeling pretty qood or feelinq a lot better. That's just my 
interpretation of what I heard. 

CHANK INTI Okay, question 2 is the swap between fl.iqht days 4 
and 5. How exact a swap is it and what chanqes are there? If 
any . 

COX It's not a 1 for 1 swan. We talked about doinq just a 
plain 1 for 1. Well let me see if I can remember all of them. 
We start the day off prettv much the same, here we go. And we do 
the ter,t burns that apparently are on - what we're trying to do 
is keen the thermal attitude profile the same and do all the 
thermal test right on schedule so. You know, when we said that 
without looking at the changes we made, This is just an overview, 
it's actually probably a better flight plan and we kinda wonder 
why do we do it that way to start with to beqin with. *3ut we'll 
do the test burns and then we're probably goinq to pick up ;hat 
DEU swap out that we're talking about. We're going probably to 
pick that up tomorrow. We'll do the FCS checkout that was on 
flight day 5. We'll just move that in their tomorrow. We ' U do 
that LVH test that was on flight day 5, we're going to move that 
on in and then we're going to try and woi k in some cabin stow 
time that miqht have been dropped off by moving the EVA over to 
flight day 5. So those were for significant events. Most of the 
other small items that you'll see in the timeline will orobably 
stay about the same the IMU alignments will stay in there the 
same. When we simulated the EVA day back in training, we noticed 
that it was quite a push to do the prebreath, do the EVA 
activities, get back on it and take the same 2 guys that's been 
outside, get all their stuff cleaned up and then have the 
commander and the pilot, one upstairs without helping them much 
more and perform r > more test burns and in a row and we thought, 
you know, we pushed it. everytime we trained it. This probably 
would have been a better way to align them anyhow so that's what 
WP > ve ended up with and we're pretty confident that that would be 
what the crew will like anyhow. 

CHANKITI My third question sort of relates to that and that is 
what are the possible aspects of this new change that would force 
a landing a day later. I realize that if you land a day later 
you lose your extra cushion day at Edwards but are there 
considerations on it if someone isn't feelinq well that you would 
rather not have him come down when he's not up to full 
performance for the entry. Is there anythinq at all that you 
could think of that would push the landing forward or backup a 

COX The only thing that we every carried in our minds as far as 
entry day is concerned is pretty much dictated by the weather. I 
think that you saw on flight 3 we can get wrapped around on the 
axee on that. And you begin to look where the fronts are moving 

STS-5 CHANGE OF SHIFT BRIEFING p007ic 11/13/82 4 : SO pm PAGE 4 

and what not right now. If things look pretty good for nominal 

end of mission landing but that's about the only thing we really 

see out there is any reason to change things. You're always open 

for some other reason but we don't see anything at the moment. 

PAO Carlos Byars, Houston Chronicle. 

BYARS In light of the problems we've had in getting situations 
started out on the medical situation. Is there anything else 
lurking back here that we might be interested to know. Any 
little lurking problems with any part, piece, or partial item or 

COX Well, I'll run down some of the little funnies we found 
today. We did have a water leak or we found some water. Don't 
think it's a leak, as it turns out we may have a humidity 
separator not working up to 100 percent, but they reported that 
this morning and we sent them up a plan to start looking for the 
water and we had then pull some panels off the bottom and look 
around. All around the water tanks was dry, it looked really 
good and over where the slipDer Dlate and humidity separators are 
they did notice some - quite a bit of condensation built up in 
there. The slipper plate is quite cold and it's easy to 
condense. The separator you rely on to actually take the water 
out of the air and move it over to the waste tank. Looking at 
that data, which it has a very slow trend to it, looks like the 
waste tank water build up is not running as high as we would like 
to see it so, we say let's put 2 and 2 together and say let's 
turn on the other separator so we turned it on - we're running 
that way tonight, we're going to be watching it to see if water 
increases there but that was a fairly minor thing. Again, as far 
as the vehicle is concerned, we've been really pleased with it's 
oDeration. Which we had a circuit breaker pop. We thouqht the 
crew had bumped the other day. It was one of the comments I 
think - I made last niqht, that the crew thought they had bumped 
it. Well the circuit breaker was found out again today and 
happens to be the one with the Commanders COMM is on. So we took 
a look and found no current spikes on it, we'll probably reset 
that circuit breaker tomorrow and hopefully his panel will stay 
in good shape. We have a little cap that we can screw on the 
circuit breaker and hold it down to see if may be it's a 
mechanical problem, or it's just releasing itself since both 
times we haven't found in any current spikes. If it makes it to 
the end of mission we may just stay on it that way. We've also 
worked up an alternate routing for the COMM cables for entries in 
case we're not happy with what we see there. That's another 
thing that's going on. 

PAO Carlos follow up. 

BYARS What's the situation with your ailing CRT. I believe the 
crew did do some work on that today. Got that impression at 

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least. And what about a possible swap of that, which I presume 
would have been set for day 5? 

COX That was what I mentioned earlier. We think the problem is 
in the Displf.y Electronics Unit the DEU, as opposed to CRT 
itself. The reason why we were asking the questions today is the 
IBM folks that have analyzed the problem. What happened on the 
screen was that 1 quadrant had jumped from upper riqht to lower 
left and the rest of it went blank. It seemed like an awful 
strange way to flicker just before turning itself off. And so 
they began working on it and they did come up with a way that 
they can have a failure in the Display Electronics Unit that 
would have that signature on the screen, however, there was some 
question of, there's some other power supply funnies that may or 
may not influence the way that could happen and so we had a 
couple of questions that they wanted us to ask to see if we could 
isolate it and then, based upon the responses, it had to do with 
how sharp were the characters and how large were they and where 
did they qo. Based upon those responses they feel quite 
confident with the problem if they didn't duplicate on the 
ground, must be the riqht one and so we're were pressing on. We 
went the teleprinter message up today with instructions ... 

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COX (garble) on how to do the swap out and that will 

be in tomorrrow's fliqht plan. 

That will be in (qarble)? 

JOHN COX No, that will be in tomorrows fliqht plan. 

PAO Okay, Jules. 

JULES BERGMAN ABC NEWS John, if tomorrow afternoon, come mid 
afternoon, Bill Lenoir is still not feeling up to snuff, or 100 
percent or any euphenistic you care to put it. Are you likely, 
is NASA manaqement likely to decide to qo the one-man EVA route 
Monday, or extend the flight by one day, to do a two-man EVA? 

JOHN COX We haven't even hit that one yet Jules. I don't 

know of any special changes that we're to do at this moment right 
now everybody's expecting Bill to be at 100 percent and press on 
the way we got it right now. 

PAO Lynn, do you still have a question? 

LYNN SHERR ABC I've got more questions nr. Pool, as long as 
your here. 

POOL It's a privilege. 

SHERR I wonder if you could start first with today. 

Could you tell us please everything you can about how Bill has 
reported he is feeling today and why John has told us that he 
believes he's feelinq better. 

POOL Alriqht, we talked to them three times today, which 

is unusual. The first conversation we had this morning, he 
indicated to us that the day before, first day he didn't have any 
problems. Second day he began to feel some malaise, and that 
evening he ate supper, went to bed, and got up tne next morning, 
this morning, ate a little bit of breakfast, and shortly after 
that had an episode of vomiting, and that precipitated a call 
from the spacecraft that we'd like to talk, privately. And 
during that conversation, we qot this story. We said, T think, 
we'd better consider the EVA option, if this problem continues 
today, we have to start thinking about that. And we mentioned at 
that point, that it was fairly easy for us to change the 
operational scenerio. Second time we talked, well, we went ahead 
the first time and advised that he take some medication, 
specif icallly Phenagan, and take it fairly easy. Second time we 
talked to them, he said he had taken the medication and that the 
symptoms, specifically the nausea, was gone. The third time we 
talked, well that was a very short conversation. The third time 
we talked with them, which was not very long aqo now he said ho 
was feeling much better. And that he had had some fluids today, 

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but had not eaten anything yet, this was before supper. 

JULES BERGMAN Dr. Pool, is he on Phenagan now? Or how often 

does one take Phenaqan and will he take Phenagan or Scopedex 
tonite or tomorrow? 

DR. POOL No, he's had one as the best I understand it. H 

taken one Phenaqan and we recommended this evening that if he 
felt like it, he could take something for sleep, Dalmaine. 

DR. POOL Dalmaine. And he would, we would reevaluate the 

situation in the morninq. 

BERGMAN Supposing he's not feeling better in the morning. 

And the second part to that question, are any other crewmembers 
feeling motion sickness, space sickness, any other discomfort now 
that we should know about? 

DR. POOL At this time, no. Let me explain something about 

these symptoms, I think there's a very important point here. The 
symptoms in the first few days of adaptation to space flight vary 
from individual to individual. They also sort of come and qo, in 
ebb and flow in people. There may be times during the day when 
these people feel very well, and then times when they don't feel 
well. And that's a fairly consistent story that they give us. 
Now as far as Overmyer was concerned I think he had a very good 
day today, and appears to have adapted, and is not havinq a 
problem. The other two crewman haven't had a problem. 

PAO John Wilford. 

WILFORD When you say, at this time, do you mean literally 

this point in time? 

POOL Based on the . . . 

WILFORD Do you mean that he has had somethinq earlier in 

the day that we should know about? And have any of the other 3 
taken any medicine. We find we have to ask questions like this, 
because otherwise we don't get any straight answers. You've not 
been forthcoming. 

POOL Well I'll try to be forthcoming. Those were a lot 

of questions. First place, as to this moment in time, I'm not in 
communications with the spacecraft. At this precise moment, 
thereafter, I'm a little at risk in saying that things are all 
copesetic okay, but to the extend of my ability, in retrospect 
after these three discussions with the crew today, it is my 
opinion that these people, with the exception of Lenoir, are 
doing very well. And Lenoir is improving. 

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WILFORD Are any of the other three taking medicine? 



POOL J don't know, T was tryinq to be very careful, 
it's been a long day. 

WILFORD So no, none of the other three have taken medicine 
today . 

POOI, I don't think no. 

PAO Okay, let's take one or two more than qo to the 

other centers. Way across the yard here, over on the tahle. 

STEVE CROFT CBS NEWS I'm a little bit confused, this is for Mr. 
Cox. Jules just asked a second ago, if it was a posshility that 
the flight could be extended, and you said that we hadn't gotten 
to that. Is there a possibility that the flight could be 

JOHN COX Certainly, that's always an option. As a matter of 

fact, we carry consumables and we have alternate type of hack up 
planninq where we could go a couple more days if we need, and we 
can stretch if we want to powerdown and do things 1 i k,? that. So, 
there's an option as far as just a planninq too), we can always 
do that. 

CROFT Is it a possibility that it could be extended to 

accommoadate the EVA with two people? Rather than extending it 
just for weather conditions? 

JOHN COX If looking back on what it took to do a one day, 

one man EVA versus a two, if we thought we'd qet that much more 
that it was worth the trouble doing that, I think we'd probably 
opt for that. But at this moment, we don't see that. 

PAO Take one right there. 

Dr. Pool, you mentioned that the symptoms are 
somewhat quirky, they come and go. If this is the case, how long 
do you have to wait before you know that there not going to 
suffer from these symptoms, because if the man is in there, in 
his spacesuit and out there, he starts gagging he's in big 
trouble. How many hours do you have to wait before you know 
there is not going to be a recurrencee of symptoms? 

POOL Seems to be a good question. I think the 

experiences we've had to date, would say by the end of the fourth 
day, we're pretty certain that most people have adapted. In 

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fact by the end of the third day, most people are doinq better, 
or pretty well, it's the first and second day, and part of the 
third day that we experience some difficulty in this. 

PAO Okay, back to CBS... 

CBS Have you been able to establish any correlation 

between the episodes of motion sickness and any physical 
activity, in other words, were they coming after periods of 
physical activity, is there or anythinq at all that you see that 
may be bringinq about these episodes? 

POOL Well, going back to the very early days of space 

fliqht we flew a fair number of people and hadn't had any overt 
problems with motion sickness, and I think perhaos that had to do 
with the size of the cockpit, the fact that they were pretty well 
tucked in, maybe. Again we're hypothesizing here, we have had 
several experiences in which the symptoms occurred after 
something like takinq off the spacesuit, and of course, in taking 
off the spacesuit in that environment there is a good deal of 
moving around, so I guess the general noticn is that movement may 
have something to do with the development of symptoms. And our 
general advise, if you have symptoms is to try to minimize your 
quick head movements. It means you can do much of what you need 
to do, and clearly our people do perform rather well, even though 
thev're having these occasional oeriods of problem. But head 
movements, we think, do play a role in the development of 
symptoms . 


POOL I don't know, in the private ME!") COMMS , we've 

really not had time to qet into that sort of dialogue with 
them. We, in the preflight period, talk alot about this with 
them during our medical traininq meetings, and we talk about the 
fact, that people who've been there before sav that rapid head 
movements in the early hours of space flight may percipitate 
symptoms, they know that. 

Re id Col 1 i ns, CRS . 

Dr. Pool, does the pure oxygen environment have any 
any physiological influence on the condition of 


You mean in the suits? Yes in the suits. 
Okay, let me see if I can.... 


influence, or 





Well, what I'm getting at is 

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POOL ...try that on for size. There are a number of 

things that happen if you stay in a pure oxygen environment for a 
long period of time. And here I mean maybe days, it may effect 
the lungs, dry out the tissues and that sort of thing. There are 
some antidotetal data in the system, pilots seem to like to qet 
on the oxygen system after having a hard dav the day before. 
(Lauqhter) And night as Jules says. 

COLLINS What I'm wondering is, with specific regard to a 

man who is ill, or queasy or motion sick, does pure oxygen have 
any effect (garble) or benificial to him? 

POOL Well, the Russians did a study on just that 

subject, and we followed it up with a study in which we had 
people exposed in a provocative environment which would stimulate 
motion sickness, and we had them breathe 100 percent oxygen... 


nr. Pool ...oxygen at 14.7 psi , we could find no 

statistical difference in the incidence of motion sickness in 
those individuals. It was a small study, so I don ' t know that 
that's a final answer, but maybe that's an indication. 

PAO Back behind Reed there, next row back. 

Can you tell me how this type of motion sickness 
compares to other motion sicknesses, like from boat or plane or 
high altitude or you know various things, that kind of a 
compa r i son . 

DR. POOL 1 can try, but one of the reasons we sort of 

cauqht SD.1CO sickness, rather than, and then sometimes we si in 
and sav motion sickness. The svmptoms are not exactly the same, 
and that is a very tnterestinq point. Some people in the space 
environment have had vomit tinq the prodrome of nausea. 
And in most of the terrestrial exposures, people who are going to 
have the problem, have some nausea prior to the development of 
vomittinq. And that has happened on several occasions in space 
f liqht . 

Dr. Pool, I've qot four questions, T believe 
here. Briefly, T think John had mentioned something about Vance 
having a mild set of symptoms, do you concur? I believe I heard 
you mention Voice having a little bit. 

Dr. POOL I don't recall in any symptoms on the oart of the 

commander with regard to motion sickness. 

COX It might not have been motion sickness. You just 

characterized that he wasn't at a 100 percent today, it was a 
headache as a matter of fact. 

POOL He miahf have said somehtinq about a headache. 

Okay, when you had vour final private medical of 
the day, did you ask Vance's opinion or Bob's or Bill's or Joe's 
opinion on the EVA, whether they ought to qo. 

DR. POOL Yes we did. 

And what was their reply? 

DR. POOL Vance thought that the planninq miqht be an issue, 

and that in his judgement, if it would be easier from a planninq 
point of view that we miqht ought to go ahead and trade day 4 for 
day 5, etc. Lenoir also commented on the subject and said he 
felt pretty qood and he thought that from his perspective, at 
least, if he qot a good niqht's rest that he would be ready in 
the morning. 

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decision process, was Vance's view 

oil certainly the commander ' s view is important 
f courso. 


DR. POO(, Woll, I think we took the whole picture and looked 

at" it and r.aid, von know, it's fairly easy to trade out these 
days. The commander is concerned that perhaps that there may be 
a schedulinq or planninn problem associated wit)-, you know, 
waiting until an hour after wake up in the morninq to make this 
decision. And we decided to qo ahead and make that decision now. 

Okay, and another couole that are on the motion 
sickness issue in qeneral. Are you looking to possibly to flying 
the Soviet designed head restriction can on mission 6? 

JOHN COX On mission 6? 

JOHN COX I don't believe that's in our plan, at this point 

in time, it could be very easily in the ha:->e lined plan. I've 
seen pictures of that device, it looks rather simple, we could 
probably j im one uo if somebody thouqht that were a particularly 
good idea. 

And then the last one relates to the prebreathe , T 
do not believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe 
anyone has ever prebreathed, period in zero-g. And my question 
relates to circulation, do you think circulation in the no 
prebreathe in Skylab was off r , psi? 

JOHN COX Well, partially yes, partially no. T guess we've 

not prebreathed prior to an EVA, in space. But remember, wc used 
to launch the spacecraft ^ 14.7 and let it bleed down, and that 
sort of thinq You know, there may have been some washing out of 
r.itroqen in that process too. We used to prebreathe on the 
ground before we went up. So basically, yes, the answer is 
yes. You do not prebreathe in zero-q, yes. 

Any issue on circulation? Blood to the leqs, 
blood to the head, in this issue? 

DR. POOL We've given that very careful thought, and we did 

a study in which we put people 6 deqrees head down and did 
nitrogen washout. And apparently under those circumstances, the 
so called fast responding tissues, blood, fluids, basically 
washout very fast. Faster than they would in the horizontal STS- 

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position. So the conclusion from that was that perhaps in zero- 
q, the fast responding tissues might wash the nitrogen out 
faster. But there are confounding facers, there's the issue of 
the adaptive dehydration that you qet in the nil qravity 
environment, say a 10 percent dehydtation. We know dehydration 
adversely effects, nitrogen washouts. We have two confounding 
factors involved, nitrogen washout and zero-q, at least two, 
there may be more. 

I think, to summarize this is to pre-breathe in 
zero-g ought to give you better (garbled). 

JOHN COX No, I can't reach that conclusion, not based on 

the limited understanding we have of that process. 

PAO Let's take Andy Chakins question, then go to the 

other centers. 

CfiAK INS Thanks. I won't ask, by the way, about the 18 and 

a half minute qap in the crew transcripts, but one question for 
Dr. Pool and one for John. Dr. Pool, are you qetting medical eye 
movement data on Bill Lenoir, and does the fact that he is 
actually experiencing the sickness add to the value, obviously it 
must add to the value of that data, are you qetting that data 
from him? 

DR. POOL We have gotten good data on Joe Allen, and we have 

a short segment on Bill Lenoir. We're very pleased with the 
quality of that data. We are still in the process of analyzinq 

CHAKINS Okay, thank you. And John, is there chance that 

Bill would be allowed to do the EVA just for safety 
considerations and other. But, for example, required not to do 
the translation or anything else that might aqgravate his 
recovery, or would it be a qo/no-go? 

JOHN COX 1 don't believe that there's anything special like 

that in the plan. He's not going to go out if he's not feelinq 
well. And if he'.« going to go out, he's going to do the EVA. 

PAO Okay, let's switch now to KSC. 

KSC We have a couple of questions. 

JOHN PINE (REUTERS NEWS AGENCY) Did Allen and Lenoir complete 
all of the EVA prepartions as if thev were qoinq out tomorrow 
morning? And second question was, who's idea was it exactly to 
bring on the insigmia commemorating the first balloon fliqht in 
France in 1783? 

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JOHN COX They didn't, as far as the EVA prep is concerned, 

they did accomplish all. the things they were supposed to do the 
niqht before. It's getting all the gear unstowed out of the 
lockers and what not, and moved into the airlock and battery 
charging done or checked and what not. So being off the visors 
and so all that work has been done, everything that that were 
supposed to do tonight in preparation for an EVA tomorrow. As 
far as the loqos go, I can't tell you a whole lot about that, 
they had it onboard and there it was. They did have a... 

That was first manned balloon flight incidentally. 

JOHN COX There you go, probably can't add anything more to 


.....JACK (UPI) Flight director says that he provides the 
information at the news conference that he picks up from flight 
surgeon. He said earlier that he had understood that Brand had 
some discomfort. When did he get that and had he had it in any 
point in the mission? 

JOHN COX Bevond that I made that he was, I didn't think 

that he was f< ling at a 100 percent one day. T believe that was 
the second day. And as I've been sittinq here, Allen told me 
that he had a headache. 

DR. POOL We didn't relate that to motion sickness at all, 

and it was very minor. 

PAO JSC, you still there? Okay, let's qo to Marshall. 

MARSHALL If the EVA is scrubbed on this mission, would Joe 

Allen be likely to be reflown on the next EVA opportunities, 
since you know that he doesn't get sick? 

JOHN COX I don't if that's correct, I couldn't give you an 

answer, one way or another, as far as crew selection for what 
tasks are concerned. A lot of factors that go into putting 
together a flight crew. And I'm sure Joe will be considered 
along with anybodv else that has the qualifications to perform 
the EVA tasks in ; , md has the trai ning background and what not. 

DR. POOL There's another point that might be made here. 

We've had very limited experience with flying people a second 
time in space. An:* I think it might be a very eroneous 
conclusion to draw to say that those who have been ill before 
will be ill again. 

BERGMAN Okay, follow up on that, expanding a little bit. 

Dr. Pool has there been any discussion of, since the Shuttle can 
take 6 or 7 people at a time, has there been any talk of flying 
extra crewman so that you'd have a spare in case something like 

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this happens :>n a time critcal mission. We're talking about 4 
days to adapt., if you've qot to do somethinq in 3 days, and 
everybody is sick, that just shoots the mission right there. 

DR. POOL No, I don't recall any discussions of that. We've 

lobbied a little bit to put some extra crewmen onboard from time 
to time, but basically for our purposes. 

BERGMAN And finally, on your earlier statement about being 

erroneous to assume that if they go the second time they'll get 
sick, and perhaps just as erroneous to assume that they weren't 
sick the first time, they won't be the second. Have you... 

STS-S CHANGE-OF-SHIKT HRTRPING p007jf 11/13/82 4:50pm PARE I 

...we qo the second time, they'll qet sick and 
perhaps just (qarble) to assume they weren't sick tK- first time 
they won't be the second. Have you (garbled) to qet quick 
refliqht of crewman. Refly then 1 or 2 times just to find out 
what happens in repetition. 

POOL Nothing much discussion of that. Rut that's 

certainly a consideration. 

PAO No more questions from Marshall. 

PA0 Okay, back here, Lynn Sherr, ABC, almost did it 


LYNN SHERR ARC John, you said before that by switching the EVA 
to Friday that it makes it probably a better flight plan, sorry, 
switchinq the EVA to Monday. Why was the EVA to Tuesday, why was 
the EVA originally out in on the day it was put in? 

COX Well, we had - originally the flight was a day 

shorter. Back when this was originally put together and sometime 
last summer we went ahead and added an extra day. So happened on 
the day before entry we had the FCS checkout where we check out 
all the systems that we use for entry, and it seemed like that 
was a, that along with the thermal timeline, seemed like well 
let's use our entry system checkout the day before entry. Sounds 
like a good time to check it out, just prior to using it. So it 
wasn't a whole lot of druthers and we said well, that's a little 
one. Let's go ahead and put it the day before that, you go back 
and scratch your head and say are we consistent in that. No, 
last night I think we did the FC? checkout on day 3 of the 7 day 
fliqht, or 4, or something like that. I that that was any major 
s ..nng, it just had to go some day and it went that day. 

SHERR So there were no constraints on the EVA in terms 

of time for preparing for landing, that made you put it the day 
before. You're saying... 

COX No, we wanted to qet the deploys off. That was 

the business, and then we had to, had these other days we had 3 
days now left in the flight, and we said, well let's give tnem a 
day off after doing the deploys that was the high activity 
period, and let's do that, then we've got these other two days 
left and one of them would be good. 

PAO Let's take one or two more then we'll wrap it up, 

BERGMAN Dr. Pool I'm troubled by one thing, you've done all 

those other studies has it occurred to you that jalapenos might 
be an elimate is this?. 

STS-5 CHANGE-OF-SHIFT BRIEFING p007jf 11/13/82 4:50pm PAGE 2 

POOL Yes. (Laughter) 

BERGMAN I'm serious. No they're very acidic, are they not, 

very spicy, are they not? And I'd like to know who approved Bill 
Lenoir taking them aboard. What dumb dumb? 

POOL Well I quess Bill Lenoir and I got together and 

decided that, since he liked them, I'll take the heat for that. 
My guess is he hasn't eaten any, as a matter of fact I think some 
of the other crewmembers might, but I don't think he has. I 
don't know, I honestly don't know. 

PAO Okay, back over here on the aisle. 

POOL Today I don't think he's had any. (Lauqhter) 

PAO Way back over on the side. 

JERRY HANNASEN TIME MAGAZINE The first question to Dr. Pool, 
Dr. Pool does vertigo! figure in this process of nauseu, Malaise 

POOL No, there aren't many reports of vertigol from 

these crewmen, in association with these symptoms. 

HANNASEN Okay, John, one for you, would you bring us up to 

speed on the state of the lakebed and predictions on the weather, 
does it look we can likely make it into the lakebed or will we qo 
with the hard surface at Edwards? 

COX Well, I think the decision's already been made 

that the lakebed will not be acceptable, we're not planning on 
going there. We're looking at the concrete runway at Edwards, 
that's probably the prime place we're headed right now. Looking 
at the weather briefing we had this afternoon in the control 
center, I recall Northrup is kind of marginal for a day or two 
here then it looks like it'll probably clear up, there's a 
frontal activity that'll probably move in towards the Cape and 
maybe cause a few problems in there but it looked like, keep your 
fingers crossed, on nominal end of mission landing day, things 
looking to be pretty good at all the United States landing 
opportunities, maybe a little bit of wind would get in there, but 
as far as heavy cloud cover, or rain in the vicinity, or what 
not, it looked like that part was gonna be okay, there was 
something that looked like it was building off of, up in the 
upper altitudes off the west coast, that, if that doesn't develop 
into anything, we'll be in good shape, if it does it may give us 
some problems out on the west coast, so it may be, asking a 
weatherman to forecast 3 or 4 days out is tough. 


Craig Covault, Aviation Week. 

STS-S CHANGR-OF-SHIFT BRIEFING p007jf 11/13/82 4 : SOpra PAGF. 3 

CRAIG COVAUI/r AVIATION WKRK Okay two questions, one for John, 
and one for Sam. John, could you review very briefly some of the 
more important points of Bob Overmver's hahitability four man in 
one spacecraft remarks? 

Cox I don't have this all word, for word but he 

commented on the restraints, I think you may have heard some of 
them on the air to ground awhile aqo, the way they keep 
themselves positioned at a workstation, we have these little 
suction shoes that you can use, and there's also a tapedown 
system that the Mattingly crew last fliqht came up with that they 
Hked, as a matter of fact, what they did was they just took tape 
and turned them inside out, hooked them onto the bottom of their 
feet so thev could attach themselves to places and so we made up 
some little' slipper-like devices, and those worked the best they 
said, and the comments afterwards, they wished they had a whole 
row of them thev could iust set up in front of the lockers and 
anytime they needed to work near a locker or qet somethinq out or 
unstow they would have a places to qo slip their feet in. That 
was one of the comments they had there, they didn't think much on 
the suction shoes. They just don't seem to stay when you want 
them, and they seem to release when you don't want them. 

COVAULT I was under the impression that perhaps you had a 

voice dump on a tape. 

COX We did. 

COVAULT Any comment about crowdinq or none crowdinq more 

comfortable then they thought? 

COX Let me go through a few of these, there were some 

comments on that, but not adverse they kind of related to, for 
example, in the food system, they have these food trays that they 
use and they'are attached maqnetically to wherever you want to 
place them, and they had commented it was kind of a nuisance, 
because people would move by, you could bang them and then the 
magnets weren't apparently strong enough and they were getting 
quite a bit of contact with them, so that was sort of an 
annoyance type of factor and I kind of interpret that as probably 
due to the extra crewmen. They did take also a stab at 
explaining their sleep configuration and that you might congure 
up a picture that would look almost kind of comical. Nobody is 
tethering themselves. Apparently they did try some techniques 
like that, but it sounds like, you may just find anybody floating 
in almost any position on the middeck, that's where they're 
sleeping, and they've tried the sleeping bags, and just letting 
themselves float free and I think they commented that Joe spent 
the night last night floated up near the top of the middeck. Bob 
had tried sleeping behind the DFI pallets I think the first 
night, and managed to work his way out into some free floating 
area the second night, and they gave us some comments about Bill 

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and Vance, but it was garbled and we weiiL back toniqht and asked 
them to go ahead and repeat that for us sometime, it did not come 
down clear, but the summation at the end of that was that all of 
them feel that they could sleep quite easily as lonq as they have 
enouqh warmth, even a sleeping bag or extra clothes, and just 
floating free. So apparently, nobody's tethering, you just look 
in there and see peoDle just floating all over the spacecraft. 

COVAUr/r Okay, and then the last one for Sam that I have I 

guess is, considering Shuttle is a multibillion dollar tax-payer 

effort and this is a free country, I'm curious in your opinion 
and what you think the crew's opinions are on an airing out of 
medical difficulties to the extent we've all drilled you on 
tonight, both from doctor-patient relationship, and secondly, on 
that fact that when these quys get home, more importantly I 
suppose the guys over in the astronaut office seeing this, do you 
have any concern that next trip up somebody' 11 be sick and say, 
I'll be damned if I'm gonna tell Pool this, and get back to the 
wav things were in Skylab where we had a quy, had a crew, that 
wanted to throw it away and not tell you all? 

POOL You know, I think, first I appreciate the 

question, it's a good question. It's one I've wrestled with a 
lot, and I think some of the crewmembers have wrestled with a 
lot. We go into some exquisite detail occasionally on this 
subject and by doinq so, I think we make more of this subject 
than it's really worthy of. These people perform well, I chink 
we've all. seen examples of that in flight, extremely well, even 
when they're feeling these occasional episodes of illness, that's 
an important point to remember. We've been, I hope as honest and 
as open as we could be with you on this subject, but hopefully, 
in the mature operations here of the Shuttle we would adopt a 
more mature approach to this discussion, the subject of 50% of 
the oeoole having motion sickness, we're going to probably have 
to deal with that for quite awhile until we find some effective 
counter measures. With regard to how the astronauts feel on the 
subject I hesitate to speak for them, but I can note that I have 
had several discussions with them on the subject, and there are 
those in the corp who say well, it's probably gonna be public 
anyway, so let it be. There are those in the corp who said, hey 
enough. This is too much, you know, why don't you just say a 
couple of them got sick and you can even name the names but we 
don't have to go into these details. Sometimes I think dosage of 
medication, how many times its taken, and so forth maybe we can, 
I don't know. My bias is to say that we make to much of it by 
doing that, and I that makes me uncomfortable. 

PAO Steve. 

STEVE Is this the biggest single medical problem you've 

encountered sending people into space and what's your priority in 
terms of solving it? 

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POOL Well, certainly in terms of the shorter missions 

this entity is an aggrevation and on occasion, impacts the 
mission. We've been pretty fortunate not to have anybody really 
get, I would say, protracted illness in space. They all. seem to 
adapt. So it's an entity with which we're concerned and we have 
an investment of resources in research and we're trying to find 
some countermeasures. There's also the cardiovascular 
decondit ioning which occurs and certainly comes to . . . 

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JOHN COX And certainly comes the play on the longer 

missions. We are testing some counter measures as you may 
know. On the Last mission we tested a salt and water loading 
counter mission, counter measured toward the end of that mission 
and we came back with an orifice static tolerance which was far 
better than we had had on the previous missions. We're very 
pleased about that. If you look at the long duration mission 
such perhaps we may have in the space station environment then 
bone mineral loss becomes a factor with which we must deal. 
We're working on each of these entities in sort of that order of 
pr ior i ty . 

PAO Okay, Carlos, you've got the last one. 

CARLOS And thank you for your response on that last one 

Sam, that was excellent. This has to do with that infamous old 
cross wind landing. Ts there any possibility the weather 
patterns that are developing on the West coast for entry day 
might allow you to qet your crosswind landing on the concrete? 

JOHN COX Oh, I think if we end up going there, and it's 

available we have one runway to go for us. So if it's available 
we would have it. 

CARLOS In other words, it will be iust pretty much a 

matter of luck. There's nothing you can see in the weather, the 
weather people can see, that might indicate it's a decent chance 
for it? 

JOHN COX Well, I think if you had to look at the weather we 

had today, and we were kind of headinq, you might be thinking 
you'd have a nice really clear light wind type of day. The whole 
hypothesis was this thing that may be developing up in the upper 
levels, and does that turn out to be something and right now its 
probably too far away to guess. 

PAO Before we break here the SBS 3 apogee kick motor 

was ignited at 4:45 local time, and the satellite is in a 
satisfactory near it's geosyncronous orbit, says here. Okay, 
thank you. 

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PA0 Okay, all welcome, qood afternoon. I think it's 

afternoon to our chanqe of shift press conference for the off 
going fliqht team and with us is Tommy Holloway, fliqht director 
for the ascent/entry fliqht control team and he'll tell you about 
the proceedinq, however many hours on his shift and what 
happened. Tommy? 

HOLLOWAY Good afternoon ladies and qentlemen. It's a pleasure 
to be here. First of all I'm very p.'.eased with the progress of 
the Shuttle 5 fliqht. At this point in the flight we're doing 
exceptionally well. The crew is performing exceptionally well 
and I believe the record will bear out at this point we're 
accomplishina 100 percent of our objectives and are doing 
exceptionally well. I would summarize the vehicle as being the 
best we have ever had and I'm hopeful that that's what we have to 
look forward to as the Shuttle program goes on. So at this point 
in the program the fliqht crews status is also the same; 
exceptional. All of the crewman are doing well today. We have 
had 2 private medical conferences this morning. The first one 
was at 2 days 19 hours 5 minutes over Orroral Valley, the second 
one was at 3 days 4 hours 58 minutes over Hawaii just a few 
minutes ago. Bill Lenoir reports that he is doing better every 
hour and he thouqht he was at 100 percent this morninq so I 
presume that he is at a 105 now and we're really looking forward 
to the opportunity to do the EVA tomorrow. In terms of the kinds 
of things you like to ask about as it relates to medication and 
episodes with adapting to spacefliaht, there has been no changes 
sinces Dr. Pool briefed you last evening and the day before and 
what I mean by that that there has been no further incidences of 
adaptation problems nor have there been any further medication 
taken by any of the crewman. As you know because we were 
interested in providing the opportunity to provide 100 percent 
crewman when we performed the EVA, we've delayed that till 
tomorrow. We expect that EVA qoing outside at least, start time 
tomorrow will be in elapsed time for 4 days 0 hours and 30 
'ninutes. That 6:50 eastern standard time so you are going to 
have to get up early. I got up last night at 11:00 pm so that s 
noing to be a problem for me but for some of you it might be. In 
t - -\s of the - what has gone on today, we have executed the 6 

rs of the flight plan that was scheduled on flight day 5, 
that's tomorrow. We're executing it today so we can take the 
same 6 hours and do the EVA tomorrow. Some of those things 
include an aft RCS thermal engine soakback burn that has been 
successfully completed. FCS checkout where we checkout the 
health - and status of the Columbia and I'm glad to report that 
the Columbia systems as it relates to the entry, flight control 
system <s 100 percent. We found absolutely no anomalies and we 
anticipate it will stay that way. Additionally, we stowed the 
radiators today and they will remain stowed until we get on the 
ground. We successfully performed the inflight maintenance to 
trade the cables, swap the cables of DEU 4 and DEU 2 and have 
successfully regained the use of the pilot CRT. Probably at this 

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time are checkinq out that CRT but it is already functioning 
jn d I'm 100 oercem" confident or at least 99.9 and thats pretty - 
t at thV kind of probabilities wp like in the space business that 
tne CRT is functioninq at this time. We have accomplished some 
student experiments todav. The convection current experiment and 
the vounq man who is responsible for that, in fact, it 
room' today and if you would like to talk to him at a later time 
T'm -ure he'd be happy to do that. The - we conducted an 

np o o the vent system to 3 ee where we think the water is 
cominq from that's collating on the floor and believe it's 
simply a reaction to a clamp that's on a tube * Y«nt tube of co1d 
- of that vent qettinq cold and moisture collecting in the 
area. Additionally we performed a minus 7. COAS CATj a few minutes 
ago about an hour ago and calibrated the mi nus '.COAS . That s 
the one that looks perpendicular out the top of the vehicle. 
Earlier today last evening we experienced a power failure over i n 
the control center. I will briefly describe that Cor you since 
there is a couple of you I'm sure are interested m it. he have 
4 power busses in the control center that provide power for the 
var'ous eauioments around the building. They're called Al. , A2, 
Bi/and B2. Well Al last night experienced a short at the 
interface in a filter and that short had no impact on the 
remaining three busses. But as fate *iqht have it, the computer 
that we were usinq to drive the control center 
that particular bus at the time and we lost the 
of time which ended up costing us or not costing us anything.^ V*e 
were not able to monitor the spaceship Columbia over Dakar ana 
Madrid for 2 passes. Verv shortly after those oasses we 
recovered the system and played the data back off of the range 
into the system and looked at the data in realtime and p 
playback. Since that time, the control center maintenance people 
have been going about their business of regaining the "tegrity 
of the system over in the control center and at this time, or 
verv shortly we will be back to status where we have redundant 
busses' and redundant systems operating in the control center. 
Now in anticipation of a question that you might have, I will - I 
would like to talk briefly about what would have happened had 
this been a critical phase of the flight; and at which time we 
would have had what we call a dynamic standby computer online for 
us to fail over to should we have a failure such as this. Our 
DSC, our dynamic standby computer is online during periods that 
we consider critical. For example, during Launch on Thursday, 
during the deploy activities on Thursday and Friday when we 
thought that the situation nuyht be critical to the operation and 
or the flight safety of the vehicle we have both of these 
machines operating. Of last evening we don't consider 
that flight critical and did not have those standby computers - 
standby computer operating. The - had we had the standby 
computer over online, the failure would not have «»P«ted cur 
operation at all and as a matter of fact if it had ta led over, 
we would have switched over to that computer and continued with 
almost normal operations. Maybe a few seconds or minutes at the 

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-o-t of dropout so if on* of vour questions is what would have 
haooened if it happened during entry or launch the anwswer is 
, h ; olute i v nothing. Ana in in summary of where we are today, I 
Sin^wo coCld all look at the record of what has happened on 
STS-S and be extremely proud of the confidence, the maturity ot 
both the vehicle and the people, the fUght crew, the flight 
control team and all that is involved in this flight and I m 

Lelv hancy for the progress to date and I'm anticipating 
that it will remain that way till and after we land. With that, 
I'll open up with any questions. 

OAO Okay, we'll take questions here at JSC, Wayne, back here in 
the bark and then we'll move to the other centers. 

DELCEPINO (KTRM) The thing I'm curious about is the fire or 
Seroutage or Metrical short in the aluminum wiring happened 
at 8:S2 last night and there was no mention of it in the 
transcripts or over the audio boxes nr in fact even the folks in 

he PAO 'office w«on-l inarmed of it until a little a ter 10 
minutes after 10 which is a difference of about an hour and 20 
minutes. I'm curious why it took so long to - I'm sure 

S in mission control I mean when all the s«?*J%9° ^; nk 
and the tracking map disappears one wouln exoect tnat ^ m> ;°^ 
might notice it and I'm kinda curious as to what was the reason 
for the delay and notifying us. 

NESBITT Wavne, I think that was probably our quest ion rather 
than TommV-.' since we would be the ones - we had somebody over 
there that was naturally would have noticed if the screens went 
out. And I don't know 

that but we can certainly 

aa * John Lawrence who was on duty at the time, when he wakes 
up But he - at the present time I don't have an answer for you 
on that. We can try and get one. if anybody in the news room 
knows but I know you ' v, been asking around already. I personallv 
don't know the answer but we'll try and find one for you. 

DOLCEFI NO Even the folks in the public affairs office had made 
inquiries of it as long as half an hour - 45 minutes after it 
occurred and even thev had not been told and I'm sort of 
interested why one PAO officer wouldn't tell other PAO officers 
of the rather significant problem and the other thing I m ^rious 
about is to whether or not the crew was notified at all about the 
power failure and tiie fact that there was problems with tracking 
- whether or not there was any notice to them at all up in the 
ship and also one other question as to whether or not the Fire 
department, the city fire marshalls been out this morning to look 
at the wiring. 

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PA0 Want to play that back or what? 

HOMOWAY ^hat was several questions. First of all, I 

believe the crew was officially asleep at the time. There was no 
need to notify the crew that, the Columbia has it's own i»y„ten or 
fait detection onboard as your' re familiar with. And, being 
without the capability to monitor for short periods of time, in 
terns of our concern is no different than beinq between two 
stations that are an hour or an hour and half apart So, I think 
you're really in terms of our concern in the control center, 
assuming, and I have not in detail talked to Gary Cohen who was 
on that particular time. But, I'm sure that if he was told that 
the system would be back in an hour or so, as it was, that he 
would not have a great deal of concern. That's not a ^ 
different from havinq a station pass from Santiago to Santiago, 
an hour and a half without any contact. So, in terms of the 
overall ooeration, I wouldn't get excited about that kind of 
failure during the time frame that we had it. Assuming that the 
people who are responsible for the control center facilities were 
telling me they were going to have it back in a reasonable amount 
of time. Now relative to your last question, I don't know who 
the citv fire marshall is in this area. But we <io have our own 
fire oeoole and we do have our own facility people, and certainly 
they've been involved and I think our fire marshall was over in 
the control center during that period. 

PA0 Ceorqe Alexander, right here behind you Bill. No 

up there in the Blue, oh you're over there, I'm sorry. 

ALEXANDER Tommv , two questions. One, why doesn't the system 

automatically kick over to the second bus? You know hospitals 
have that kind of a, police stations have that kind of a system 
that kicks on to a secondary bus, when you have a short like 

HOLLOWAY Well, first of all, we have a computer that is 

operating and it has to be continuously powered. Now the way we 
take care of our redundancy when we feel like we must have it, is 
that we have this dynamic stand by computer on, and we would have 
switched over instantly to it. But when the power went down, we 
lost the computers. So, at that point, it takes a certain amount 
of time to regain the power and re-IPL a new computer and get 
everything back up. So that's just the way we implement our 
operations during non-critical time frame, and we feel that 
that's an adequate way of doing business. Course the control 
center equipments are distributed across all four buses during 
these non-critical periods. 

ALEXANDER My second question has to do with Bill Lenoir, can 

you tell us has he eaten a full breakfast today, or has he eaten 

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the last few meal periods have been scheduled in the CAP? Has he 
eaten full meals? 

HOLI.OWAY I can tell you that he has reported to us that he 

is eatinq well, and he feels like he's hunqary, and he s 
orogressinq well with his meals. Now as far as the details ck 
whether he ate all of the food that Rita puts onboard I really 
don't know, and am not concerned whether he did or did not. The 
orimary, important thing is that he is hungary and he s eating as 
much as he wants to eat, and feels comfortable with his 

PAO John Wilford. 

WILFORD This is a question for the Public Affairs Office. 

Mr Holloway's done a commendable job anticipating our questions 
today. Why did the Public Affairs Office not do likewise, they 
had about 12 hours to find out why nothing was said about this 
incident, for more than an hour. I think we need an answer to 

PA0 Alright, I was only aware that there was that time 

gap just before I walked in the room here. And, I don't know 
whether anybody in the newsroom knows the answer to that question 
or not. We did make an effort during the course of my jhift over 
there to get the details of that information over here, but as to 
the time lag between when that occurred and when it was reported 
by our person on the console I was not aware of that until Dust 
before coming in here. And, did not have a chance to talk to 
anybodv about it. We can certainly try and find that out right 
after the press conference if you like. Okay, Morton Dean, over 
here . 

DE an If T.enoir is not feelinq well tomorrow, what is the 

plan? Do you go ahead with Joe Allen out alone? Do you extend 
the mission a day or what? 

HOLLOWAY Well first of all, we are absolutely confident that 

Bill's going to be feeling better tomorrow. There are a couple 
of options relative to what we might do if he's not. And really 
I have not been worrying about that much today, and have not 
worked it with the NASA management. Those options are, that we 
could cancel the EVA, or we could do an EVA where Bill stays in 
the airlock and Joe goes outside. Whether we would elect to do 
the last level of activity or not would, those kind of decisions 
would be made when we need to make them and right now, no reason 
to believe that I need to worry about that. 

DEAN Tommy, wouldn't the decision on that be made by 

now? You've been wrestling with that for the past couple of 

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hot T OWAY W*>ll, vou know, we really don't we.nt to do a one 

San %A. So, it -3 a difficult thine, to decide te do, and «e are 
conf ident that we are able to do a two roan EVA and we lust 
haven't nailed that one down. 

PA0 craiq Covalt, riqht behind you. 

COVALT Tommy, when you had your outage last night, did 

Goddaro change it's operational mode to any extend? Or d S C 
and Goddard have a little difforent relationship between that 
during that period that you wsre out at the MOCK? 

HOLLOWAY Not that I know of. 

PAO Olive, sorry Craig. 

COVALT And a second question. Overall going into the 

flight they were going to do some work in terms of aubo e «st, 
in order to not have to do the sam* tests «n the ground at KSC 
for re-flight again. Have they done any such tests, and can you 
describe a couple three of those-. 

HOLLOW AY Are vou talking about tests in the Columbia itself? 

COVALT I know Columbia's going to be down for several 

months here, but there was the idea of going into this flight I 
believe to do some airborne tests to prevent retest at Kbt. 

HOLLOWAY Well, as a matter of fact, we do that. We have 

be^doing that routinely for a couple of three ■ igh ts An I 

been doing that routinely tor a coupie ui tm« — • - ~ ; 

have forgotten whether we started on 3 or 2, or when. Throughout 
we call it step by the way. And that's an acronym in which I 
forget what it stands for. But, we've got lots of acronyms We 
do a number of things throughout the flight For example, we 
switch pressure control systems to verify that the second system 
will operate in the actual zero-g and zero-vacuum outside during 
actual flight. That has been done, it was done yesterday. We 
switched the ECLS components and make sure the other components 
are going to operate. On entry day, we're going to do some 
switching and some of our flash evaporator systems. And check 
out some of the systems that normally would not be required 
because of the backup systems, so to speak. Now in terms of a 
total summary of what all is done in flight, Craig, I can t give 
you that, I nope that satisifies your intent, and if you'd like , 
an entire list I can get the flight control team to gather it up 

PA0 olive Talley right here, there you go. 

mwrpv Tommy, just for clarification please, would you 

review the relationship between Goddard and the Johnson Space 
center in light of this fire because I was told once this morning 

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that Goddard can assume all of that control and communications. 
If JSC gets knocked out, and then I was told later that it can 
assume some, but not all. One, did Goddard assume any 
communications control during the fire, and secondly, can they 
assume total communciations in case of a problem at JSC, and if 
not, how much can they take over? 

HOLLOW AY Okay, let me answer that question this wav. 

Goddard is the heart of our communica*- ions network. That -s one 
of their primary responsibilities in the agencies to put together 
the network and to run the network and to manage the network. As 
such data that comes to JSC is routed through Goddard, it's a 
switching network that sends data to the write place and then we 
have interface with them. They are the managers of the network. 
Now, in real time, the people in the control center, called 
ground controllers, I call them GC's when I talk to them, are the 
people who manage the network for me while we're operating, now 
in terms of your questions on what Goddard can do and can't do. 
Basically, we have at Goddard what we call an emerqency control 
center capability or have had in the past, and if we had a 
significant problem in Houston such as a Hurricane, or a major 
problem we could go to Goddard and effect the safe return of the 
Shuttle. But, there is no capability, nor has there ever been as 
far as I know, to operate for extended periods, out of the 
Goddard facilities. 

PAO Okay, back here in the back. 

DOUG MILLER (KTRH) Just a couple of questions, first of all for 
clarification, once again, how long was your power outage and 
during that time were you in affect out of touch with Columbia? 

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HOLLOWAY To answer your question about the power outaqe it 

depends upon what you mean. We brought the equipment back up in 
stages. Some of it came up very quickly, some took a little 
longer. And in terms of the redundancy we just now regained all 
of our redundancy or are about to regain it, and I'm not sure - 
for example, our computer, driven displays, I'm told were down 20 
minutes, our loss of time displays were down an hour. Our loss 
of our .10 by 20 plot board, that's the big plot board up in front 
of the room that has the world ground track going, it was down 
for 3 1/2 hours. So if that gives you an idea - that's the kind 
of thing we're talking about. As far as our ability to talk to 
the vehicle, I presume, and that's an assumption, that we were 
unable - had we needed to talk to the crew we would have been 
unable to talk to them at Dakar and Madrid. But the crew was 
asleep and we don't talk to them while they're asleep anyway. 

PAO Okay, Right here Pat Dolin. 

DOLIN Has the routine for the EVA been changed in any 

way as a result of the day's delay? That's number 1. Number 2 - 
will space sickness be more of a problem on future flights when 
EVA activities may be lengthier and more complex? 

HOLLOWAY Well, the routine for the STS-S EVA is 

identical. We expect to do the scheduled plan tomorrow and I 
don't anticipate any chanqes at all. Your second question, 
relative to the space adaptation problem, space sickness, if you 
prefer to use that name. We have to come to grips with the fact 
that some guys - folks I should say, ladies are included too, or 
maybe they will be different. We'll have to wait and see. Do 
have these problems and therefore we have to be prepared to deal 
with them and I hope, I don't hope, I'm confident, that we will 
develop a routine and satisfactory method of dealing with this 
phenomena and eventually we will solve the problem and not have 
it. Now when? We'll have to wait. 

PAO Paul Recer 

RECER You mentioned the options associated with Lenoir 

not being able to proceed with the EVA. One was qoing out with 
Allen alone or cancelling the EVA. They mentioned last night a 
third option, that of extending the mission by one day to allow 
him more recovery time. Is that still a viable option? Is that 
still under consideration. 

HOLLOWAY That is an option that is technically possible. 

There's a lot of things that have to be considered and I'm going 
to be wishy washy on this answer, by the way. There are a lot of 
things that have to be considered when you decide to extend a 
day. You have to think about the weather, you have to think 
about the status of the vehicle, and you to think about 
schedules. There is not any plans to extend the flight at this 

STS-5 CHANGE-OP-SHIFT BRIEFING p008jc 1L/14/82 12:00 pm PAGE 2 

time to accomplish the EVA . And we're not making any plans to do 
that. Now we reserve the right to change our mind. 

PAO Paul, ycu had a follow up? 

RECFR Yeah. The follow up is about the weather. How 

does it look at this point in time for landing on Tuesday? You 
have any guess? 

HOLLOWAY Well if Dick was here he would tell you that 

predicting weather is difficult sometime. But right now, if he 
delivers what he told me the weather was going to be this next 
Tuesday I will be delighted. He is predicting that the weather 
will be good at Edwards. Perhaps a little touchy at Northrup 
Strip and will be good at KSC. and if we get 2 out of 3, I will 
be delighted. 

PAO Mark Kramer 

KRAMER Tom, I'm told that if you were to extend the 

mission by 1 day to accomplish the EVA, that would mean that your 
landing would - there is no landing opportunity at Edwards for 
the extension. 

HOLLOWAY You're almost right 

KRAMER It's a night time lending. If you can't land at 

your primary landing time you've got to go around 24 hours? 

HOLLOWAY Not quite. I'll review that briefly for you. If 

we _ we've just taken an opportunity that came to us during the 
flight to improve our lighting ?. little bit at the end of mission 
we just changed the orientation of a couple of the thermal test 
burns this afternoon. When we land on flight day 6 we're going 
to land about minus 6 minutes - plus 6 minutes after sunrise 
instead of about sunrise. So we'll be landing a few minutes 
later than what we've been advertising, simply to get a little 
better lighting conditions. Additionally, we do have an 
opportunity to land at Edwards on plus 1 day. It has been there 
from the beginning in the plan. What we do not have and what 
you're referring to, we do not have an ability to land plus 1 day 
- 2 days at Edwards. So if for weather reasons or whatever, we 
were required to go in - to wait 2 days, we would be looking at 
landing "either at Northrup Strip or at KSC. 

KRAMER Is that a major factor in your not really wanting 

to extend to accomplish the EVA? 

HOLLOWAY Relative to the EVA. Well, I think one of the 

considerations is that you'd like your extension possibilites 
open to deal with weather or other problems. I have a certain 
set of criteria which I will not deorbit for because I'd rather 

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wait a day. And I'd like to keep those options open to me rather 
than using them to extend the flight. 

KRAMER So what is the landing time as you see it now for 

a normal end of mission. 

HOLLOWAY 4 or 5 minutes later than it was preflight. 

PAO Louie Alexander, Right here. 

ALEXANDER Has there been a power outage previously during a 

mission and if so, was the DSE online. 

HOLLOWAY Shucks, T don't know. Haven't been while I was 

over there. Of course, I've only worked there as of - well, I've 
been over there a lot in the last 20 years. I started to give 
you some data on how long I've been a flight director, but I 
don't ever remember that occurring on an occasion when I was in 
the control center, but I don't have the history of that. 

PA 0 Okay. You had - yeah, you've been having your 

hand up for awhile. Back over here in the corner. Make you run 
all over. 

JAMES WILKONSON (BBC) It's still not clear in my mind, I think 
it's because you haven't said it, exactly how long were you out 
of touch with Columbia during the power outage? 

HOLLOWAY I don't know the answer to that question. I know 

we missed 2 station passes, but, you know we had a station pass 
here and we had one here, and we had 2 in the middle, and we 
missed the 2 in the middle, and how long it was from point A to 
point B, I don't know, but if you'U tell my friends over at the 
Control Center that I want an answer to that, I'll give it to you 
as I'm leaving. 

PAO Okay. We'll take one more here and then we'll go 

to see if we have other centers. Craig Colvalt, and then we'll 
come back to JSC after the other centers. 

CRAIG COVALT Tommy, my question concerns the burns which you 
just made reference to. You did do one this morning, correct? 
And you have another this afternoon. And describe how you set 
the 2nd one up to help you a bit more with your lighting on 

HOLLO WY Okay. This afternoon, we have 5 burns scheduled 

30 minutes apart, and it sounds like you're familiar with 
those. 3 of those burns were already retrograde, numbers 1, 2, 
and 4 were retrograde and numbers 3 and 5, and that's just the 
order of sequence, were out of plane. Now, what we did was move 
numbers 3 and 5 posigrade and effectively increased our period of 

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the orbit, the time it takes to qo around the world, Eor the next 
few days and change the conditions at the end of mission. Now, 
we have an interesting thing going on. We make lighting better 
and cross range gets bigger and we're carefully watching cross 
range to make sure it doesn't get too big while taking advantage 
of obtaining as much good lightinq as we can. And the reason 
we're concerned about this business preflight was, and didn't 
make the liqhting even better by doing similar things, was 
because of the concern about cross range. 

PAO Okay. I think we'll go to... I think we have a 

question at Marshall, or one or more questions at Marshall, then 
we'll check around at the other centers. 

DAVE DOOLING (HUNTSVILLR TIMES) Tommy, have there been any even 
minor anomalies in Columbia's subsystems since yesterday? 

HOLLOWAY Not since yesterday. The only anomaly that I 

would consider of significance was the one of the CRT on launch 

DAVE DOOLING Okay. Since I don't have access to him up here, 
could you briefly get Scott Thomas up there to describe what was 
seen in his experiment or could you describe how it went? 

HOLLOWAY I'd prefer that we let him do that right after 

this press conference is complete. 

DAVE DOOLING Tommy, that's my problem. I don't have access to 
him up here in Huntsville. 

PAO Can you arrange that? 

PAO Okay. I was trying to hear whether we had 

questions and I missed what that one was about. 

HOLLOWAY He would like to talk to Scott and if you can 

arrange that . . . 

PAO I don't think there's anything we can do about 

it. Dave, we'll just have to have you call him up on the phone I 


DOOLING Okay, no further questions from Marshall. 

PAO Okay. I understand there's no further questions 

at other NASA centers. We'll just come back and finish up 
here. Olive Talley. 

OLIVE TALLEY Are there any plans to tell the crewmembers about 
the power outage? 

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HOLLOWAY Have I told them or will I... 


TAT, LEY Let me rephrase that. Have you told them anything 

about it and are there any plans to tell them about it? 

HOLLOWAY No and No. There's really no need to tell them 

about it. Everything is back in business. It has not impacted 
their operation one bit and we're pressing on and all is well. 

PAO Okay . Riqht ... 

If vou had to extend the mission, how lonq could 
the mission be extended at maximum considering your consumables 
and so on? 

HALLOWAY If, under normal circumstances, we can conformably 

extend the flight 2 days and I shouldn't say anymore than that 
because I don't have the data, but I know that we have 2 days and 
that's what I require from all of my subsystems engineers and I'm 
very comfortable with that amount of time so I really don't know 
what the maximum might be. 

TAi.LEY Would you extend beyond, beyond the ...would you 

go to 2 days beyond the regularly scheduled mission? 

HALLOWAY I'm not sure in what respect you're getting at. 

Normally, we're going to deorbit on Tuesday like we planned and 
we're going to land at Edwards 4 or 5 minutes after sunrise and 
STS-5 will be complete and we'll get on with getting ready to fly 
another flight. 

TALLEY For the EVA though? 

HALLOWAY For the EVA, we have no plans to extend the flight 

to accomplish the EVA. We expect to do it tomorrow, Monday, and 
deorbit on Tuesday. 

PAO Okay. There you go. ,7ohn. 

JOHN niSNF.Y (RCL) And I just have sort of a policy question for 
you which is, last flight they weren't told about the SRB's 
falling into the ocean. This fliqht, you're not telling them 
about the power outage, but you'll tell them football scores. 
Why can't they know this sort of stuff. You afraid they're going 
to qet nervous or what? 

PAO We just do the interesting stuff. 

HALLOWAY Back on the control center power outage, the crew 

was not told because it does not impact their operation at all. 
Did not affect them. We do not expect that it will affect them, 
and there's absolutely nothing they can do about it. It does not 
affect how they would op... (garble) and there's nothing they can 

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do about it. It riopsn't affect how they operate nor the 
diligence of which thev go about their business and so we junt 
don't tell them about it. Relative to your question about the 
SIlB's. I'm not confident that we didn't tell the STS-4 crew 
about the SRB's sometime during the flight. But again, if we 
didn't, my answer to your question would be the same. It does 
not affect them and postf light, if they're interested, they 11 
have more than an ample opportunity to find out about it. And, 
frankly, I doubt if the crew would he interested in a power 
outage in the control center that 1 anted the duration of this 

PAO Okay. Right back here. 

Surelv, there';? some sort of a rough idea as to 
how long the pass, Dakar, Madrid, we're trying to get some rou~h 
idea of how long you would have been out of touch with the 
Columbia . 

HAIjLOWAY We'll give you more than a rough idea. We'll <>ivo 

you the facts as soon as T get them. 

pftO Okay. Do we have any other questions? Okay. 

John Lawrence was the guilty party involved here. We weren't 
able to reach him in time to tell him not to come in and he 
showed up in case you do have a question about the notifications 
over (garble!. And also, for everybody except Dave Dooiinq in 
Huntsville, Scott Thomas will be available for interviews 
afterward and Dave, that just goes to show where you ought to 
cover the mission from. 

LAWRRNOR Let me just see if I can answer some of the 

questions before they qot started by saying that as soon as the 
power outage occurred, my first act was to understand it, try to 
understand it real well which means understanding whether or not 
we'd lost comm with the vehicle or whether we had data, whether 
we had command capability because I've worked with you people 
enough to know not to make an announcement prematurely before 
it's understood real well and before we've qot the answers to 
those obvious questions that are going to come immediately. From 
the time the power outage occurred to the time I made the 
announcement, I got in touch with the Flight Director with the 
flight controllers with the Flight Operations Directorate, our 
representative in the control center, with the Director of Public 
Affairs at JSC and to assure that the Director of Center 
Operations was aware and jusr. to make sure that we were all 
speaking with the same voice and that we understood completely 
and comprehensively what the nature of the problem was to 
anticipate those kinds of questions. And as soon as I understood 

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that real well, I drafted up the announcement which was broadcast 
at Mission Elapsed Time 2 days, 15 hours, 52 minutes and that's 
as quick as I could get it to you with confidence in it. Yes sir 
John , (garble) . 

But there are cases, there have been cases in the 
past where an anomaly develops on a spacecraft or something 
untoward happens and it comes pretty much live, that we know 
there's a problem before you know what the problem is or how to 
fix it or how extensive it is. Why was this an exception that 
general policy by NASA? 

LAWRENCE I think the general policy is to qivo you maximum 

information as quickly as we could. That was the maximum 
information I could get to you as quickly as I could get it to 
you. I'm not going to qo out with imperfect information at a 
time when it's not completely understood, while we don't 
comDletely understand the dimensions or the potential impact of 

Granted, but screens went blank in Mission 
Control. You knew that. Riqht? Why could you have said the 
screens have qone blank in Mission Control and we're the problem. 

LAWRENCE Because you're going to ask me, right away, you're 

going to say well what' does that mean? What impact does that 
have on the mission, and for me to stand at that point and say 
well I don't know what the impact on the mission's going to be is 
not going to be very comfort inq for you or for me or for any of 
the participants. My first reaction is to understand what's 
qoinq on so I can help you understand what's qoing on. 

When Apollo 13 had its explosion, we didn't know 
immediately what the impact that was on the miss"' , but we were 
told immediately that there was a problem in the spacecraft. 

LAWRENCE Well you were told at 2 days, IS hours, 52 minutes, 

and now 9 hours later the question comes from you. I fail to see 
your sense of urgency when... 

I really have no qreat sense of urqency, but I do 
not like to feel that this is qoing to be the policy of NASA on 
cases that may be embarrassinq or untoward. That's all. 

LAWRENCE If there were any indication it would have been 

embarrassinq or untoward, it would have qotten to you more 
quickly. I can only tell you again that I'm not qoinq to qo out 
with partial information and at a time like that, naturally the 
flight controller's attentions are rather passionately directed 
to other areas and it's a real interesting challenge some times 
to get people's attention and tell them, hey, I got to tell the 

STS-5 CHANGE-OF-SH I FT BRIEFING p008jd U/l 4/82 12:00 pm PAGE 4 

press what's qoing on. And, qranted, Jees, it took longer than I 
would have liked it to have taken, but that was as quick as I 
could qet it out. 

PAO Wayne Dolcefino. 

WAYNE DOLCBFINO John, 2 questions. First of all, understanding 
that you're here now 9 hours later, but the flight briefing 
that's held in the middle of the niqht, whether or not everyone 
would show uo, if it was going to be ever held, but that was 
cancelled over the PAO audio because of the explanation here and 
it was after the oower failure report because there was static 
over night and there was nothing to talk about and that was hours 
after a power failure that had some parts of the Mission Control 
out for "J hours. Now, if that means that everything was static, 
that's what the problem here is. Now we should have had a 
briefing in the middle of the night to get that explanation then, 
so we wouldn't have to wait 9 hours because, not even John 
McLeaish knew 2 hours aqo that there had been a fire or a power 
failure. Like, that's the problem we're having here. And also 
an hour and 10 minute difference. The second question I have, 
and the first was more of a statement than a question, but the 
second question I have is whether or not you got the impression 
that there ms anv concern because we've been led to believe by 
Tommy that it was like no big deal, even though all the screens 
were" out and the track inq maps. And why, in that particular 
instance again, and I think this is the problem we have, why 
you'd have to spend an hour and 10 minutes getting the story 
straight unless there was some concern about exactly what was 
lost and what wasn't. 

LAWRENCE To resoond to vour first statement. The press 

conference this morning was cancelled, I would guess without 
looking, about 2 hours after the power outage incident occurred 
and when I cancelled the press conference, I called the news 
center here, found out there were no newsmen hanging around. I 
announced the calcellation of the press conference about an hour 
and 1/2 ahead of time so if there was any interest or anybody- 
wanted a press conference, there was ample opportunity to come 
into the news center and to say that we want to talk to the 
Flight Director, INCO, or somebody. 

STALL Let me respond. I think that's right. As a 

matter of fact all the clock lines went out in the press working 
area, Wayne. Anybody working there would have seen it 
immediately and apparently nobody was. As soon as I learned of 
the event, T talked to John, he got his announcement out within 
about 12 minutes from the time I talked to him and he's quite 
right. If you, if that announcement was important, the timing of 
it being 50 or 45 minutes later than ycu thought it should have 
been, it would have had no impact on our having a briefing that 

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scheduled and was later cancelled. We cancelled it because 
nobody was interested. The announcement had already gone out. 

Granted, we could have advised you that the 
displays had gone down a little earlier if, in fact, the mission 
commentator hadn't been personally and intimately involved in 
that thing and had been dispassionately sitting aside and 
watching it as he does with the flight in progress, you probably 
would have gotten it that way, but since the information provided 
to him is essential to what he does in reporting, it would have 
been better perhaps if I had had two men on the console at that 
time so one could go shag the storv and one could tell, you that 
we were shagging it. It's unfortunate, we apoloqize for it, and 
it should have been quicker and, but there's nothing, I think 
cynical about it. It was just a little longer than we'd like for 
it to have been. 

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LAWRENCE '"he second oart of that was there was no apparent 

sense of alarm in the control center which doesn't necessarily 
mean there's always no apparent sense of alarm. Underline those 
impressions so to see the flight directors sitting there calmly. 

STALL I think we ought to clear up one other thing to. 

We didn't lose communication with the spacecraft. The capability 
to uplink commands was impaired. We had no communications 
problems and the crew was asleep. We don't wake them up to tell 
them, "there's no problem, but ju<jt in case you hear about^it 
when you get on the ground, there wasn't a problem fellow." 
That's whv they weren't informed. Whv wake them up to tell them 
there's no problem and there really wasn't any concern. 

NFSBIT^ Here's a courale of fiqures here that Terry White 

called ovpt from the console on the time you wanted to know the 
total time covered between the time that they could have actually 
talked to them had there been ground station coverage and all 
that sort of thinq. Lost 10 minutes and 23 seconds of ground 
station Dass coverage in which they would have had an opportunity 
to give the data had the capability been there. And there was 
alwavs voice capability, never lost voice capability. There was 
1 hour and 19 minutes of data processing capability was out and 2 
hours and 20 minutes total window which I assume - assume means 
everything involved from the earliest time to the latest time. 
Morton you don't have any more': 

PAO Okay, Mark 

KRAMER Hal, I have a question based on what John said a 

little while aqo. I'm a little disturbed because I think other 
representatives of the press would probably agree. We prefer to 
have a f a;;t word that somethings wrong in (garble) later and I 
hope that will be the policy ... 

STALL Tha 1 - is our policy. I think it was just an 

artifac of the situation. John was part of the story and it's 
hard for him to step back from the story and report on it and get 
back into the story in that sense, Mark and as I say it was 
unfortunate and it would probably have been different had we had 
another guy who could be reporting on his story and that's really 
I think what accounts fcr the time delay more than anything else. 

PAO Lynn Sherr 

STALL But he did get it out. 

SHERR Just getting back to the story itself for a 

moment, could you go through just chronologically John or Harold 
or whomever, exactly what happened when it happened and what we 
were missing at that point. You just said that we didn't really 
lose communication with Columbia. 

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STALL I don't know that any one of the three of us could 

tell you in all it's technical glory what haopened. At 8:52, 
according to the records, the power failure, the partial now>r 
failure, if you will, occurred and that was restored at 10:12 pm 
central. Now in the intervening Period, there was a time, and it 
could have been the whole period or some put of the time, that 
these things happened: Some of the displays went down in the 
mission control center which included the clock line.? and some of: 
the data disolays. And we lost our capability to uplink commands 
from MCC to the spacecraft. NASA did not lose it's CdpaMhty to 
uplink commands if such were needed and none w-re. There may 
have been - if this had gone on lonqer we may have wanted to have 
Goddard uplink a command to avoid any unnecessary crew wakeup 
alarm but that wasn't the cane. So in essence, andx as far as 
data coming down from the spacecraft, it was coming down to the 
ground stations. It lust was not being displayed in mission 
control center and the moc wasn't qettinq that data. The 
assessment of the problem was made pretty fast bv the people who 
looked at the problem and they felt they would be back online 
within an hour or so and that assessment being made than there 
was nothing critical going on in the mission and people felt 
comfortable with waiting for thot to happen and bring that 
computer back online. They got the data back from the ground 
stations and track inq stations. Thev qot it, had a look at it, 
no anomalies and everything war hack online so there really as 
John just characterized that I think there was no alarm. It was 
one of those things that was an annoyance. 

SHFRR And Harold, I cm: Id again, the fire, what kind of 

fire were we talking about? 

DRAUGHON Well, fire is technically correct. I think we 

should characterize it by saying that whatever was flaming if 
they were in fact flames was simply insulation on some cables in 
a cable vault on the first floor of the mission control center 
building. Rack in the northwest corner near the freiqht 
elevator. It was mostly smoke, a lot of heat from overheating 
because of that short to ground. 

SHERR Any reason for the flames or for the smoke ... 

STALL Well, they will do an analysis of that. As much 

as they know riqht now they had a short, short to ground in a 
splice where that fiower comes into the '.mil ding and that was 
apparently an aluminum to copper splice. Whether that has 
anything significance I can't say. Another question? 

NESBITT No, I'm sorry, you go ahead and do it ... 

Steve, there was something you said about when you 
(Bad the information from Terry that they did have voice 

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capability. That confuses me a little bit. Who had voice 
capabi 1 i ty? 

LAWRENCE Not voice from Houston I think but voice - not - I 

don't think they retainer! voice from Houston but had voice from 
the other stations. 

NRSRITT I don't know ... 

I don't understand that. 

STALL My understanding is that we did have voice 

communications during that time. Now I may have made an improper 
assumption, John, that we had communications from Houston, and if 
we did not I'd be glad to check that for you and we'll be sure. 
My understanding of that when I came -Jsp here is that we had the 
capability for voice capability if we neeac-d it. Of course we 
weren't communicating with it. 

NESBITT That's what Terry just relayed to us is that at 

all times we had voice uplink capabi ity, assuming we would be 
over a ground station. Apparently it's some separate deal you 
know, we use S-band and UHF and this - the voice is generally 

But earlier, Holloway was saying that you had loss 
of capability at Dakar and Madrid. I don't know what you mean by 
loss of capability now. 

STALL We'd have to ask Tommy about that. 

NESBITT I'm not sure of the distinction there. 

I'm not either. 

STALL Communications sometimes is one of those words 

that's ambidextrous. In the engineers mind he's communicating 
with a data stream in the telemetry and in our mind we're talking 
about words passing between people and I think that may have been 
part of the problem. Certainly we had that interup^ion in the 
data stream, uplink from MCC to the spacecraft during that time 
period. However, there was nothing in the mission to require it, 
there was nothing planned for it and we had no reason to need it 
so that's why it was not a cause of alarm. And we had the backup 
at Goddard if we needed to do that. 

RECER This is the second day we had an incident similar 

to this regarding release of information and I wondering if you 
could state for us exactly what your policy is in the timely 
release of information when an anomaly occurs man or machine on 
earth or space? 

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STALL I think our policy is pretty well established and 

we work pretty hard to maintain it and that is we tell you what 
we know when we know it. We abstain from speculating on what we 
think might be the case when we don't know that to be the case. 
Certainly the Dublic affairs people do. Now in the case of an 
expert who is paid to speculate on the matter, that's why we give 
you the experts, Paul. 

Then are you saying that incident last night with 
the power outage just did not precisely follow that policy? 

I think we'd call that a PAO anomaly, yes. 

NESBITT Well, if we're all reasonably satisfied, haven't 

anything else to say. Call an end to that. 


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PAO Good evening. Thanks for c«j ng again, and tonight 

we have Orbital Flight Team Director Dr. John Cox, with him is 
John Cools, from our Mission Control Center operations sections 
to talk about burning buses and that sort of thing. John why 
don't you run down through the Flight Director log there, and 
then we'll go to questions unless John Cools has something he 
wants to discuss. 

COX Okay. T'his afternoon's shift was a little shorter 

than usual, since we ended up staying a little bit passed the 
crew's sleep time. Shift scheduled (garble) set up assuming the 
EVA today, and so we our portion would end up normally being a 
little bit shorter. The prime thing we did on the shift was 
completed the LTU burn sequence, it was a thermal test where we 
fired the upper (qarble) of the jet on the left OMS pod 5 times, 
30 seconds apart. Test went quickly, we had figured that test so 
accurately that I think we ended up with a total of four pounds 
out of 1400 difference in our pre-test computations and those 
that we actually achieved. We took a look at the aft station 
COAS CAL data, the COAS CAL was added due to the problem we had 
earlier in the flight with the dirty windows we used a brighter 
star and it looked liked that COAS CAL worked super so that 
COAS calibrator was both forward station and the aft station and 
both of them seemed to be very good. The analysis isn't all 
completed on the aft station cal yet. We did some more of the 
PAM ASE thermal test where we looked to see what the thermal 
environment is inside the closed shields of the two payloads and 
they seem to be holding well, heaters are working well so that 
again verifies that the design of McDonnell Douglas's provided us 
for deploying these oayloads. And as you understand one of those 
is going to be reused again on flight 7, I think the other one is 
planned to be turned around and used again on flight 8 or 
sometime real soon. S^, everybody's keeping a watchful eye and 
seeing how well those are doing. The heater anomaly we had seen 
on GFR4D earlier in the fliqht which appeared to be a heater 
system failed off, is probably some sort of thermostat problem or 
something we don't quite understand it, but right now the 
heater's failed on and it just so happens we're in a cold 
attitude for that jet and you'd want a 100 percent duty cycle and 
lo and behold that's what we're getting, the failed on heater, we 
can turn it off with a switch so there is no concern and it seems 
to be holding the temperature's nicely for us, if you can have 
your failures that's the way to have them. We got a sponge 
growth started today right on schedule, I think we saw a little 
TV of that. I think earlier today you saw the convection 
experiment and talked to the investigator there so I won't cover 
any of those topics. We had experienced a problem yesterday 
with the communications unit for the wireless headset, this is 
the unit that plugs into the wall and interfaces with a 
transmitting device on the crewman. It was with the commander's 
we had a problem with it yesterday and it looks like it failed 
hard today, and we had no communications, so he has switched to 

STS-5 CHANGE OF SHIFT BRIEFING p009ja 11/14/82 5:50 pro PAGE 2 

the backup unit that we have carried, designated as unit E, and 
everything seems to be working fine on that, and we don't have 
any idea what caused the problem, but it seems right now to be 
working fine with the back up. We reported on the OEU swap out 
this morning that worked fine, COT seems to be fine and the crew 
had not completed the checkout of the CRT but it was in process, 
just prior to going to sleep and we didn't get any report back 
from them, so I assume it all went well. As reported by Tommy 
earlier the crew health is super, they're all in good shape. 
There have been no extra PMCs or no additional PMCs since Tommy's 
briefing so there is no new information to report in that area. 
We are planning to press on with the EVA as planned tomorrow 
morning. I have a few comments, the ANIK or apogee motor firing 
has been delayed until noon Tuesday and I don't think there's 
anything special about the fact thats it's delayed, they have 
optional orbits that can go on and that's the time that their 
picking. The SBS folks, you know did their apogee firing 
yesterday and tomorrow they'll be deploying the solar panels and 
the antennas and that all seems to be going on schedule. We've 
taken a look a little bit at the entry weather conditions. For 
the nominal °nd of mission again, it's looking pretty good, all 
sites which are not in really super shape but exceptable shape 
were all but CONUS sites, KSC, Northrup and Edwards for the 
nominal end of mission and orobablv end of mission plus one. The 
only concern is that will be Edwards and Northrup's sites, there 
may be some high clouds, we don't expect that to be a problem 
though. Talking in the order of 20 to 25 thousand foot 
conditions, but that all seems to be probably in the ball park of 
good. The winds all seem to be reasonably mild in the order of 
10 knots predicted for end of mission of mission plus one. If we 
had to do a landing tomorrow we would have some marginal 
conditions at the Cape, probably some high winds. There is some 
frontal activity expected to give us some problems, but other 
than that things are looking pretty good there. We did take a 
look today since we did the LTU burn sequence. The LTU burn 
sequence is used to set up our entry conditions. Those are 
actually test burns that we fire in the direction to be most 
favorable for achieving entry conditions and I have some quick 
numbers on those. The first we've run for nominal end of mission 
burn times and landing times. For Edwards the nominal end of 
mission time for landing would be 5 days 2 hours 14 minutes and 
47 seconds. And you notice that's about 5 minutes later than 
originally predicted. What they did with the adjustments that we 
did in the LTU burn sequence today gave us about 7 more minutes 
of lighting after sunrise, so it's a little bit better condition 
there. The deorbit rev will be rev 81, the delta V required will 
be 268 ft per second with about a 580 nautical mile crossrange. 
And the deorbit TIG would be 5 days 1 1 hour 17 minutes and 2 
cecond3. For those who want some additional information I have 
the Northrup, the KSC, and the end of mission day one and day two 
conditions. We will, if we do not do the deorbit burn, on the 
end of mission day, we will require a burn done at apogee of that 

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deorbit rev, we're working right now to find out what would be 
the magnitude of that adjust burn, but it's probably somewhere on 
the order of 40 ft per second, and that will be in an effort to 
help approve cross wind conditions for end of mission plus one, 
and end of mission plus two, both of those two days are on the 
higher end of the crosswind scales. As far as the power problems 
in Bldg. 30, we all seem to be reasonably stable since the big 
hit earlier, or yesterday, late last night. The system is up and 
running and it's been up and running all day long, we're tired on 
a single string type basis. The A bus was reported earlier, Mr. 
Holloway reported those. The Al bus was the one we've had the 
problem on, the A2 bus is now being examined and while we moved 
modes around during the day today we experienced control 
interruptions of some capabilities from time to time we saw the 
lights go down for a while, we lost some comand capability for a 
little while, but nothing that affected any of our operations or 
necessary commanding at sites or anything. Mr. Cools here, he's 
here to answer questions in that area if you have any beyond what 
Tommy presented in the earlier briefing. 

PAO Okay, please wait for the Mike, Craig Covault, 

Aviation Week. 

COVAULT John, correct me if I'm wrong, were you not going 

to go into nose sun tonight? 

COX We are in nose sun. 

COVALT You are in nose sun, and earlier your EVA would of 

been in starboard sun. 

COX That's right. 

COVALT You might discuss the new geometry relative to 

Earth views that the crew will have on out tomorrow and whether 
or not nose sun is better for Earth views on an EVA standpoint as 
opposed to starbard sun. 

STS-5 CHANGE OF SHIFT BRIEFING p009jb 11/14/82 S:S0 pm PAGE 1 

COX You'll see the Earth about the same cause you're holding an 
inertial attitude and qoing around the Earth so the bay will see 
the Earth part of the while as you go around whether your 're 
pointing the nose or the side at the Sun you're still going to 
get everywhere you're going to get one good look at the Earth and 
one good look at the other side. So that's not too much 
different. There will be a little more shadow effect than the no 
sun since the forward bulkhead will cast a shadow over most of 
the payload bay but we don't anticipate any problem with that. I 
think if we'd had our druthers back when just doing the EVA we'd 
probably like to been in an ZLR or some attitude like that. 
However, as part of the EVA desires they wanted to do an EVA 
testing the EMU in both a very cold condition, where they're 
completely covered like they are, they will be in most of this 
case avoiding sunliqht except when translating along the 
handrails. And they wanted to do a top sun one to see how the 
EMU works before sunlight in the bay. Well we won't be able to 
do the top sun and we still weren't planning to do that even if 
we had been in the starboard sun. So I think probably we're 
satisfying one end of the testing requirements probably a little 
better in this attitude than we would have done in the starboard 
sun attitude, but it's no problem and no impact to the EVA as far 
as that's concerned. 

COVAULT Thermally on the suits they will be a little cooler 
than they would have been in starboard sun correct? 

COX That's what you'd probably expect. They wouldn't get as 
much heat input for sure. 

COVAULT Even if they had gone EVA in starboard sun they still 
would have been in a relatively cool bay. 

COX That's right. 

COVAULT All things equal. Okay thanks. 

PAO Question. Way back over here in the corner. 

Mr. Cools have you traced down what caused the fire last 
night? I think we have a lot of assumptions but no one has 
actually stated it. What caused that fire last night? 

COOLS No, we're still not certain. The best we can say now is 
that there is a short in the Al power system. 

Was it a short where there was a connection between aluminum 
and copper wiring as mentioned earlier. 

COOLS I don't know that. Don't know that at this time. 

You do have an aluminum and copper wiring splice somewhere 

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near there don 1 t vou? 

COOLS No, I really don't know. I'd like to refer that question 
if I can, to the facilities' folks who are doing that wck riqht 
now. The thinq I'm involved in more is MCC operations and that 
is the aspects of the power bus itself. 

COX I think just to characterize where we are in this whole 
thing is just a little while ago a couple of hours ago, we 
finally got all the loads off the A2 bus and finally got some 
people in there where they can get their hands on the system and 
start pulling everything apart to look at it so everything you 
heard earlier was best guesses and conjectures. Now the people 
are in actually pulling all the cable apart and taking a look to 
see what they actually have so. I think the best thing to do is 
just wait until we qet a good answer from the folks. 

Do you have any places where elsewhere on the facility you 
have aluminum and copper connections? 

COOLS Not to my know 

That's the only one 

COOLS T real ly don ' t 
of expertise, so we'll 

PAO Andy Chaken. 

edge . 

know. Like T say, this 
have to get that answer 

not really my area 
for you. 

CHAKEN Assuming that some problems mav continue just on the 
outside chance that you may not get that bus back before landing, 
does that impact at all the resources that you have for the MOCR 
or is this much more redundant than that? 

COOLS We have been lose some of our redundancy by the fact that 
we don't have the A bus but we will be able to support landing. 

CHAKEN Would you still have, for example, one system to fall 
back on in case you had another failure at a critical time? 

COOLS Another bus? 

CHAKEN Yeah, my understanding of the system is a little foggy 
but just in terms of what the most ... 

COX Probably what we would do (garble).... 

COOLS We have redundant computer systems but not power buses 
right now. 

COX You'd have to pick your failure in that case. We could 
probably have the computer systems up that we normally had 

STS-S CHANGE OF SHIFT BRIEFING p009ib 11/14/82 5:50 pm PAGE 3 

runninq in hot standby with each other and be able to operate 
that way. Would not have all the redundancy in the power 
distribution that we'd like to have. 

PAO Carlos Byars Houston chronicle. 

BYARS HOUSTON CHRONICLE Since you have backup computer 
capability to support launch or landing, why did you not have 
that up and runninq today when you're shiftinq loads around to 
avoid the loss of the downtime that vou did incur? 

COX What you're talkinq about is we've had a hit in redundancy 
system right now and to be able to get into the A system which 
has its bus distributions you had to net all the loads off it and 
put it over - put all your systems on the B side which you could 
go in and investigate that. We have enough equipment that way 
but vou kind of overload busses if you put everything all on the 
same power circuit. It's iust like in your house, vou wouldn't 
want to stick all your electric light plug in devices, and 
toasters and what not all on one circuit just while you went over 
and checked another one. You probablv wouldn't pluq them all. 
back in, you'd iust do with what you had to and we had nothinq 
critical going on today that, would require having hot standby's 
for anything. 

BYARS I understand that you did not but I get the impression 
that even though you've got all these different busses that you 
can use it takes a qreat deal of time, trouble, and effort to 
switch from one to the other when we've been given the impression 
that this is virtually an instantaneous thing when necessary and 
I'm pretty fuzzy now. I've qot the distinct impression that part 
of it you can switch, part of it you can't switch, some of it 
maybe you can switch tomorrow or next week. 

I think you're confusinq that with critical power 
between the (garble) liqht company and the ... 

COX ...critical power comes up right away and we've been up on 
the generators every since the problem happened, when you talk 
in terms of the computer systems that's iust a matter of a push 
of the button and we're up on the other alternate system. That's 
not the problem. Today we didn't want to load down the few buses 
that we did have with all the redundant computers and 
components. So we chose not to have them on there when we did 
the buse load distribution chanqes today. And this has all been 
with Johnny's folks. They have been recommend inq what's the best 
way to do this - split the loads and there's a team of folks 
trying to do it safely and let's not create another problem while 
we're trying to fix this one. 

BYARS If you had a problem like this durinq a launch though, 
and you lost Al , and had to switch to your backup computer 

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system, your backup power for your backup coniDuters, wouldn't, 
that put the same kind of load on the system that you're trying 
to avoid today? 

COOLS No, the backup - the computers are on different power 
buses for critical phases by design. They're not on the same 
bus. You have one computer on A and one on B. 

BYARS I'll give up until I can qo look at a schematic. 

PAO Any other questions her". John Bisney RKO radio. 

BISNEY There was a wire story that moved in advance of the 
mission that described -Toe Allen as be i nq a clown who might try 
almost anythinq on the RVA as long as it doesn't endanger himself 
or the spacecraft. I don't know how well you know him. Are you 
expecting any shenanigans out of him tomorrow? 

COX We're not really expecting anythinq. T think they'll 

probably go out and do an outstanding RVA . Probably hear more of 

a commentary from him or maybe holding uo a picture or something 

like that but I expect the F.VA to go prettv straight forward. 

PAO Any further questions here at Houston? Let's switch to 
Marshall Space Flight Center. T understand they have some 

DOOMING HUNTTSVIU.E TIMRS Have the other 3 crewmen reported any 
even minimal signs of di-.comfort today? 

COX I think Tommy Hollowav covered all of that in a previous - 
we haven't had any BMC since then and if t recall from the 
briefinq I had and from Tommy's briefing there have been no 
further incidences of any sight and everybody is feeling for it. 

STS-5 CHANGE OF SHIFT BRIEFING p009jc 11/14/82 5: SO pit\ PAGK 1 

DOOT.ING Okav, rloinq the EVA with the spacecraft nose to sun on 
the day side, will Rarth light be adequate for lighting in the 
payload bay or will the floodlights have to he turned on? 

COX I'm certain that in parts of the orbit when you're on the 
dark side, you're going to have to have the liqhts on to do much 
out there. While you're on the day side, they may or mav not 
help. That'll be crew option. Boh Overmyer will be inside and 
he will have access to all the controls to turn the lights on and 
off and he'll be working that end of it. They had previously 
worked out whatever their lighting requirements were for the 
starboard SU V.VA, so they're going to have to make some 
adjustments for this one, but I don't anticipate that's any biq 
deal. It's just a matter if you need some lights, you turn the 
1 j grits on . 

DOOT, I N'G On the COAS aliqnment, you mentioned that the windows 
aoparently wf>re dirtv. I recall during countdown that we were 
told that' one of the last steps beinq made on the launch pad was 
that the windows were being cleaned off. Where did this dirt 
come from and has the problem been reported to this extent on 
previous missions? 

COX I think it's, we asked the crew to take pictures of it and 
we're ju'.t conjecturing now whit's on the windows, but there is 
some, some buildup that hasn't been removed from flight to 
flight. You do clean them hut you don't get them all back to 
factory clo'.n and even sitting out there on the pad waiting for 
liftoff after they've been cleaned, you do pick up salt spray and 
what not on them, so we don 1 1 think it's much more than that and 
the reported problem was, we were iust using some fairly dim 
stars and 1 oolc i nq throuqh a window that wasn't all that clean was 
a little bit difficult, so we went to the briqhter stars, the 
crew had no rjroblem and it's iust a matter of iust sliqht haze 
that seems to be on the window. Nobody really thinks there's a 

nooi.TMG ifas th- 1 condensate problem that was reported earlier 
been t racked down and resolved? 

COX Wp liavp, there's? kind of a bunch of suspition or discussion 
going on s*»«» i n«.j who cm best guess the outcome and we've gone to 
another c« m f i gur * t i on tonight that will qive us another clue in 
the mystery. It appears that the condensation is a lot less than 
it was y».«-.r«s-<1*y and what wo had done yesterday war. run with both 
humidity separarnrs on for the night and then all day today. By 
doing that, we noticed that we were filling the waste tank at a 
higher rate which seemed to make sense. It says we'll probably 
either be a - first, of all, one - the first humidity separator B 
that we wprr- on was not performing up to par and when we put A on 
we got a boost or maybe it wasn't working at all, or the message 
might be that with 4 crewmen onboard and exercising and what not 

STS-5 CHANGE OF SHIFT BRIRPING p009jc 11/14/8? 5:50 pm PAGE 2 

there's a lot more moisture in the air and it just miqht take 7 
humidity separators to run. Now today when we turned B off, we 
watched the amperaqe drop on the busses and it looked very much 
like the riqht amount came off indicating that the B separator 
was running properly. So, that being the case, we'll run all 
night tonight and see what the water buildup is in the waste 
tank. If we still get a very slow buildup/ kind of like we had 
when we only had B on before, we will probably conclude that it 
takes 2 humidity separators with a 4-man crew. 

DOOLING Okay. A final question. Is the helium regulator that 
had caused some concern prelaunch still performing like a new 

COX Just like SPEC. There's been no problem at all with it. 

PA0 That's all from Marshall. 

?A0 Okay. Back to Houston. I understand the Cape is 

down. Any more questions here in Houston? Carlos. 

BYARS How much time did you lose due to the various outages and 
what have you today, while you were switchinq your power busses 

COX Well, during my shift none. We had some times in the 
building where things were - like lights went dim for a while, 
but that didn't bother us, or what not. We had a command 
capability that was going to be down for a little while, but we 
didn t have any command activity required, so I think that went 
over 1 Guam pass is the only time we had station contact in that 
condition, but we knew that there was a possibility it wasn't 
going to be restored prior to Guam and we knew we didn't have anv 
command work in there, so didn't bother with it. 

PAO Paul Recer ( AP) . 

PAUL RECER if I understand your bus arrangement, it appears 

that you could not operate 2 Shuttles at once from this mission 

control center and have your redundancy up. is that correct? 

COX That's not my opinion, but John can probably... 

COOLS Well, to be able to fly 2 Shuttles, it would take some 
modifications. There are modifications goinq on in the buildinq, 
of course, to support DOD flights and STS fliqhts or NASA 
flights. Currently, we would not be able to support 2 Shuttle* 
without some modification. 

PAUL RECER Are those modifications planned. 

COOLS Excuse me, for NASA , 2 NASA fliqhts? i believe there are 

STS-5 ('MANOR OF SHIFT BR IEFI NO p009ic 11/14/82 5: 50 pm PAOF. 3 

some studies going on now to see what we can do about 2 Shuttle 
flights. Yes. 

PAUL RECER Could you support a NASA flight and a DOD flight 

at once? 

COOLS Yes. Not right now but - 

PAUL RECER But those MODS are in the make? 

COOLS The MODS are in the make for 1 DOD and 1 NASA. 

PAO No more questions. How many of you are going to 

be around at 2:20 tomorrow morning? No takers. Okay. That's 
when Gary Coen comes off shift so I doubt that he really needs to 
hold a change-of-shi f t press conference. It turns out we have a 
question from KSC. Let's go to them. 

KURT FRANK UPI I'm just concerned about the arrival coming back 
that there will be some sun glare coming off the windshield. 
Will that cause any impact with that time coming in? 

COX We don't anticipate any. It's been a nominal condition 
that we've been heading for for this flight ever since it's been 
in the planning stages and with the practices we've done on all 
that, we don't anticipate any problem at all. 

PAO Okay. Well, I guess that wraps it up. Thank you 

all for coming. 


STS-5 CHANGE-OF-SHIFT BRIEFING pOlOja 11/15/82 7: 30pm Page 1 

PAO Okay. We have with us this morning Glynn Lunney, 

the Shuttle Program Manager and with Mr. Lunney is Harlev 
Stutesman of the Crew Systems Division. We'll open with a 
statement by Mr. Lunney. 

GLYNN LUNNEY Ladies and Gentlemen, good morning. We have some 
disappointing news on the planned space walk today that I'm here 
to here to talk to you about. I'll try to help you to understand 
the technical considerations and some of the further mission 
considerations that apply to the decision that we made this 
morning to cancel the space walk as of todav, and I'll let you 
understand what our other options are as we go forward. This 
morning, and by the way, I don't have an exact timeline of all 
the events, but let me recap them. This morning, in the checkout 
of the suits, and I'll probably refer to them as suits a couple 
of times here this morning and by that I mean both the suit and 
what is called the back pack, what we call the back pack, is 
where a lot o.: the supplies and the regulation, etc. for the suit 
system where those systems are housed. In the checkout of the 
suits we had a problem with Joe Allen's suit. There is a fan in 
there which is used to circulate the oxygen. It is very 
important that, necessary even, that this fan works. In the 
preparation for the EVA, it is necessary for the astronauts to 
prebreathe pure oxygen for about 3-1/2 hours in order to 
eliminate residual nitrogen from the body. In the course of this 
prebreathe, as we call it, while this elimination of nitrogen 
from the body is occurring, and we do that by the way to avoid 
the occurrence of bends when the astronauts go outside in a lower 
pressure suit, we find that a fan, in the course of the checkout, 
we found that the fan which would provide the circulation in the 
suit during this period of time, was not working properly. 
Though it was attempted to start the fan a number of times and 
there were a variety of symptoms, but basically we just couldn't 
get it to work. We have had some history of experience with that 
once and a while and it would generally clear and Harley 
Stutesman here who is the manager for the extravehicular mobility 
unit can talk to you more about there if you technical 
questions. However, we found that problem and dispite the later 
problem that we had with the regulator which I'll talk about in a 
minute, in Bill Lenoir's suit, the fact that we could not 
properly arrange for the prebrathing in the suit in order to 
prepare really the deni trogenat ion process in Joe Allen's body, 
really to get the nitrogen out. That was the basis for deciding 
that we could not go forward with the planned space walk today. 
Later on in the course of the morning, we found that there was a 
shift in the regulative pressure that the primary part of Bill 
Lenoir's suit operates at. It shifted from, our range is 4.2 
plus or minus a tenth I believe, it shifted down to 3.8 plus or 
minus - well, 3.8 psi's. So, we had a shift of about a half a 
psi in the regulation, that is of the oxygen that is applicable 
in Bill's suit in the primary system. That is not fully 
understood at the present time and makes us slightly 


qet back in the airlock and repress the airlock. But we don't, 
would not expose ourselves to that kind of oossibility, lust For 
the demonstration. 

pA0 We've got a follow up over here with John. 

W1LF0RD Would tin-re be any difference in his ability to 

function at 3.8 psi v.-t^n 4. whatever it was? 


Mo sir. Tn fact he miqht, because of the reduced 
pressure, he miqht get along a little better, because it would be 
easier for him to move around. But 3.8 is perfectly adequate 
pressure for him to take care of the physiological situation. 

PAO Okay, we'll qet Lynn Sherr and Paul Recer and then 

we'll ao to the Cape for questions. 

SHFRR Two questions, Tommy, why are are you convinced 

that' as vou 'tust ^aid, something happened after you launched on 
Thursday?" And secondly, did you consider a backuo back pack and 
would you for future missions? 

HOLLOWAV. Let me rephrase what I said earlier. Something 

happened after we tested the back pack at KSC, and it was very 
close to launch and i don't know the details, but can find those 
out for you. And so T don't know whether it happened during 
launch, after launch, or somewhere on the pad. But the back pack 
was tested at KSC a few days prior to launch and obviously, 
-something has happened, apparently something has happened, 
second! v tho back oacks, w~ would expect to solve this problem, 
orovide' enouah confidence in the back packs that these kind or 
things would 'not happen again. r'rom paylosd considerations ^nd 
room in the airlock and so on and so forth, we really don't 
foresee any plans of carrying a third standby back pack. 

Okav, I've qo': 2. Were the spacesuits, where they 
were stored, subjected to unexpected stress of any type, 
humidity, pressure, thermal inputs, or anything like that that 
you didn't expect durinq the mission? 

HOLLOWAv Absolutely none, that we can speculate about at 

th ; s tim*. I can't even dream cf. anything that might have ca.isod 
this to happen while we were on orbit, along the lines of what 
vou cugqest. 

Okay, the second one, as a flight director, would 
you feel confident in having an EVA using th-s MMU without first 
testing the suit in some less ambitious sp. . ;-!walk? 

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HOLLOWAY Well, you're put me on a spot. Obviously, I would 

like to see a proqram, the Shuttle flow that evolves to the EVA 
situation where we would use the hack pack, including an EVA to 
do a demonstration type activity like we did today. But with the 
right kind of traininq and the rLqht kind of proqram qettinq 
ready on the ground, snd confidence that these misses are goinq 
to work properly, we might be willinq to take small steps, one at 
a time, during an act-ual flight and qo execute an MMH type flight 
on the first actual. EVA. Rut that's the kind of thinq that will 
have to be decided by a number of people, which I'm only one of. 

PAO Okay, we'll go to KSC now for some questions. 

Going back to what actually happened today, was 
Lenoir on his own in the airlock when making his List, attempt to 
get the suit working, or was Joe Allen in there with him helping? 

STS-5 CHANGE OF SHIFT BRIEFING pOlljo 11/15/82 12:00 pm PAGE 1 

HOLLOW AY The, during the preparation period for this last 

period where we depressed the airlock to 9 psi, there were people 
in helping him, and I suspect Joe Allen was doing that, although 
normally Bob Overmyer would have done that. But when it came 
time to depress the airlock, whoever was helping, close the 
hatch, lock the hatch, and qot out of the airlock and he was in 
the airlock by himself during this period that we spent at 9 psi 
checking out the suits. 

PAO Any further from KSC? Just one. 

JOHN PINE (REUTERS NEWS AGENCY) I might have missed something 
earlier, but did you get into the area about what the exact 
impact on future booked flights, I mean the next 5 or 6 flights, 
missing this EVA well here? 

HOLI.OWAY No sir. I really didn't. I punted on that one. 

T said that I couldn't do that for you simply because I've not 
been involved in that planning and I don't have the information 
at my finger tips and also at this point, I think it would be 
speculating to try to say what NASA will do about the future 

PAO That's all from KSC. 

PAO Is that all? Okay, we'll go to Marshall now for 

quest ions . 

This is Marshall. We do have questions. 

JIM ADAMSON (CHANNEL 31 AT HUNTSVI LLE) Have there been anv more 
reports of any illness or discomforts among the astronauts and 
also do any of them plan on taking any medications before 

HOLLOWAY No sir. There's been absolutely none since the 

last time Dr. Pool spoke to this group, and I've lost track of 
time. I can't remember when that was, but there's been 
absolutely none and there's no planned medication durinq the 
entry prep nor entry, unless you count lots of fluids and salt 
tablets and salt on your food which is a normal thing that we've 
been doing for 2 or 1 flights to make sure there's a lot of 
fluids, the crewmen have lots of fluids, unless you count th'tt as 
medication, and T certainly don't. Any others? 

DAVE DOOLTNG (HONTSVTLLF. TIMES) One, the final check on that 
helium r^fjulator, how has the display electronics unit been 
operating since Overmyer did the change out and have there been 
any other even minor anomalies in the Orbiter subsystems? 

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HOLLOWAY well, we've been operating on our in f am °" s 

SSSSor for the last couple of days You know we a „ on t hejj 

eltlurL 1 SJr«e W 5J5 U t this io"ing that the aft mission 

piece of hardware and it has apparently failed. 

There are no further questions from Marshall. 

Okay. We have a report from the MOCR that the 
eSS's were checked out onboard the vehicle at 12 days before 

HALI.OWAY Twelve days. 

PA0 „ e have some questions at Dryden. We'll go there 

for those before coming back here. 

Yes, we have a question from CBS. 

land at Kennedy, and secondly, when do you see the first 
opportunity for shuttle landing at KSC? 

HOLLOWAY No we do not absolutely require a^rosswinc! 

landinq nor an autoland before we land at KSC. Both or cnose 
ntgh y'desirable. On the crosswind, Mother Nature has not 
cooperated with us very well an may no so o he tors^jl^ 
determine when we will land at KSC. i.urrenci Y , 
to land at KSC on fliqht 7. 

PA0 Anything more from Edwards - Dryden? 

I know how much you want to get that done, that walk in if 

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HOLLOWAY The t roubl eshoot i ng of the EMU's or the back packs 

has been completed. As I explained earlier, we did go through 
some troubleshooting early this afternoon, this afternoon being 
with respect to the crew's work day, and we did not improve the 
status of what we understand to be wrong with the back packs. 
That troubleshooting has been terminated and the crew has been 
instructed to prepare the airlock for entry. We fully intend to 
deorbit tomorrow morning on time and there are no further 
attempts to determine - work on the back packs nor are there any 
thoughts of delaying a day to accomplish an EVA. 

PAO Okay. We'll come back here now. Jules Penman. 

JULES BERGMAN} Tommy, how important is EVA to the shuttle 
program and after you answer that , T have another quest ion. 

HOLLOWAY Well, T thinK the EVA has its place in the shuttle 

program and will evolve into an important function as we go 
along. Certainly, as all operational capabilities must, we'll 
have to evolve and learn as we qo. It will be important and T 
think will have a role in the ^nM nionrn throuuh t-e r>,. x t 10 
to IS years. 

JULES BERGMAN The second question, speaking Personally for 
yourself, and I know it's very soon after the failure, when i 'J 
the next flight that you think an EVA is possible? Not planned 
but possible. 

HOLLOWAY Well, it's possible to do one on STS-6, but- it 

NASA management would determine that it's - that we desire to do 
one bad enouqh on STS-6, technically it would be possible to do 
one. it's not clear to me that that would be the rinht 
decisions, and I'm don't, believe, based on what T understand 
right now, that 1 would necessarily want to do one on but 

Allen' s back pack , ... 

HOLLOWAY Your last phrase was correct, 

pack and the bottom torso and the helmet was 
Orbiter, or on the middeck and was left in t 
get it out of the way because it didn't have 
the testing that we wanted to do. 

What about his own r it? 

STS-5 CHAMGF OP SHIFT BRrRFtMH oOUjc 11/1 S/82 12:00 pm PAGR A 

" i ^ <3 ° ln 1 llM WPn ' thro '^ the basic orocnduro thar 

you do to don a su,t and g^t ready to qo do a ,n,ce walk.' Th" 
only difference ,s that he did not spend 3-1/2 hours breathinq 
100% oxygen before he accomplished this procedure that I 
described to you earlier. 


To cornet the transcript, that was Rill. you 
• aid ,,oe. rt was Rill that had the (garble). 

BiLl was, m the suit, by the way. 

Okay. That, gentleman right ther*. 

my, what is it about f> that would lead v 
ill nit want to do an EVA and number 2, 
.a<- afternoon look like for the crew? 


basically getting ready 

^ ^ ^ <% afternoon is going to 

ne entry procedures, and 
n the corning and do the 

loployabl,^ r,ayload that's »„,. h r»o r e -o-pM-^ted in te?,<^ of 
t. l ian even the STS-S deliverables 
?h performance ftiaht in terms o* i 
to cons id. 

hort flight, if. 
liod reauir-d. • 

•-■ -~ :i,, w many oxygen nitroq. 

long wo want to fly, the training job 

and all of those things ,„ 
if in integrated level to determine whether the crew 
o io of the tasks that we want them to do, whether 

y enough consumah ! en to stay on orbit long enough to 
1 ' ,l "■)■"> want to do and so on jnd so forth. So if 
HI that on an integrated ln V *l, 4 f you wanted to ,4, 
nd y ,.i jht he able t-o do ,t, bu<- on' the other hand 
betw to w-,,t t,, , i, t . r „ iqV thinr of ro , r , 

Jl:^ n " Y Sf °V V " Uk ° hi ™ V* P^ id '«r, to look 
e things and decide what we're goinn to do 

STS-5 CHANGE OF SHIFT BRIEFING pOlljd 11/15/82 12:00 pm PAGE 1 

PA 0 Okay, let's go right here and move around. 

Tommy, what was it that Bill was concerned about 
when he said they were stowing some of their clothes in a trash 
bag and they would certainly be unloaded, he says they couldn't 
refold some things, and qet them back where they were meant to 

HOLLOWAY I really don't know what he was, unless he was 

worried about what if he had to use them again, while he was on 
orbit. I really, that's the only thinq I can think of, I really 
don't know what he was talking about. It didn't concern me, so I 
didn't worry about it. 

PAO Craig Covalt, Aviation Week. 

COVALT Could you speak briefly to the cabin pr essur i zat ion 

issue you were getting some high cabin pressure alarms, and that 
was a consideration in some of your activities. 

HOLLOWAY Well, we don't like to get the cabin pressure too 

high, although we were a long way from being in a situation where 
you'd have to be concerned about the structural integrity of it, 
but we were -just beinq extra cautious and making sure we kept the 
cabin pressure from getting too high, and I have a - Milt Heflan 
does an outstanding job, looks after those systems very well. 
And he is a very conserative individual. And that's the way I'd 
like for him to stay. 

OLIVE TALLEY (DPI) Tommy, over here in the corner. Can you 
confirm that this is the first time that a failure of a space 
suit, itself, has caused the cancellation of an EVA or a moon 

HOLI,OWAY Let's back up a little bit, the failur of the 

backpack, the suit itself did not fail, unless you look at the 
entire system suit. 

TALLEY Okay, did either the backpack or the system.... 

HOLLOWAY Yes, I think you're correct in what you've said. 

This is the first time that I can remember that we have cancelled 
an EVA because of a failure of hardware. Now, in fact I don't 
remember an EVA being canceled in flight, although as you 
remember when we were first learning how to operate outside, in 
the Gemini program, we went throuqh a series of flights where we 
had some di f f icul i t ies and did not accomplish all the work that 
we would of liked to have done outside, but I don't remember 
cancelling one before we got outside, because of hardware 
problems . 

STS-5 CHANCE OP SHIFT BRIKHNG pOlljd 11/15/82 12 : 00 pm PAGE 

hA«irallv a perfect mission for 
PAT DOLAN (CNN) Tommy, you ^ Jasica JJV a P relatively 
4 days, only to be tripped up by the failure 

S'Jiu^nrghft'eS^eS'U LcTe* obvioL that the EVA had to he 

HOLLOWAY well. I think al , j^fwr a^e still 

disappointed, but in terms of our ove C ^ nsider that to be another 
focusing to-ard tomorrow ^Jl^hat we're not able to do 

milestone and soon a^ k ue«~aiuc -.^.j a^ttinq the crew, 

?ne EVA we started thinking jjout tomorrow, getting ^ ^ 
getting the testing done to help the pr g fcQ ao 

Program and secondly what did we nee t^ avaUable n<? 
the entry tomor row so we have v ^.^ probably , ^ w 11 

a«n b on l ml Tn two Tr ' tnree "ay " and then I'll be more moody than 
I am today. 

pA0 Reed Collins, CBS 

COLLI NS A CC U p!e of lotions J« J £ ^noir "I 

in HI..', suit, the 5™ d ijn perfec/suit in Mien and 

?"r, ioutlMSt of Stopped you, 

HOI XOWAV N= sir. «V ^"L^ocrtrretrS^'open'ine'na'tcn 

- 2js :rr ul Hrr;r, 1 £o U M» p st ick in, m. 

out the hatch, that would of been about it. 
still have a two man EVA? 

STE hard»°[e 'of JFVt also M " ! 
o! st»iliar'in the Apollo suits? 

HOIXOWAV «ell Harley "hS^-SS)^:""-""" 1 ' 

new type hardware. Ana lr yo et tno se questions for 

morning's briefing I think it Jl,™"^ lece 4 o£ hard-are, 1-m 
you. But as I understand it, it s a ne P ( , ace usea and 
^ra t !o l t ofSrituf t rt-ern%nrya?ious oo»ponenets but 

these are new pieces of hardware. 

pA0 Okay, get Jules up here. 

STS-5 CHANGE OF SHIFT BRIEFING pOllid 11/15/82 12:00 pm PAGE 3 

BERGMAN Looking backward Tommy on this morninq, is there 

anythinq you would of done differently? 

HOLLOWAY Not at this time. 

BERGMAN Two, let's say it's an EVA vital mission, where 

this kind of failure, can not be countenanced is there no way of 
puttinq a second or spare space suit aboard, stowinq it somewhere 
airlock, or locker or somewhere, so each crewmember has a spare. 

HOLLOWAY .lulos, I'm sure there is a way to do that, if you 

elect to do it, and are willing to pay the price in ascent 
performance and stowage space and so forth, there is a way to do 
it, if you're willinq i.o pay the price, and a place to stow it 
and the ascent performance to get it to orbit. 

PAO Paul Rocer. 

RECER I wonder if you could help us out a little bit on, 

give your thoughts on this. The Columbia's qoing to be retired 
before lonq , on 11 month vacation, almost 11 months, what are 
some of th» mods that are qoinq to be performed, and why is it 
taking so long? 

HOLLOWAY Well you know, I very carefully avoided the last 

five months following the modification that have been reviewed 
numerous times by the program, and in terms in what's goinq to be 
done to Columbia between now and the time that it flies on the 
next flight. So, I'd rather not answer that question. 

PAO I think the (garble) complete run down from the 

program office, and you had the distinction of askinq the last 
question. Thank you very much. 


STS-5 CHANGE OF SHIFT BRIEFING p012ja 11/15/82 6:00 pm PAGE 1 

PAO Okay, welcome to our, what will probably be our 

final chanqe of shift press conference for flight number 5. We 
have the off going orbit team flight director, John Cox with us 
and he'll review the things that we had during the last shift, 
and perhaps we may have a little bit more information on entry 
numbers here, John. 

COX Okay, thank you very much. This flight has really 

been a pleasure. I've enjoyed it and I think the crew really 
has. We've really demonstrated a very trouble free flight flying 
system, even though we did have the problems with the spacewalk 
today. I think we all learned from it and we gathered a lot of 
engineering data, rechecking and retesting. So, I think, all in 
all we even got something out of that episode today. As far as 
the flight accomplishments are concerned, I just a ran a quick 
list, or run down the list of primary objectives and the 
secondary and touchirary priority tests on the flight and that 
list just looks superb. The primary objectives were all 
accomplished, though they had to do a deploy and the pay load and 
those systems. The secondary level objectives, the only thing we 
didn't finish on that whole set, that we finally end up scheduled 
doing for the flight was the EVA. And the touchirary set, we 
virtually finished everything that was actually doable. Some of 
those things were shopping list, or if you could get around to 
them. And we probably could have picked them up today, except we 
spent the time troubleshooting the EVA, which if you go back to 
where we were that was a higher priority thing to do anyhow, 
so. We had a very successful flight, and I could give you a 
quick run down of the things that we did accomplish today, and 
then go down some of the entry information. The crew spent most 
of the afternoon and evening stowing the vehicle and getting all 
the EVA gear put away. We had a little extra stowage job for 
them today, because they had to put all the EVA gear today, away 
as well as the normal stowage. So we basically gave them their 
own time to accomplish all that activty. We finished up the 
evening with another good IMU alignment. We finally finished 
analyzing the aft station COAS cal data, and that turned out to 
be superb. We really liked that system, it has been repeatable 
now within a tenth of a degree and that's about as good is you 
can do with that system. We did another smoke detector test, 
which we do on a routine basis throughout the flight. One of the 
anomalies that we had been logging against the flight cleared 
itself, the light, the test hadn't been held in long enough and 
we asked the crew to make sure they hold it the full time and low 
and behold that liqht worked so. As far as the vehicle is 
concerned, it's just tough to find that many problems with it. 
Little update on the SRS, they have gone ahead and put themselves 
in their normal configuration, they've despun the portion that 
despins, they have the antenna deploy and their solar panel are 
raised, or deployed now, so they're in normal operatinq 
configuration, they'll do a few more com check before they go 
operational now. And the ANIK is going to go ahead and do their 

STS-5 CHANGE OF SHIFT BRIEFING P 012ja 11/15/82 6:00 pm PAGE 2 

hydraul c >f«action Hutte extra cooling in the freon 
hydraulic fluid to do a J^tle exc preliroi nary results 

loops. That data was all couect^, k exactly 

indicate that it di have a good ef ec t . We Uke u 

how much until ho ™ m bers all get ^ otob lem with the 

^operational! K - r^-^-J O.n.o^ 
EVA today, we had our standby system up and p ^ ^.^ ^ q£ 
^dyn^^cTo^ fnd E h y worked all right so that. 


reconfigurations just to make sure they've got ever/thinq a. 
opticas they can get it tomorrow but aK in all we r 
happy with the way the fixes went in ther e . i ne v 
currently in a 155 by 148 orbit f whic ^ will 

ab'e to make the final update to the state v^c . 
Hold it, should we have any p ob e, or anything, ^ 

hold it, should we have any p o» em or , ^ crew health for 
clear until Edwards opportunity in ^Je "orning. crewmen> And 
today is great, there's no problsn w th any or ^ 

the alternate would be J or ^ hr "P "-^/"w"^ qoing, the wind 
weather at Edwards that ^J** 9 ^; ^aoou? all you're 

is out at 240 at about 8 knots rignt no ' There won't be 

getting is a head wind, and that s on y 8 knots • ^ere ^ ^ 
any chance to get crosswin we ^Xp»T< »ln«s . 1 had that data 
that guy, even on this f i^t. ine p ^ Hghter 

here, but just a quick summary of that absolute l y no problem 

than normal, and looks Uke there s t that we miqht 

ESS £"5.. T^TJ^ -'Sunders and why cause you can't 

visual landing aids. I could g 1V .* 0 I°„ c i ou ds somewhere around 

STS-5 CHANGE OF SHIFT BRIEFING p012ja 11/15/82 6: 00 pm PAGF. 3 

7:36 tomorrow morning, with a landing at, an MET of 5 days, 2 
hours, 14 minutes and 43 seconds, or 8:33:43, tomorrow morninq, 
central standard time. And the one other thing as far as the 
entry is considered, concerned. If we do have to do a wave off, 
we will be making, phasing a just burn 6 minutes after the normal 
deorbit burn time, which will be at 5 days, 1 hour and 23 
minutes, and it will be a 60 foot per second maqnitude. And what 
that does, is brings in the landing site opportunites for day 1 
or 2 past the nominal. It brings them, the crossranges down to 
something that is a lot more flyable as far as their entry test 
maneuvers are concerned. As far as the crossranqe tomorrow, we 
should see at Edwards about a 579 mile crossrange, the deorbit 
delta V will be 267 feet per second, and we should land at 
sunrise plus about 7 minutes. 

PAO Okay, we'll go to questions here at Johnson Space 

Center and then we'll try the other ones, Andy Chakin, right 
behind you there Joey. 

CHAKIN John, assuming that you can answer this question 

from data that you get in flight. After 5 missions can you say 
anythinq about overall orbiter systems settling down to some kind 
of baseline, are you still in infant mortality on any systems? 
Did you have any anomalies, systems wise that didn't show up on 
other flights? Just a general question, is the orbiter settling 
down now? 

COX We've been saying that, just ourselves, we really 

are pleased with the vehicle, and we feel like the systems are 
really approaching maturity. 



STS-5 CHANGE-OF-SHIFT HRIEFING p012ib 11/15/82 6:00 pm 
iquw cox We don't seem to see any more surprises. 

T?ho«'?h i,"s r h o» n » C S H,ht a ?e=™a^ 1 ^ -hat really 

about that baoE Jhen? afs happened 2 or 3 more times since 

tKnUSIn th? S flight it happened and -body has any concern 

5hni , t it . Tt - was n ot pven reported as an anomaly. It s lu^c a 

e ™e i Uttie funny in itself. We feel like we 
inderstand Ct the interns real well now We ■ re ver y P ea se with 

the way the vehicle's performing and all in all we re v.ry nappy 
with this system. 

just one other thing. Hid the crew, did Lenoir 
and Allen express' their disappointment about the EVA in any way 

town cox Did vou - I don't know whether you heard the 

comment! but I can't remember if it was Bob or who all it was 
tSTcalled down, but they said they had a rjujh uje qe tting 
Bill out of the airlock. Looked like he wanted to stay in tnere 
and keep trying. 

I did hear something about Joe going into the 
airlock tomorrow morning. 

10HN COX It was Joe. I'm sorry. Joe was the one. Well, 

tZt was a followup to the comment. It was Joe was down in the 
airlock and the comment was wen. if he wants to stay in the 
airlock, we'd go ahead and take him out tomorrow once we get on 
the ground. 

JOHN BISNEY (RKO) You're not going to use autoland . You^ve 
landed at Edwards on concrete before. What is there new and 
different about this landing? What are you going to learn? 
You're not even going to get a headwind apparently. 
idhn COX No. We won't be - that's one of the things we 

won't'Se picking N °u P is the actual landing itself Je « be 
flvina test maneuvers during the entry profile and that will ne 
new SformatTon -<e have a continued series of those and we'll 
Ee able to add .hat data base but as far as actual Ending 

themselves we won't be picking that up. We do have a 
bJea^n^es^nd'w^^l^earning'something about the breaking, 
aiding to our knowledge based on that. 

JERRY HANNITHON (TIME) John is there a lesson in these 2 

STS-5 CHANGE-OF-SH I FT BRIEFING p012jb 11/15/82 

6:00 pm PAGE 2 

circulation system in anotln 

which didn't work. What's the 

bottom line? what's the message on this to us? 
JOHN COX I Hon't think we've analyzed anything far enough 

to qive vou the bottom line. I wish we nad. if we had, we 
p?obably Y would have taken a shot at getting infixed and trying 
to do the EVA today, but I think until we get the Problems, or 
the funnies that we did spa anyhow, the regulator snift and the 
fan indent analyzed, I can't really tell you. There may be a 
bottom line but we haven't found it yet. 

HANNITHON A quick correlary, is this the way to go with a 4 

psi system requiring this long prebreathing? 

■JOHN COX The nrcbreathe is not the suit type of thing, 

while, okay, if you had a high pressure suit and that is one 
thing that the program has been looking at down the line and I 
tb nk maybe someday they'll consider that, but at the moment we - 
you know" until weunder stand what these problems were that we 
La on this one, I don't think anybody thinks toat the system 
that we hav* isn't totallv adequate and will do the Tob *s 
panned. It's iust a matter of finding out what these problems 
were . 

PftO Okay. Paul Reeer. 

PAUL RECER Sneaking of lessons we have learned, did you pick up 
anything regarding habitibility onboard the spacecraft with this 
gang of 4 in there? 

JOHN COX Well we did, as far as the 4 people were 

concerned, 1 think we found it's quite livable. I think we also 
f™nd thai as far as the humidity sepe, ator s are concerned,- 

found that as tar as tnc nunuiuu . uw,.. ~ — . 

m y be pushing the operation of one to the limit- .^.^ "^as 
to havp 2 running most of the time. One does the iob but it has 
appeared that we're kind of up on the edge of what will do We 
did notice that after checking humidity seos, the Bl prob blv was 
running a little bit dearaded so that was the reason we (i d end 
up o 2 for a while and then back when A worked, ^seemed to he 
holding it, but we hadn't ever seen that before as far as -Aether 
it could keep un with the 2 man crew, so that's a little thing 
there. We learned a little bit about sleep restraints and the 
fact that they can all float around down in that lower area , i 
tMnk it's a funny looking type of system, but they al seem to 
comment that that was no problem sleeping, even with all Jo. 
them in there. They did comment from time to time, they thought 
they may have bumped a few things and I think 2 crewmen can do 
that, but obviously 4 can do that a little more. They did not 
comment that they had any problem, it was Tust a mat ter of - we 
had worked out the logistics of it in advance and I think it 
worked all right of preparing food and being able to eat 
together. Using the waste management system turned out to be no 

STS-5 CHANGR-OF-SHIFT BRTKFING p012jb 11/15/82 6:00 pm PAGR 1 

oroblem. As a matter of fact, the modifications that were done 
on it appeared to work real well. They did make the qeneral 
comments and that's the reason we had gone to the wireless 
headset things. Anytime you use devices that had cables or what 
r.ot that you strao ud for experiment reasons or what not down 
there, that does get in the way and with a 4 man crew, that even 
gets more in the way. So, we're looking at attaching things on 
the walls and trying to keep the cables out of the way, but I 
think other than that, we found out that 4 men working together 
works out real well. We have found that in training and in 
fliqht, that you give the crew a difficult task to do and 4 men 
can really do a super job getting that task done. There's almost 
nothing that - you' know you might push 2 men to the ultimate 
limit and when 4 people are there, it's a piece of cake. It's 
really easy. 

PAo Okay. Tf we don't have any others here, we'll 

move to Marshall and then come back here after we get the other 
centers . 

DAVE POOLING ( HUNTSVI LLK TIMES) Did the crew give you any kind 
of readout or indications of what activities they were involved 
in today besides stowage. Did stowage take up all of their time? 

JOHN COX From the time I came on, ntowage was the main 

business. We did have some just normal business. At the end of 
the day we do the IMU alignment-, we change out the lithium 
hydroxide cannir.ters, we took du .a on the temperatures on the 2 
pams, the cradle information that's there to see how those 
temperature profiles and they've been holdinq flat. All the 
heaters have' been working just fine on them. We did complete 
that hydraulic interaction test. There's not much crew 
involvement with that other than just making sure some switches 
are in the right position so that the ground could operate 
them. And they did the smoke detector test and the IMU 
alignments, so there was the normal routine type of business that 
we do normally at the beginning of each day and the end of each 
day but primarily what they were looking at doing this 
afternoon or this evening was to get all the EVA gear stowed, 
get the normal stowage done that you do prior to entry, and then 
they spend the evening noing ahead and reviewing the entry 
procedures and checklists and we did have those changes as minor 
as they were upl inked. One of them was to give the Commander a 
good comm system for entry. We did have that one circuit breaker 
pop earlier in the flight. We had reset it once and it popped a 
day later so that was for the Commander's ATI) and we thought 
well, why mess with it. Let's not chance it. We'll just run a 
longer cable and hook it up to the back and so we sent him the 
message to tell him how to do that, and that's about the jist of 
the changes that we had for entry. 


STS-5 CHANGE-OP- SHI FT BRIEFING p012jb 11/15/82 6:00 pm 

conEiqutaUo^an^then pretty mjch celdx! I ^ 

Bill Lenoir will be wearing that rlurinq entry. 

STS-5' CHANGE OF SHIFT BRIEFING p012jc 11/15/92 6:00 pm PAGE I 
~ ox There's been a strong desire all. throughout the 

flight to pick up that as a catch as natch can t -.ype of thing. So 
that's one of the activities they all can participate in. Almost 
for free that vear would be out. We would probably find a few 
other items hkn that, but you'll Uso have to -derstard ,,it 
there's not a whole lot of tim- left in the dav once you do back 
out of the deorbit con f i qu nt ion . We do hav" to o.-pns rieiht on 
and do a phasing burn, so you can't exactly stop that ^eltne 
earlv, you've got to proceed riqht on through the timeli™ 
ahead do the phasing burn and then you s — <- hark,n 
activities, so a great deal of the crew' 
consumed by that time. 

DOOLING And back on the hababilitv subject briefly. Did 

they make anv consents about problems with all four of them 
working up in th,-- flight deck and havinq the election seats in 
the way? Or nore properly, the backs of the ejection seats? 

~ nx T didn't recall anv problems, you know that that 

does add to the volume that is consumed in there. Tne V j] 1 ?" * 
comment specifically about 'hat, they've been living with that 
oroblem all through the training, so they understand it s there. 
Ev-rybody rea'.izer, it be a lot nicer to work without those 
eiection seat-- in there. Hut, they have worked out, the only 
time that' they have to all work together like that was during the 
deploy operations, and that had been practiced so many times that 
I don't think there was any problem associated with it at all, 
they just reported normal operations. 

PA0 Okay, thank you, no further questions from 

Marshal 1 . 

PA0 okay, I understand there are no other questions at 

other centers, we'll come back, John Bisney. 

fUSNFY Besides wearinq the gear that you just mentioned, 

what 'will be Bill Lenoir be doing during reentry and landing? 

cox i believe he'll probably be doing some eye motions, 

I don't remember all the exact things, he's worked it out with 
Bill Thorton for that medical DSO, but he also has a little pad 
where he'll be doing the kinestetic repeatability type of thing, 
only just using a knee pad, he'll make a mark on the pad, and 
then try to repeat it with different g levels as the gravity 
field comes back onto him and see if he gets a difference in the 
motor reflexes. He'll also be doing a partial test of the eye 
motion part during the entry because he'll have all that gear 
on. He gets a lot of that for free, just moving his eyes around 
anyhow, the data is recorded. 

STS-5 CHANGE OF SHIFT BRIEF INC P 012jc 11/15/82 *:00 pm PAGE 2 

rtlSNEY I guess what I'm qetting, trying to get you to tell 

me is, what he won't be doinq, he's the first fella who won t 
have any primary flight duties during a lanomg is that correct. 

cox Yes, just like Joe sat downstairs going up, Bill 

will be sitting downstairs going down. And we've always wondered 
how long he'd really hang around up on the flight deck. We n 
wait and see when the first time we get data turned on from that 
EOG experiment, but it's kinda tough not to be up there and watch 
the entry, but there is no seat up there. 

PAO Okay, over here. 

Could you explain a what will be involved in the 
major mod that is planned after Columbia lands. 

r> ox Well, I haven't spent any time with that mod. The 

only thing that I know they have to do, is try to get it ready 
for the next flight, which apparently is headed to be the Space 
lab fliqht. So, that's the type of stuff you know has to be 
done, there has been several things that people have wanted to 
add to the kitty of things, but I have no idea at this time 
what's in and what's out, what the options are. 

PA0 if you need that we can set you up with an 

interview tomorrow with some of the program officials. Just 
check with the interview desk. 

Oo vou know of any problems, perhaps you don't 
know this either, but do vou know of any problems with the 
Challenger so far? Have you been kept informed on that? 

cox no, I don't know of any specific problems. And I 

haven't made an effort to try and keep up with them The last 
several months preparing for this on- has kept me plenty busy. 

PAO Okay, Olive. 

TALLEY Are you qoing to have beer and burritos waiting for 

them when they come home? 

rox i expect so. That's a favorite, during the 

training sessions, it's been very popular during our SIMS to have 
somebody volunteer to run out and pick up an order of Burritos or 

something else like that, and while they were over in the 

simulator, it's been a joke, you can call up on the air to qround 
and you can take their order Cor burritos also, and then run them 
over to them. t doesn't work quite that way, the way we re set 
up now though. 

KNO or 


lfi'82 10:00 am PAGK 1 

nftYur.N (PAO) Good nsorninq, a couple of wfr, fir ';t, tt you 
fil inM .(.( i!, v»- h >PP" < • t t ■ ! y r »S WO people !--f- today to 

i!r ji o( i nq Vimm r ow ' nor n Vnci ' At 11:00. Snmo procedure that we 
would,' olf.i hoi.) yii.ii .pi.-r-,t!or,;-. tor the mik«? when it come:: ,w»> and Affiliation. With u-- tht« roorninq is 
.' , ,w-..,r. »ja;a ,.-,.■,.<■!.'.■ .,'Uini:tr,itor for 

in.Vi- trial oeonl", and in this cane, McDonnell 
J;J.r l n'rom^rirAl* d..v»-lopment of the pay load assist module 

h h i o : !-o Ht th- rvwnnicHion satellites from the low 
*' .I, nrbl \ that th- shuttle ha;; very succors f u 1 I y up to the 
-vnchornoui orbit that t*o communication natctl ! ites demand. That 
"ji { oo„r itPd verv very sn. •<:•><;■; f .i l 1 v , and I'll qivc you }ust a 
a i ' pre ! imi n >ry report on that. p. •member that the first day, 
th^'fiUt satellite out "of the bav war, the Satellite Business 
0 j. . comm imcit ion" «nt*M t i te, made by Huqhes, both of them 
wlr/'^do by" Huqhes, ' but' one was slightly different than the 
oth^r. That firr. t one, i'". up, T qot a report from them last 
niqht, thHV had decloyed all their antennar., they had made r,ome 
of their initial cher>.n, thev don't have an operational service, 
but- >-hey ,n felt oreat enouqh about it to qo out and have a 
qrear. patty la-t niqht, -,o they're feelinq qood ?he second 
Spacecraft t-hat we r>ot up war; the Telostat Canada ANIK, and of 
pours* that was 1-iter in the timeline, they today, they will be 
qoinq throuqh thoir apoqee kick motor, or wherp they lmect into 
the sychomoua orbit at the top, and all their telemetry 
indicate of course that they also have a qood satellite. But 
they're not quite as Tar in the procedure of qettinq it ready to 
go into operational service. Rut they're very happy, they're 

lust, sometimes the fananarlians are very careful, and they have 

STS-S POST LANDING BRIEFING p013da 11/16/82 10:00 am PAGE 2 

their Dart ies afterward, but they really have qood parties, 
too. so, I think the key at least as far as we're concerned is 
this was a first initial operational flight, and we did do what 
the commander said, we deliver. Now, that doesn't mean that 
there weren't some problems on the flight, and of course the one 
that disappointed us, all of us, verv significantly, and I think 
the two crewman, Bill Lenoir and Joe Allen, most of all, ami 
that's that we didn't get to go out on the EVA on this flight. 
And I'd like to trv to just put that in context as well. Through 
the four R & D flights, or the OFT, we call it, the Operational 
Plight Test ohase of the shuttle, we were working on many test 
objectives just to ensure that the shuttle itself performed the 
way it was designed, and those were a sequence of those kinds of 
tests. Now on those flights you recall, we did have some 
payloads. And, those payloads were secondary to that Fliqht test 
objective. That's now changed, but we still have some flight 
test objectives. We're building to, and this is part of the 
revolution that I talked about. We're building to a time when 
the shuttle will really change the way we do business in space. 
And," one of the first demonstrations of that will be next spring, 
not this cominq spring, but in 1934, where we'll go up and repair 
a sick satellite the scientific satellite, the Solar Max 
Mission. And we'll put '.light crewman out, we'll use a Manned 
Maneuvering Unit go over to the satellite which has several 
failures in it, we'll stop it from doing a slow rotation which 
isn't verv qood for a telescope, and that's what it is, it's a 
scientific tolpscoofi. And then we'll change out several of the 
modules. in an attempt to f i x it in orbit, and by the way, again 
with the flexibility the shuttle, if for some reason we have a 
problem with that, we'll just put it back in the payload bay and 
bring it back down and fix it on the ground. So that s what 
we're doinq. Now, what is the relationship to the EVA on this 
particular mission to that one and to the whole subsequent future 
of the shuttle program. .lust like everything else that we do at 
NASA we try to approach it in little logical steps. Today's EVA 
was important, or rather this mission's EVA was important. It 
was important and in fact, I accelerated it in the EVA schedule 
for this mission because I wanted an early look at cne kinds or 
problems that we miqht have. An early opportunity to check out 
the suits, the procedures, and to begin to mature our EVA 
operations. And, I think that it was a wise thing, because of 
course, we found a problem. We don't know as of yet lust what 
kind of, how serious these problems are, we already have an 
investigation team formed, and as soon as we get the suits back 
to Johnson, we'll proceed with that investigation. It's my hope, 
and I think the highest probablity is that that those are 
probably some fairly simple problem areas because the suits have 
gone through a very careful and very extensive checkout over a 
long period of time. That doesn't mean that we're not as I say, 
both disappointed and concerned that wc had this particular 
problem. But all we'll do is that, on the next available flight, 
we'll start again. And we'll do another EVA again to work on 

STS-5 POST LAND [NO RRIEFINO pOnda 11/16/82 10:00 am PA OK 3 

these same objectives to begin to i mprove our procedures and to 
make sure the equipment and the oeonle arc working right, so that 
we'll be ready for the Solar Max Mission, and the other RVA 
systems or EVA activities. The shuttle is a manned system and in 
order to exploit the shuttle as a manned system we want to he 
able to use the man effectively, inside the vehicle and simply 
and effectively outside the vehicle. So, this was a loss and I 
don't want to try to make that loss any less or to down Dlav the 
problem. Rut we'll get up again verv very soon. And in* fact 
during the flight as soon as on Saturday, we made the decision 
that we would not he able to go RVA on the flight. We got the 
crew in from the sixth flight, and we looked at their training 
status and tried to see, can we fit that into their flight, and 
there is an opportunity and provided we know percisely what's 
wrong and we have it corrected and we have con f i dence ' i n that 
correction, then I believe we have a slightly different EVA 
activity on the sixth flight. If for some reason the solution to 
the problem takes a little longer than that then we'll qp t it. n n 
the seventh. So it's a process of buildinn up that exoorience 
for our STS-13 mission, the Solar Max Mission, and that's kinda 
the way we look at. one particular problem. Now, if vou look at 
all the rest of the mission, in fact it was a real ly' rather 
boring mission in that from the viewpoint of the equipment 
working, we had minor minor problems, and what we're seeina hnr-< 
are two things. We're seeing the maturation of the space shuttle 
as a system, but we're also seeim something that every oilot and 
every maintenance man knows very well, and that's when you keep 
an airplane in the air and you flv it over and over again then 
it stays healthy, and in fact the most dangerous thing you do i n 
an airplane is you keep it on the ground, so what we're doing is 
we re getting our re-usable Spacecraft, we're working out all of 
the bugs, and they're working effectively, so we're deMqhted 
with this mission, we're specially delighted with the perform 
of the crew. And of course the team that backs ud that cr«w 
And with that, I guess I'd like to open to any questions. 

PA0 . We'll take questions now. I guess everybody 

thought it was a good mission, right? One back in the corner. 

PAO nob r.ock from AP. 

BOB LOCK AP First look at the ship, anv damage, tile damaqe, 
the general, the shuttle itself, what kind of shape are we in? 

ABRAHAMSON We do have two little chips on two tiles back in 
the OMS pod, I haven't qotten the final report from the 
walkaround on the ground at this point, we knew about those two 


11/16/82 10:00 am PAGE 4 

little chips 
kind of a sei 
more like a i 

... the air, we didn't consider that those are anv 
lous problem. it's beginning to look a little bit 
;ed space ship all the time now. 

STS-S POST LANDING BRIF.FTNC, pOlldb 11/16/82 10 am PAO? 1 

ABRAHAMSON on the TV, if you notice you know, it s 

to have a few streaks on it here and there. We'd like 
look shiny and new, but I'd rather have it perform in 
way, that we all know about. So, if it looks a little 
doesn't bother us. 


any ch, 
on thi: 

to have it 
i reliable 
used, it 

Okay, let' 

me to JSC for quest io 

On the WAs for, on 6 or 7, do you plan to make 
i the probreathinq system that was planned for use 

Who h.ive wo got talking, please. 



• ■ce 

of the 

ociated Pre 

ABRAHAMSON Paul, for the immediate futur. 

using the same qeneral protocol that we had « 
Tt's one that we have confidence in, and it' 
the proper relationship between the pressure 
the pressure of the suit. We'll work and w~ 
are progressing with a set if additional te 
alternate modes which might give us a littl 
the future, but that's a lonq term program, 
immediate fliqhts we expect that we'll us>- 
same. There might be some minor adjustment 
stay within a medical protocol that" 
large number of tests 
subjects . 



e ' 1 1 probably be 
his mission, 
e that the, both 
the orbi ter and 
conf ident 
sts to look at 
e more flexibility in 
And for 


•ry i 



we ' 1 1 try t< 
-.tabl ished based 
large number of 

Craig Covalt, Aviation Week 

Abe what type of EVA are you looking at on STS-6? 

ABRAHAMSON Okay, Craig, thank you, 

man, sometimes. One of the most preci 
of our fliqhts is the flight ere 
all realize just what a job < 

re a good straight 
sources we have on any 
training time. You may not 
having getting them trained in 
each of their tasks. And remember, we're not just training one 
flight crew at a time now, we're training many flight crews, in 
the sequence of missions. So we're going to have a sliqhtly, if 
we do indeed get the problem solved, and if we are then able to 
get up on STS-6, we will change the specific objectives. 
Remember this time we had a set of simulator tasks associated 
with the solar max mission. On STS-6, the crew is already been 
training in the backup mode of qoing out and making some repair 
actions and corrective actions for the deployment of the T-DRIS 
satellite, the Trackina and Data Relay Satellite, that we M 1 be 
putting out on STS-6. And even if that is a successful mission, 
and we surely expect it to be. What we'll do is we'll go out, 
utilize the training that the crew already has and we'll exercise 
some of those procedures that are associat-d with the cradle that 


STS-5 POST LANDING BRIEFING pOlldb U/16/82 10 .,m PACK 2 

spin* ^ n i T t i a ^??Kuv S 5?1?e?r„t th o:o^!! ite A;a ^7 

£oi5«*? it'll, probably be still different. 

Carlos Byars, Houston Chronicle 

-1 fhi. «nMil an extension of either STS-6 

„n, c";/;;,; us " ~« *»« ^ »•» 

well optimizer! time lino. 

•TERRY HANN I SAN (TIME MACHINE) This w,, .max hr^akinq Roinf? 

maybe on the tiros? Ann now .onq , horten ^ 
fairly short down the runway, war, it the .sorter, 

, h,,,. 1 oreliminary look at the rollout data 

mR TT^ int in SI wrv/ And it looks like somewhere 

■cM.le the press conference here to earlv. 

CARLOS BYARS (HOUSTON CHRONICLE) Wi th J f oil ow up to tha t 
question. Do yon have pre .mn. ry r.ado u J r u ? 
touchdown itself? Was it over, unm. 

ARRAHAMSON U looked iust about on to me. Again. 

U Sed like between 1,000 and l.SOO foot down the 
that's iust about the riqht place. 
PA0 This gentleman here. 

MIKE MECHER (GINNET, Are you still on the .Tanuary 20 STS-6 

_ . u iK. a Ud have had trouble, I think 
ABRAHAMSON No we ' re not Mike . We hav^ na enqin es 

have kind of nurse the engines through it. 

STS-5 POST LANDING BRIEFING p013db 11/16/82 10 am PAGE 3 

engines down at the Cane and installed in the Challenger. There 
are a few parts yet for changeout and some followup work that 
we're doing. The way we have now set the timeline is what we've 
indicated is that the mission can't be before the 24th of 
January. And the key to it is just how fast we can safely move 
into doing our flight readiness firing. I felt that it was 
important on this first flight of a new vehicle and first flight 
of a whole new set of engines, pngines that are intended to go to 
a much higher thrust level, that we do get the confidence that 
goes with the flight readiness firing. Now what that has done is 
that has inserted an extra two weeks of activity into our 
timeline for this flight. And it was of course, never planned 
for until that decision was made, and that's just being a little 
conservative. So, our estimate of the timing is no earlier than 
the 24th of January, and hopefully no later than around the 4th 
of February. But we won't make the final decision until we know 
a little bit more about our success in approaching the flight 
readiness firing. And we're also looking to get some information 
on what haopened with the inertial upper stage telemetry. We 
want to understand that, iust so that, because of course this 
will be the first flight of the inertial upper stage in the space 
shuttle. So when we get both of those information, we'll make 
that decision, and that'll probably be early in the December time 
frame . 

CHAKTN General Abrahamson, Andy Chakin from Sky and 

Telescope. Two questions: Would any delav in STS-6 affect the 
downstream missions? And also, would the driver on a EVA for 6 
or 7 be, how long it takes to figure out. what went wrong with the 
suit, or how long it would it take to train the crew? 

ABRAHAMSON Okav, let me answer the second question first. 

The driver is, we've already on number 6, picked an EVA protocol 
that will be, or a procedure that the crew is fairly well trained 
in. So the oroblem is to fix the suit and to know that we've got 
in fact a good solid solution and that we have the reliability of 
the suits at the level that we have a high probability of success 
on the mission. So that's the important parameter for the EVA on 
6 and 7. How about repeating your first question for me. 

CHAKIN First question was, would any delay in 6 force 

slippage of downstream missions, or can't you tell yet? 

ABRAHAMSON If it were a major delay of course, it would have 

an effect on 7. But we can absorb ?. minor delay. 

PAO Okay, we'll go to Marshall for questions. 

Jim, let me ask you a question that I asked Glynn 
Lunney yesterday, and I wasn't fully satisfied with the answer. 
NASA has tauted the Shuttle as the most flexible space vehicle to 
come along yet. Why can't you simply add Lenoir and Allen to the 

STS _ 5 post LANDING BRIRFINC, pOUdh 1.1/16/82 10 am PARE 4 

crew of STS-6, and the work station and simply qo ahna.1 and fly 

the RVA that was attempted this time? 

made that decision yet. 

Okay, so the KVA that Muskqrave and Peterson mi qht 
do, would simoly involve cranking the I US cradle hack , o«n i nto 
position. And there would he no solar max really to repair ta.,k 
on that? 

ARRAHAMSON In all likelyhood, that would be at loar.t the 

primary source of it, yes. 

Mo further questions from Marshall. 
pA0 Let's go to Kennedy renter now. 

RARBARY H,neral this i s .1 . Harhary at '^your 

questions, I'll ask them in order, first: Tf ^ 2i"ion 
PVA on the next mission, STS-6, will you confer jsing mission 
soecialist Rally Ride on ST.R-7 for spacewaW? 

STS-S POST LANDING BRIEFING P 013dc U/16/82 10 :00am Paqe 1 

t-o ijp like --^veral of you are 
ABRAMAMSON You k now , it . s° un j£ ." nt crew . We . re qoinq to 

all in the employ of several of our ^ , alonq with 

have to check that. Surely, we I ° st t to he 

evervbody. The crew "^^^Xnt 'process and how we 
serious about this, J^the irew's skills into the overall 

allocate the, best allow « h crew ^ consider 

time line is a ver y como ^atjd t * n ^ . fe con siderinq adding 
everyone of those Kind 0 ;.°P^ons. alrea ,, Y in training but 

crewmen to some of our Ugh ts that a re a Lr y ^ 
we haven't made those final decisions ^ aU Qf the 

for me to comment in ^ail on n ' be doliqhted for your 

astronauts that you've mentioned win 
interest . 

joo. my second question is, you --tioner , the 
. v,oro ^t- •-he Tane. That. Mh ^, 

other day while you're o ^ » qhtlarvH ng at Awards 

Columbia's next J" 11 J D i onr /\o out ant i -collision lights 

on'coXb^for IS entrancVthrough the atmosphere, 
ABRAHAMSON No, there are no P|ans at all.^ ^ere ' up^r ettv 

morning I was qoing over f^^Vt the lighting scheme that 
early out here in ^he dark looking at . ^^.^ li9hting 

schemed Z ^ ^ -lision Uhts on. 

And finally, how many fliohts on th* schedule 
right now in 1983? 


very nice thing. Let s not iu ..t w . timP anrt I think 

talk about what we're doing at th ^ W)atre mov j n(J 

it's helpful for you to ge t feel lor t activitiy base with a 
in 1983 into a very, very chal e ^ in ^' ™' r which is obviously 
tJ t of, in addition the o^rational character wh ^ ^ ^ do 

our first and P^^^^^^wL e series of others and let me 
those things, we're doing a whoje s f 1 ight of a new 

just read a few to you here "this base now the first 

orbiter, and by the way, I'm ^^^^ with the flight 
year of operational f J^hts. Tha 3 d be back down on 

r i r Ft r irb K.r:^«" 

deal of increased payload "P^ 1 *"* 0 ^l„ ce solid rocket booster 
cost. The first °* * ?'2^ 0 u! "* Stah at what I call 

ISZ SeVsSccessf^: ^^..M^-iS.- - 

STS-5 POST LANDINC1 MRIEFIN'G p013do 11/16/82 10:00am Page 2 

trajectory HfieU, we can improve our payload throw away 
performance itself. The first space lab. That means our first 
six man mission itself, six person mission. The first dedicated 

? flight. That's STS-10. We'll deploy 5 commercial satellites 
using the payload assist module that McDonnell Douglas has 
developed. We'll deploy 2 TDRSS , our tracking and data relay 
satellites. Those are important to the space lab missions, hot 
more than that, that'll save us a great deal of, we'll simplify 
our worldwide tracking net and it'll save us all money in the , 
process and give us better coverage including for some of the 
news activities. The first demonstration of an around-the-clock 
crew operations aboard the orbiter so that we have people 
sleeping and working in a three shift kind of operation. We'll 
have several EVA activities. We'll have the first proximity 
operation meaning we'll have a small satellite. it is the German 
Spaas, which doesn't look like a satellite at all, which will be 
operated out of the shuttle bay, fly around the satellite itself 
and then we'll go get it with the arm. So that'll be the first 
arm (garble) scrapie of the pref lying satellite. We'll have the 
first, we hope if we can resolve some of our Droblems, the first 
automatic landing. We'll have the first night landing here at' 
Edwards on STS-8. On the sixth flight, the first use of a heads 
up display which we think will help us even more although we'v*' 
got some really great and accurate landinqs at this time We'll 
continue developing a short field land ing tech que which w/ 
would use if we were going to go into our transatlantic abort 
site. That kind of thing. So you can see we have a very 
challenging schedule for those 5 flights that will go ahead in 
tnis, in this next year. We should have a minimum, and notice I 
stress a minimum, of 32 NASA astronauts and 3 payload specialists 
? r " '^f 1 ^ hat wi11 have flown in the Space Shuttle Program in 
from STS-1 through that STS-10. Tf you want to compare that to 
Apollo, that was some 33 astronauts that flew in a period of 4 
years and 2 months under the Apollo Droqram. And I stress 
minimum because we have - ... 

approved a policy of expanded 

payload specialist operations so we'll probably be adding both to 
our own crews, with our own crows - our own mission specialists, 
and some, we hope, some people that otherwise may not have had a 
chance to fly. we're trying to expand the Shuttle Program 
Remember the Shuttle Program is something that belongs to the 
American people and to our friends and it really is something. 
It belongs to everyone of us and we're trying to expand it and 
make it commercially useful, scientifically useful, important to 
our Defense Program and just make it more and more accessible to 
every aspect of the American economy. And that's what it's all 
about. Ry the way, we'll also have a great number of student 
experiments on this and l think many of you know that I'm very 
interested in that part of the program and T do happen to have 
one of our experimenters on this flight and if scot, if V ou 
wouldn t mind and Gil, would you mind coming ud and you might 

i f,- ? j u St comment b ^efiy on what you've done. Mr. Gil Moore 
ot Utah who was the sponsor of one of our students on this flight 

STS-5 POST LANDING BRIEFING p013dc 11/16/82 10:00am Page 3 

and Scot Thomas from Utah State, perhaps you'd like to say a word 
for all of us, Scot. 

SCOT THOMAS I had an experiment in the middeck on this flight 
to study circulations in a heated liquid and it was just mixing 
in the heated liquid and on the earth, that's caused by gravity 
like hot air rises. But in zero g other things can cause 
circulations also. And it's going to be important to understand 
those for the future materials processing industry. So my 
experiment was conducted by Joe Allen on Sunday morning and we 
had 2 boxes, a control box and a pan assembly, and the pan 
assembly had 7 experimental pans. They're aluminum pans with 
heaters in them and Joe would take some syringes that were 
orefilled with an oil and squirt them into the pans and then turn 
the heat on to the pans. And we had some unexpected results. 
The liquid behaved unexpectedly in the pans. It didn't spread 
out evenly on the bottom but we still did get some results. We 
did see some circulations and we were able to fix the problem and 
get the pans filled up correctly later but we're not sure what 
the circulations looked like after that so we'll be anxious to 
look for the final results. 

ABRAHAMSON Anybody want to ask Scot a question. I can assure 

you that his, that none of us can keep up with him in terms of 
his technology. Thank you Scot. 

Bill would you like to... 

GIL MOORE I just wanted to say one thing about the 

operations. We were blessed by the fact that NASA gave us an 
opportunity to sit in the MOCR. Scot got to sit at the payload 
station in' MOCR and Joo was having some difficulty tryinq to get 
the circulation established and Scot had the opportunity to watch 
this on a video downlink and then to communicate through the 
mission controllers through the CAPCOM to Joe and say Joe I would 
like to suggest that what you do at this particular point is tap 
this dude and get it to shake a little bit and break up that 
problem and Joe says T promised you I wouldn't do that, I 
wouldn't bounce this thing around but I'll do what you say. And 
he also was able to show Joe a technique for injecting the fluid 
underneath the rim of the package in order to get good adhesion 
on the base and the data that we would have gotten may not have 
been so great, but this opportunity that was provided by this 
system allowed him to make this man/machine interaction. It's a 
perfect example of what can occur when you have man and machine 
and it was neat to have it happen with an 18 year old kid dealing 
with a very talented and a very dedicated astronaut and we would 
like to thank NASA for that fantastic opportunity. 

SCOT THOMAS I would like to thank NASA and Marshall and 
Johnson and Kennedy for all their help and also Fikol for making 
the experiment possible for sponsoring. It was a fantastic 

STS-5 POST LANDING BRIEFING pOL3dc 11/16/82 10:00am Page 4 

DRYDEN (PAO) Okay, small commercial for one of my favorite 
parts of the program. Anybody else have any other questions? 

(qarble) Kennedy we're still you. 

BRIDGE TURNELL (BBC) General Abrahams this is Bridge Turnell, 
BBC. Two questions. First, practical one. About space sickness 
you're very naturally full of optimism but the fact is we've had 
half of the crewmen, 6 out of 12, have suffered from nausea. 
This seems to have reappeared as a major problem. Do you feel 

ABRAHAMSON Yea, I'd, your number's about right. We have had 

varying symptoms with approximately 50 percent of our people. 
And', by the way, if you go back over the history of space flight 
including some of the activities that the Russians have had, at 
least to the extent that we've all shared data - and by the way 
that has been an area where we have had qood communication with 
the Russians particularly in the early days when they did a lot 
of experimenting as we did - that percentage somewhere between 30 
and 50 percent of the people having varying degrees or/of 
symptoms of space sickness. Now this is, this is something that 
is a rather complicated phenomenon but I believe that, and I 
don't want to downgrade this. 

STS-5 POST LANDING BRIEFING pOUdd 11/16/82 10 : 00 am Page 1 

;;;v:.t - s = = «:,;:";"";' 

some accommodation or that we try t P Qf 

nave cadence that we're not goinq to get any s ide eff ects, 

r.d^e^r.o^L^rnr^r^i^Nr^t-?-?;^ 5^ : b . k? J- 

believe! a lot of research to solve. Rut the important part 
about this problem is that we're qoinq the 
missions and we're getting them done properly and well. 
Sometimes there may be some minor affect, but it i.n t 
interfering. Therefore, and we don't anticipate that it win 

nterfere and we're going to do our best to avo d tha 
suspect you've gone to work cornet J««' JJJ^ 1 "^p^ that 

R?2 32. S/SK ^Vinese A* 
job in the world and they do it and they do it well. 

And could I go back to the human angle for a 
moment. Presumably by now, you've got an STS-l crew preparing 
for the first exercise with the MMU. Can you help us to 
speculate who's likely to be the first man or woman to use that 
manned maneuvering unit on STS-11? 

ABRAHAMSON Actually, we're look i ng at var i ations on Just how 

early it may be possible to exercise the MMU, and we nave not y 
announced the STS-l I crew and would be premature for me to 
comment on that at this time. 

PA0 okay, we'll qo back to Johnson for one question. 

BERGMAN Abe, I have two questions. I'm a little P u « l *J 

abouJnow EVA could have gone from being a minor goal on the STS- 
ff Ugh? until this past summer, to now being a maior mission 

ABRAHAMSON Okay, I think that's a good P^pective question. 

Sules? We've had on our, in the OFT portion of the flight 

STS-5 POST LANDING BRIEFING pOlMrt H/1S/82 10.00 am Paqf 7 

go outside for EVA activities, hut the training that wa- -ion . 
with the EVA concept that EVA was to solve a very critical 
p oolem during tha? time. Now as I say, we' -trying to loo, 

"b t operate both inside and outside with equal ease, 

and to L able to utilize man's ability on the spot, and 
therefore it's just the time in the program that we should now 
oeq" ?o Zeroise that, buildup our experience base, and improve 
our procedures, improve our equipment. As you ^ d 
to improve our equipment, so we are moving into that pha.e and 
it's just the right time in the program, that s all Jule.,. 

RFRfiMAN Secondly, supposing you had had a critical 

faSe, let's say thepayload bay doors refuse to close and yo 
had to send a crewman out wearing one of those s t on the first 
four Vst flights, the OFT phase, and the fan failed cm his suit, 
the way it did on Joe's, Tuesday, wouldn't that have left us up 
the creek witn a dead crewman? 

ABRAHAMSON Well, I think going so far as a dead crewman , to 

that conclusion T think that's a little dramatic. Let 

- . . , . . ; c : _ * 1 l .. Ostm nmho T* hflli TWO S 

make that conclusion T trun* tnac * * 1 1 ^ ^ — — *- ■ 

lilZivo the potential for the crewman to get a case of the 
S nd^^under^absolute emergency condition we would perhaps, 
accept some of that risk associated with bends , lust as i n tne 
oast in diving, if there was an emergency sometimes they had to 
Accept the risk associated with that. And by the way, we have a 
SpSbaric chamber on the Space Shuttle, - at if in deed we did 
get 'a case of bends, and that hyperbaric chamber is the > oc< 
u MhlMtinn with the suit. So, that was a troublesome kind of 
prob^mT t's r 'th: h kin5 e of U problem'that, in an emergency you 
tre^t it differently than you do on a test program, where you 
ton'l want 1 " accep? those'same, that risk level that jou have to 
, rrPDt wn en vou have an emergency. Actually, on this tlignt, we 
wo"dn'f have chosen Joe Allen's and Joe Allen' < «it, « «« 
nave chosen Bill Lenoir's suit and Bill because problem that 

had with the regulator was a lesser problem. But we ainn c 
JSiSk U was the kind of problem that we should go out with now, 
jul! to meet ^particular test objective. But as fllynn Lunney 
explained, when we announced our decision on Sunday had there 
been that kind of problem, we were fully prepared to sen ^ Bill 
oil to go latch down the payload door and we would have done it 

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with confidence and 1 don't believe we would have been faced with 
a dead crewman. 

PAO One final question from Dryden. 

FRANK ttRF. MO ( LOS ANGELES DAILY NEWS) Do yon still expect flight 
7 to land at Cape Canaveral, or have you delayed? 

ARRAHAMSON We're .still looking at that. There are a whole 

series of points in data that we want to gather in that. The 
most important point is the performance of the new orbiter, the 
Challenger on flight 6. And if everything looks quite qood and 
correlates to the data that we have at this point in time, then 7 
is the most likely opportunity in the near term to qo to 
Kennedy. Rut that's why we're iust not arbitrarily making that 
decision at this point in time. We do want to see to some of 
that data. 

Thank you very much General. 




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